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Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle...
      #212001 - 03/07/12 10:46 PM

Nope, that's not a typo, and this rifle is probably the rarest Boss in the world. Friggin' spectacular.

Check it out:

http://www.dogsanddoubles.com/2012/07/youre-joking-right-a-boss-over-under-double-rifle/

BTW: I haven't been here in a long, long time. Been watching, but not posting.

Thanks for having me back...

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: OWD]
      #212011 - 04/07/12 12:27 AM

Interesting!






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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: tinker]
      #212015 - 04/07/12 01:08 AM

Lovely gun. I have never really bothered myself with O/U rifles however that Boss looks nice.
Sometimes strange rifles appear and Boss is known for their shotguns not rifles.Sometimes we are moved in our way of thinking especially with this kind of gun. Perhaps one day I will get to see a pumpaction Purdey that is out there only to be found by someone ..:LOL

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: rigbymauser]
      #212016 - 04/07/12 01:20 AM

I once went to a game fair with a pal of mine and we went on the Boss stand. My pal looked the part in his Tweed sports jacket and brogues; they probably thought I was his manservant.

The conversation went something like ths:

Pal: I see you still do the over/under rifle.
Boss Man: Yes Sir.
Pal: Does it sell well?
Boss Man: Oh! Yes Sir, we sell at least one a year.


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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: Oldbrit]
      #212019 - 04/07/12 02:52 AM

Thanks for the photo. This is the only Boss double rifle of any kind I have ever seen, even in a photograph. In all the African books and stories and other literature, I have seen no mention of Boss rifles. It's a beautiful piece with the same distinctive look as a Boss O/U shotgun.

The Boss website lists current pricing for S/S double rifles at 99,750 GBP ($156,000) plus VAT (refundable if you export the gun to the US). The starting price for an O/U rifle is 142,000 GBP ($223,000). However, I believe you could order a gun in either configuration and resell it at a gain. You probably couldn't do that with a new Purdey or Holland rifle.


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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: mckinney]
      #212041 - 04/07/12 03:43 PM

check page 266 of The Boss book by Dallas # 6179 built in 1913

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: paradox_]
      #212047 - 04/07/12 06:31 PM

If anyone out there is interested in one of these at a price less than Boss's,I have one in the process of being built at the moment in H&H .375 flanged.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: Oldbrit]
      #212057 - 04/07/12 07:09 PM

Quote:

I once went to a game fair with a pal of mine and we went on the Boss stand. My pal looked the part in his Tweed sports jacket and brogues; they probably thought I was his manservant.

The conversation went something like ths:

Pal: I see you still do the over/under rifle.
Boss Man: Yes Sir.
Pal: Does it sell well?
Boss Man: Oh! Yes Sir, we sell at least one a year.




For some of these high end rifles, really volumes are not high. A case of great brand recognition and name, but not a lot of new ones being turned out.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: NitroX]
      #212058 - 04/07/12 07:12 PM

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You’re joking, right? A Boss Over / Under Double Rifle…
Jul 3rd, 2012 by Gregg
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As I’ve said before, guys call me all the time about doubles. Most of them are looking for info on meat-and-potato, side-by-side shotguns: Parkers, L.C. Smiths, a Fox here and there. But every now and then I get call about something interesting…
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The call I got about this gun was a lot more than interesting: It was un-friggin’-believable. A Boss Over & Under Double Rifle? Please. I thought the caller was joking – until he forwarded me the pics. Then I almost fainted. Stay tuned for more info…
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nick kenney says:
July 3, 2012 at 4:57 pm

There are several pictures of one in the Boss & Co book by
Donald Dallas. The same book also pictures ” a very rare and
unusual O/U combination 20-bore gun and .256 rifle no.7753
built in 1929″. It is described as having a “rounded” action.








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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: NitroX]
      #212059 - 04/07/12 08:11 PM

Call me a curmudgeon, but I don't see that they have exceeded the Merkel 323-E, Merkel's best.



I understand it's a different design entirely. And besides that, the O/U gets short shrift in the rifle circles. Don't think I would want something in the order of $200k in one. However, I assure you that's not a possibility!

