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casper50
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A one off?
      #373890 - 06/02/23 11:55 AM

t has 4 rifle barrels in a half-circle above a 16 gauge shotgun. Calibers from left to right are 9.3x82R, followed by two in 9.1x52R, and finally a 11x74R over the 16 gauge shotgun. Two different rifling methods. The ears in front of the firing pins are the barrel selectors.





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casper50
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Re: A one off? [Re: casper50]
      #373891 - 06/02/23 12:14 PM

Someone sent me this.


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Re: A one off? [Re: casper50]
      #373892 - 06/02/23 12:25 PM

Regulating that thing just HAD to be an exercise in patience?
Very unique piece for sure.
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Re: A one off? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #373896 - 06/02/23 01:21 PM

Did you buy this one?

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casper50
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Re: A one off? [Re: tinker]
      #373898 - 06/02/23 01:53 PM

No. lol Morphy's sold it for $25500

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Re: A one off? [Re: casper50]
      #373900 - 06/02/23 03:51 PM

To identify the owner just look for the hunter with a sway back. That would be an unbalanced lump of a firearm as useless as it looks. A very expensive boat anchor.
The Germans have build some fine guns, unfortunately that all ceased after the M98 and Paul Mauser's death, everything since then has been pretty miserable.


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casper50
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Re: A one off? [Re: eagle27]
      #373901 - 06/02/23 03:58 PM

Wow that's a all encompassing generalization.

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Re: A one off? [Re: casper50]
      #373903 - 06/02/23 06:04 PM

Amazing piece of history.

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Re: A one off? [Re: DarylS]
      #373905 - 06/02/23 10:36 PM

Mechanical artistry & beautiful work, very unique for sure; but boy it must have been a lump to cart around all day!

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Re: A one off? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #373908 - 06/02/23 11:05 PM

Max Ern of Leverkusen, Germany and his family are making some of the finest hunting rifles on the planet

Although the subject gun of this discussion thread is a bit of an awkward piece, I wouldn't use it as a hallmark of German gunmaking

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Re: A one off? [Re: tinker]
      #373909 - 07/02/23 12:07 AM

"Liberated", just another word for "Stolen"

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Re: A one off? [Re: LRF]
      #373918 - 07/02/23 11:22 AM

LRF. That was my thoughts. This gun was stolen from a German museum.

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Re: A one off? [Re: 85lc]
      #373927 - 07/02/23 01:30 PM

I would think that such a weapon would make a lot more sense for use in a "Hochsitz" or elevated stand. In such a situation, the extra weight would be tolerable. Awfully difficult to use, I would think, since with no ejectors, the fired cartridges would still be in place when attempting to load quickly and under poor light conditions the fired cartridges would be hard to distinguish from the unfired ones. For me, a drilling is the ideal walking weapon, and using something of this nature defeats the purpose of a multi-barrelled firearm.

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Re: A one off? [Re: casper50]
      #373937 - 07/02/23 02:37 PM

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Wow that's a all encompassing generalization.




Yes quite a ridiculous ignorant statement IMO.

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Re: A one off? [Re: xausa]
      #373938 - 07/02/23 02:52 PM

I think it is a ridiculous firearm. Way over complicated, with so many barrels and cartridge choices. Did the user get confused which ammo went where?!

I agree a drilling is an excellent idea. Two rifle barrels and a shotgun where the rifle is more called for. Or the more usual two shotgun barrels and a rifle for bird and fur shotgunning and the occasional rifle shot.

My two barrel combination rifle shotguns are fun and useful. But limited by one only of each. A single barrel shotgun is the most limiting.

As for drillings, to me that's the limit. Some do have a small .22 RF or Hornet barrel in between. If it actually shoots to target that is a useful addition.

Btw hochsitz hunting is very different from stalking. The hunter takes a lot longer to decide and shoot. I hunted roedeer in Northumberland and the gamekeeper related how German hunters would come with drillings and shoot the wrong barrel. I took a "hochsitz hunter" out after chital stag here. And he thought he could spend 5 minutes staring at the stag instead of 5 seconds to get a shot off. Was also constantly texting on his phone ... I should have taken his binoculars away and thrown his phone away as far as I could ... I make a great guide!


The displayed Funfling (?) 5 Barrelled gun was a museum piece for a reason. One off. Unusual. Before being stolen by an arsehole.

Hey if we have to give stuff back legally purchased, liberated, stolen from blacks, browns, reds and assorted colours, what about the "white man"!


That gun would make a nice walk decoration and conversation piece only IMO.

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Re: A one off? [Re: NitroX]
      #373940 - 07/02/23 03:24 PM

Here's a link to a very good article on German hunting guns. My post above was a little tongue in cheek however I did spend a year in old West Germany doing a lot of hunting and had several German friends who had all hunted with me here in NZ at various times and who were hunters back in their homeland, some having their own hunting area and others guests of hunting area owners. I had a German hunting licence so could hunt unaccompanied in areas where I was invited to hunt.

Two of my friends were avid collectors of German and Austrian firearms, one a very well off Dentist who often visited Ferlach in Austria where he had bespoke firearms made. I accompanied him on one of these trips and got to visit several of the gunsmiths in residence in Ferlach, do some shooting on the famous shooting range there and then head up country where my friend went for an evening shot for red stag (they were roaring then) and/or chamois.

