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Double rifle manufacturers today ???
      #4802 - 06/11/03 01:59 PM

I am looking for some help. I want a comprehensive listing of double rifle manufacturers in business today.

I am sure on this forum we can build a pretty comprehensive list.

I also think we will be surprised by the number or firms that actually produce them.

Countries:

United Kingdon
Germany & Austria
France & Belgium
Italy
Czech & Russia
Other European?
USA
Other countries?

I can think of a few already. If you can provide any brief details that would also be appreciated eg only make under and overs, small and medium bores only, doubles only made in custom shop by order etc

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4814 - 06/11/03 06:44 PM


This is off the top of my head in 2 minutes. Will have a longer think and re post.

UK
Purdey
Holland & Holland
Westley Richards
W.J. Jeffery
Watson Bros
Dickson
McNaughton

Europe
Francotte
Merkel
Krieghoff

US
Rigby (that hurts !!!)
Searcy


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #4819 - 06/11/03 10:22 PM

Some more from Europe

Zanardini


Blaser


Rizzini


Chapuis


Verney-Carron


LeBeau Courally


Beretta


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #4820 - 06/11/03 10:44 PM

Some more...

Crogswell & Harrison


William Evans


Arrieta (spanish )


Francotte


Peruggini & Visini


Johann Fanzoj


Renato Gamba


Peter Hofer


E.J. Churchill


Charles Lancaster


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: 470Nitro]
      #4822 - 07/11/03 04:44 AM

Marcel Thys....... Belgium



Alexander Henry ...... Scotland



John Wilkes...... England



William Douglas ...... England
Peter V Nelson ...... England
Dumaluin (sp)........ Belgium



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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4828 - 07/11/03 09:46 AM

Dakota is getting into the double rifle game now. Looks like doubles start from $25K.
http://dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Double_Rifle

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: DPhillips]
      #4835 - 07/11/03 02:38 PM

After looking at all those beautiful rifles I hardly think I should post this. Sorry for destroying the mood
Baikal Double rifle

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: HiWall]
      #4836 - 07/11/03 03:06 PM

I sort of like the Pedersoli Kodiak Mk IV Model L890.

Have owned Pedersoli BP Cartridge rifles in the past and enjoyed them a lot - this seems like it would be a reasonable quality entry level double.

Anyone with knowledge/opinions of these as a first double??

Kodiak Double



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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: HiWall]
      #4844 - 09/11/03 07:08 AM

josef just
scheiring
jacob koschat
hambrusch




heym
boss and co...note the o+u start at 130,000 Pommie pounds and the sxsides at 90,000 quid ouch!
john dickson

and the list go`s on mate,try this link for some stuff to make you green

ferlach fine gun fella`s



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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4845 - 09/11/03 07:51 AM

I'm not sure if Martini-Hagn still do, but they did dabble with a double based on Hagn's single shot falling block design a few years back. Not exactly the classic boxlock or sidelock double, but I'm sure it was one well put together and fine performing action. Just thought we could recognize our fine Canadian brethern.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: mickey]
      #4853 - 09/11/03 08:34 PM

Hi Mickey, I have heard of most of the manufacturers but the one which I have not heard of is Peter V Nelson in England. A very small manufacturer perhaps. I did an internet search and came up with nothing. I am currently looking for a double in 470 NE and a small manufacturer may be the way to go.

Do you have an address or any contact details?

Thanks and Regards

Phil

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: Phil_in_the_UK]
      #4860 - 10/11/03 04:19 AM

Peter is a very high end maker of Shotguns and Doubles. I believe he may have been the headgunmmalker at Purdy at one time. He is the designer behind the original Hartmann and Wiess rifles. He is also a direct descent of Lord Nelson of Trafalgar fame.

I think he may only make a couple of shottys and one Double Rifle a year and is quite expensive but worth every penny. Maybe one of the top 2-3 Gunmakers in the world.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: mickey]
      #4861 - 10/11/03 06:25 AM

P.V. Nelson
Folly Meadow
Hammersley Lane
Penn
High Wycombe
Buckinghamshire HP10 8HF
Tel/Fax: (01494) 812836
Member of: Game Conservancy, Countryside Alliance, Gun Trade Association
Gunmaker
Contact Mr P.V. Nelson

Refence to him below and there is quite a bit more on the net regsarding him
http://www.countrylife.co.uk/thefield/abroad2.htm

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4910 - 12/11/03 06:32 PM

OK here is a summary of those suggested so far. Thanks for the great response and also some very enjoyable photos.

UK
* Purdey
* Holland & Holland
* Westley Richards
* W.J. Jeffery
* Watson Bros
* John Dickson
* McNaughton
* E.J. Churchill
* Cogswell & Harrison
* William Evans
* Charles Lancaster (are these currently made?)
* John Wilkes
* Alexander Henry
* Willaim Douglas
* Peter V Nelson
* Boss & Co (UK?)

Italy
* Zanardini
* Rizzini
* Beretta
* Peruggini & Visini
* Renato Gamba
* Pedersoli

France & Belgium
* Francotte
* Chapuis
* Verney-Carron
* LeBeau Courally
* Marcel Thys
* Domoulin (sp? too)
* Harald Wolf (??)

