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casper50
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rechambered M1910s?
#369466 - 23/09/22 02:16 AM

I've come across two model 1910s this week that aren't chambered in 9.5x57ms. One is in .300 Savage and the other supposed to be in 8mnm Norm. The .300 Savage was "customized" by Engel & Troesch of Boston Massachusetts. I haven't received a reply about the 8mm norm yet. First two photos are of the .300. You can just make out the .300 Savage engraving pen on the left side. The last two photos are of the 8mm Norm.

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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: casper50]
#369469 - 23/09/22 02:50 AM

not so uncommon, some month ago have seen a M 1910 rebarrel for 8x57 here,
must be happen sometimes after the war

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kuduae
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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: lancaster]
#369472 - 23/09/22 04:46 AM

Due to ammo unavailability or preference of non-factory chamberings Mannlicher-Schoenauers were rebarreled quite often, even before WW1. I have seen 1908s in 7x57 and 8x57, 1905s and 1910s in 8x57, 9x57, 9.3x57. Let alone the Holland & Holland conversions to their proprietary .400/375 Belted Nitro Express.

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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: casper50]
#369473 - 23/09/22 05:04 AM

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the other supposed to be in 8mnm Norm. I haven't received a reply about the 8mm norm yet. The last two photos are of the 8mm Norm.

Are you sure the second rifle is a 1910? In the 1930s the Steyr factory sometimes marked rifles for their own cartridges as "Normal". So you may encounter M1903s and M1950s marked "6.5 mm Norm." and 1908s as "8mm Norm." instead of "8x56 M-S".
Apparently the two photos show two different rifles: The first one is without scope mount bases and without rear sight, while the second shows both a "factory" mounted Kahles "Heliavier" scope and a standard M-S rear sight. The front scope mount base on the second rifle obliterates the model designation on the receiver ring, M1908 or M1910.

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casper50
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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: kuduae]
#369477 - 23/09/22 06:31 AM

put up the wrong photo with the first one. Owner says that it's a 1910.

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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: casper50]
#369478 - 23/09/22 06:43 AM

Very nice Casper - thanks for sharing!

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kuduae
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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: 93x64mm]
#369480 - 23/09/22 07:22 AM

As the front base of the snap-on scope mount is dovetailed into the receiver ring at the same spot where the model designation is usually, I suspect it to be a M1908. The current owner merely thinks it to be a M1910. The M1908 came from the factory in 8x56 M-S aka 8mm Norm, while all M1910s were in 9.5x57. Seen from the outside only, like in the photos, Ms 1905, 1908 and 1910s are indistinguishable. Well, M1910s are in higher demand than M1908s.
These snap-on mounts and Kahles Heliavier scopes were offered as factory options in the 1930s. The leg of the rear mount ring is usually marked with the rifle's serial number. Pre-war Mannlicher-Schoenauers still with their original scopes are quite rare.

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Rothhammer1
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Re: rechambered M1910s? [Re: casper50]
#369481 - 23/09/22 09:03 AM

The first one shown, the .300 Savage, has clearly been restocked. It does, however, incorporate the desirable and original 'Special Folding Peep Sight' option as often found on Take Down Models.

'Prewar' MS with Special Folding Peep Sight option.

I agree with the assessments and opinions offered by other members here.

The M1900 and all production 'Y' series MS were originally chambered for the MS proprietary 6.5X54 cartridge, the first four commercial models had model numbers which corresponded to their MS proprietary chamberings:

M1903 - 6.5X54
M1905 - 9X56
M1908 - 8X56
M1910 - 9.5X57

Also, the original M1924 were all chambered for 'The U.S. 1906 Cartridge' (.30-'06) though many were later re engraved (stamped) with the metric designation '7.62X63' to facilitate European sales.

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