I shot several roe deer in the Black Forest area of Southern Germany and went out on hunts in the Swabian Alb and in a little village on the outskirts of Stuttgart where another friend's father had the shooting area.

I used firearms in various styles and calibres, my first roe buck with a 6.5x54 MS, my second buck I think was with a 6.5x55 in a Heeren falling block rifle, a cull doe and yearling using the 7x65R under-barrel in a Bochbuchsflinte (12G over/7x65R under) and others I just can't remember now. One was a nice bolt action in 8mm Mauser and I was horrified when opening the bolt to put one up the spout once settle in my allotted hochsitz, to see a magazine full of a variety of different types of 8mm cartridges. Fortunately no roe deer appeared so I didn't have to shoot, who knows whether the rifle was even zeroed properly.

In all the hunting I did and saw there wasn't one instance where I saw any value in lumping round some of the fancy, intricate and sometimes butt ugly guns that were being used, almost all topped off with great heavy scopes mounted high like carry handles. With one exception, the hunters didn't make use of any of the multi barreled guns they carried, all just using the rifle barrel. The exception was a poor shot with a Bochbuchsflinte who used two charges from his shot barrel and two rounds of 22 Hornet from his rifle to finally kill a fox from a hochsitz position.

A basic bolt action 223 with a Leupold scope would have fitted the bill perfectly for everything I shot and saw shot. My main German friend (a forester) with whom I spent most of my time with in Germany immigrated to NZ not long after I returned home. Despite his collection of 'fine' German and Austrian guns, his go to rifle for hunting NZ (real hunting he calls it) is a Steyr Mannlicher plastic stocked Professional Model 7x64. Low mounted scope in genuine Weaver rings on Weaver bases with a single stage trigger.


https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/about-the-guns/gun-types/


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Re: A one off? [Re: eagle27]
      #373943 - 07/02/23 04:14 PM

Eagle,

Yes some unusual gun choices by many in Germany.

As for the Mauser 98. When you have invented the best ever, it's just downhill from there.

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Re: A one off? [Re: eagle27]
      #374003 - 09/02/23 03:56 PM

I'm 75 now and hunted with drillings since I was 12. One day as a kid I took 7 chukar, 15 Valley quail, and a big 4X4 mulie buck, hunting the rugged Limbo Range north of Reno NV. We had a lot of game back then, but a 40+ year drought cycle, big mining, cheat grass proliferation, and now the advent of the ATV/UTV have ended all that.

I still hunt deer with a drilling. I'm happy with a few forest grouse or chukar, and I often see a few when after deer.

A few years ago in Oklahoma I hunted with a good friend from there and shot plenty of Bobwhite quail and a late season whitetail doe. This was the product of an abbreviated late afternoon hunt.

I was using my circa 1955 Sauer LUX drilling in 16/16/6.5X57R with a 6X Hensoldt in claws. I carry the scope off the gun and snap it on for a longer rifle shot. I hunt deer and big game wearing a shotgun vest with a game bag...very handy.



It's this gun:


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Re: A one off? [Re: 85lc]
      #374004 - 09/02/23 04:08 PM

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LRF. That was my thoughts. This gun was stolen from a German museum.




Doesn't bother me one bit. My two uncles had their lives stolen from them by the Germans back then. Some of the guns in museums were "liberated" by ardent Nazis and used to kill allied troops.

Thanks for posting photos of that cumbersome nightmare to regulate gun. Leave it to the Germans to make even hunting overly complicated. I've heard of funflings but this is the first photo of one I've seen.

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Re: A one off? [Re: luv2safari]
      #374009 - 09/02/23 11:39 PM

This particular firearm doesn't interest me. However, My Thieme & Schlegelmilch drilling with a 22LR einstecklauf is my "go to" hunting firearm. As a landowner I'm not encumbered with a lot of meaningless, nonsensical game laws, though Missouri doesn't have many that would preclude me from hunting with a multi-cartridge firearm in the first place. With mine I've taken a deer, squirrels and dove on the same outing....all with open sights. None of my drillings have bases. But, I don't know everything like eagle does. Having hunted the US From Maine to Arizona and Virginia to Wyoming...and 65 years in Missouri, I'm just a rookie.

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Re: A one off? [Re: luv2safari]
      #374011 - 09/02/23 11:51 PM

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LRF. That was my thoughts. This gun was stolen from a German museum.




Doesn't bother me one bit. My two uncles had their lives stolen from them by the Germans back then. Some of the guns in museums were "liberated" by ardent Nazis and used to kill allied troops.






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Re: A one off? [Re: luv2safari]
      #374013 - 10/02/23 12:45 AM

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LRF. That was my thoughts. This gun was stolen from a German museum.




.....My two uncles had their lives stolen from them by the Germans back then.....





Paul says in Romans, ...... Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Do not take revenge..."


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Re: A one off? [Re: LRF]
      #374229 - 18/02/23 11:57 PM

You may call it as you wish, stolen, liberated, whatever. But the fact remains that had a very great number of those firearms NOT been stolen....or liberated, they would have ended up beneath the treads of a Sherman tank or been the makings for a large bonfire. As it is, they are still here for many to enjoy and appreciate. Perhaps those who snatched them from the jaws of destruction should be thanked rather than accused and condemned.

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