OWD, it's good to see you post on NE.com! Don't be so scarce.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: CptCurl]
      #212086 - 05/07/12 06:32 AM

Well... I have looked at the Boss half a dozen times. It is really unique, no doubt about it.
The profile of the upper barrel has nothing to do with the smooth curve you can see in the Merkel.I cannot say anything about engravings. Not one in sight. In my humble opinion, if used by an unknown gunsmith, the design of the method used to attach the scope to the gun would make scream all of you.Maybe the mounting system is not original. Nothing to do compared with a Suhler claw mount.
Next time I want a custom chopper motorcycle, I will ask Rolls Royce to make a project for me. It will also be unique.
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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: herrdoktor]
      #212104 - 05/07/12 10:54 AM

I agree with you herrdoctor, The scope mount is awful. Do you use a quarter to take it off?

The profile appears put together on too large an action. Small, delicate barrels and a 12 Bore action

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: mickey]
      #212113 - 05/07/12 04:39 PM

The barrels are like that to keep the weight down.This action was made as a double rifle action and if you could see the top of it,it has a bissel rising bolt third bite as on a Rigby.You have to remember that when this rifle was made that Boss's had only built under a handful of double rifles and everything was still very experimental.The scope mount does look dreadful but then Boss's were the only people at that time to build an O/U rifle so didn't have the benefit of being able to see how others had done it.
Dont knock it.We all have to start somewhere.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: Pugwash]
      #212143 - 06/07/12 12:58 AM

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The barrels are like that to keep the weight down.This action was made as a double rifle action and if you could see the top of it,it has a bissel rising bolt third bite as on a Rigby.You have to remember that when this rifle was made that Boss's had only built under a handful of double rifles and everything was still very experimental.The scope mount does look dreadful but then Boss's were the only people at that time to build an O/U rifle so didn't have the benefit of being able to see how others had done it.
Dont knock it.We all have to start somewhere.




Boss should have, could have even then, made a more appropriately sized action. This is reminiscent of a lot of older Doubles built on one size fits all actions. Most (not all) 360#2s are built on actions suitable for a 470, even though they end up weighing more than the 470 would.

Boss built smaller actions then and could have easily used one.

Do we know what caliber this is? Maybe a 303?

As for the scope, If it is a pre WWI rifle than the mount was probably added much later when scopes became more popular and efficient. A clumsy job no matter what era.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: mickey]
      #212172 - 06/07/12 11:14 AM

Wonder why it was made as a funeral model?

That scope rig is just unbearable. Strictly industrial. It's a German scope. Why didn't they get the Germans to mount it properly in claws?

Now I notice the little aperture sight. We have a scope stacked on top of a rear aperture that doesn't work as a quick detatch or fold-away.

The rifle is certainly blessed with an abundance of sighting devices.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: CptCurl]
      #212174 - 06/07/12 11:49 AM

The mounts are quick detachable.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: NitroX]
      #212175 - 06/07/12 12:52 PM

I am going to have to find a way to get along without one for now.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: 500grains]
      #212177 - 06/07/12 01:43 PM

I'm surprised anyone is surprised at Boss making double rifles. Isn't that what English bespoke gunmakers do, make whatever the customer requires within their general actioning style? It's as ugly as I expected it would be, having seen their o/u shotguns

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: Paul]
      #212178 - 06/07/12 02:38 PM

Those scope mounts have been made to the same old style which brits have used very long time. It looks like the rear mount in scope is just a hook going behind a screws head on the side of rifles action, like old austrian "Wienna mount". And the fore mount is just a tightenable dovetail joint.
They don´t look as nice as normal claw mounts but brits always used to do things with their own way, especially in older times.

IMHO such a special rifle deserves a little special mounts.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: mickey]
      #212505 - 11/07/12 11:40 AM

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The profile appears put together on too large an action. Small, delicate barrels and a 12 Bore action.



Boss should have, could have even then, made a more appropriately sized action. This is reminiscent of a lot of older Doubles built on one size fits all actions. Most (not all) 360#2s are built on actions suitable for a 470, even though they end up weighing more than the 470 would.

Boss built smaller actions then and could have easily used one.







I'm not so sure that they did use a 12g action for that rifle.
The 12g Boss action appears to be much deeper than the DR action in this photo.



Here is what 1930 Boss 12g actions look like. Take a look at the size of the trigger bow compared to the depth of the frame and compare the 12g to the DR.





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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: 4seventy]
      #212520 - 11/07/12 03:58 PM

Other than the obvious difference I would guess you would need to have some dates on both weapons to see if the guard bows were universal or distinct to different weapons.

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Re: Unbelievable: a Boss O/U Double Rifle... [Re: mickey]
      #212522 - 11/07/12 06:03 PM

I have trouble believing Boss would make a double rifle with those mounts ? best, Mike

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