Germany & Austria
* Merkel
* Krieghoff
* Blaser
* Johann Fanzoj
* Peter Hofer
* Josef Just
* Scheiring
* jacob Koschat
* Hambrusch
* Heym
* Fuchs
* Fennerwerk/Valmet/Tikka

Spain
* Arrieta

USA & Canada
* Rigby
* Searcy
* Dakota
* Martini-Hagn
* Winchester (or are these out of production?)

Russia
* Baikal
* IZP (????)

Czech
* CZ (I assume they still do?)

50 malers so far.

Added the double barreled bolt action Fuchs to the list. How could they be forgotten!

Frankonia ??? - I believe made their own doubles or were they sub-contracted? Also Harold Wolf - I believe he was making doubles as well (from memory) or just bolt rifles? Plus the old Valmet 412/Tikka 77K/Fennerwerk with its adjustable barrels in U/O configuration. There is a really ugly but cheap Russian rifle too. Its initials escape me currently - IZP, ???? I'm guessing Winchester & CZ still make doubles - perhaps not Winchester?

Any mistakes that I have made above, please let me know.

Gryphon - I will check out your Ferlach link still. Thanks for that as I knew there were a lot missing from there.

Thanks again for those suggestions. As I thought there would be more than at least I expected. Still more I believe.


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4911 - 12/11/03 10:32 PM


Concerning Verney-Carron and the Double Rifle shown in 470Nitro (06/11/03 10:22 PM) message, this side by side model is not available from Verney-Carron anymore.
However, the over&under Sagittaire NT Double Express is an interesting double rifle with a good quality/price ratio and the availability of 12 gauge, 20 gauge and even .410 aditional barrels that can be fitted on the same receiver. Verney-Carron also propose on its rifles an extraordinary patented sight system, (L'Infaillible Optimum).



More Info : Verney-Carron Web Site


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4912 - 12/11/03 11:19 PM

NitroX
Hope this might be of some use.
I think it's "DUMOULIN".
I don't think Harold Wolfe makes any double rifles however he was knocking up a drilling in 577 NE 577 NE (2 3/4) over a 12 G.
I dont believe Winchester has built any double rifles since the Grand European OU guns which were finished by mid 1980's.
Baikal make a fugly OU rifle that I think is a 1ZH-94 or similar.
Another possible entry could be Ziegenhahn & Sohn as there was an advert in Hatari Times #13.
Also maybe Sarasqueta from Spain??
Zoli?

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4914 - 13/11/03 03:27 AM

If we are going to consider over and unders as Double rifles don't forget Browning with their neat little rifle made on the 20 ga action.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #4999 - 17/11/03 11:40 PM

More info about Dumoulin:
http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com

And Ziegenhahn:
http://www.ziegenhahn.com

Lot of nice doubles and singles.


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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: 4seventy]
      #5000 - 18/11/03 01:44 AM

I'm not sure if Sarrasqueta is still making doubles. I've seen several 375 doubles but all of them was from the sixties. I'll try to know.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #5002 - 18/11/03 03:19 AM

Another couple:

David McKay Brown in Scotland http://www.mckaybrown.com/index.html

Hartmann & Weiss in Hamburg, Germany

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: bpesteve]
      #5003 - 18/11/03 04:17 AM

steve

Welcome to NitroExpress. Some of these other guys are pretty tuned into BigBores and Doubles. We hope to see you here often.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: NitroX]
      #5017 - 18/11/03 03:08 PM

Great Post. Related to this subject: Have an EJ Churchill 450/400 NE SXS Boxlock, SN 41XX, that needs restocking. Does anyone have good photos of this vintage of Double Rifle? The stock on this gun has been completely disfigured by a previous owner's attempt to repair. I have a beautiful piece of the correct wood for new stock and forend. I want this restocking to be vintage correct. Thank you in advance for your help. Best Regards, Wes.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: gaugedrifles]
      #5020 - 18/11/03 04:58 PM

Hey, another wanderer. Welcome. What year was your rifle made? Does it have a cheekpiece? What typ, if any, recoil pad? Pistol grip?

They are all pretty much alike in design. Make sure that you have a stocker who does Doubles. If you change the length or weight too much you may have to have it reregulated.

Colour can also be important. You don't want to end up with one that looks like it was just done. Even if it was.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: mickey]
      #5021 - 18/11/03 08:07 PM

Rifle was made 1929. When I purchased it last year the stock was so modified that one cannot determine if it had a cheekpiece. The previous owner(before me) said he had no information on it because he purchased it an an Estate Auction 3 years previously and the owner previous to him had passed on 2 years before that. He only bought it as an investment and never shot this rifle. It has the typical British red recoil pad and the typical pistol grip with Buff Horn Cap. The stockmaker is very experienced with Double Gun restoration. EJ Churchill Double SXS NE Rifles with Box Lock Action are today pretty rare. Now I am trying to find a photo of something typical to 1929-1930. Any suggestions are much appreciated. The factory has so far not been of any help. Best Regards, Wes.

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Re: Double rifle manufacturers today ??? [Re: mickey]
      #5081 - 21/11/03 02:11 PM

Mick,
I agree with you and Thank you for getting me back on the right tract... The most important criterion for stockmaking is that it properly fit the owner. As a side note: I found out why I have not heard back via Email from the EJ Churchill factory. My message to them just came back to me undelivered. I think it is because of this Norton AntiVirus software on my computer. I turned the Email scanning off. Hopefully, this message to them will get through. Best Regards, Wes.

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