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Mountain Rifles... a brief history....
      #341613 - 03/06/20 12:16 AM

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/mountain-rifles-a-brief-history/376759

Have followed the author of this story for years..he lives here in Montana.. good guy...

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Ripp]
      #341627 - 03/06/20 02:43 AM

Right at the end:

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but these days lighter “premium” bullets penetrate big game just as deeply as traditional 250-grain bullets but kick less




BS.

Read the article. He goes on and on, but answered the questions right at the beginning ... a kipplauf.


BTW which are taller, the Rockies or the Alps?

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      #341628 - 03/06/20 02:50 AM

A friend had a very lightweight rifle. A pre model 93 Blaser. I forget the model designation.

He had it in .375 H&H Mag and 7 mm Rem Mag. The .375 barrel, rifle, scope and three rounds of ammo in the magazine weighed all of 6 1/4 lbs. It was not pleasant to shoot. Very fast and snappy recoil. I don't know what the 7mm weighed.



By the way, can anyone identify the Blaser model?

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: NitroX]
      #341632 - 03/06/20 04:06 AM

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A friend had a very lightweight rifle. A pre model 93 Blaser. I forget the model designation.

He had it in .375 H&H Mag and 7 mm Rem Mag. The .375 barrel, rifle, scope and three rounds of ammo in the magazine weighed all of 6 1/4 lbs. It was not pleasant to shoot. Very fast and snappy recoil. I don't know what the 7mm weighed.



By the way, can anyone identify the Blaser model?




I have a Lex Webernick RIFLES INC lightweight.. with scope is 6 1/4 lbs..in 280AI --no issue at all in shooting.. would NOT want a lightweight 375H&H.. 7mag is doable but as you state will be snappy..

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: NitroX]
      #341633 - 03/06/20 04:11 AM

Quote:

Right at the end:

Quote:

but these days lighter “premium” bullets penetrate big game just as deeply as traditional 250-grain bullets but kick less




BS.

Read the article. He goes on and on, but answered the questions right at the beginning ... a kipplauf.


BTW which are taller, the Rockies or the Alps?




ALPS..

Monte Rosa
Monte Rosa has an elevation of 4,634 meters (15,203 ft), claiming the title of Switzerland's highest peak. It's located in the eastern part of the Pennine Alps on the border with Italy. The Tour de Mont Rosa is a difficult trek that circles Monte Rosa, crossing through both the Swiss and Italian Alps.

The Rocky Mountains contain the highest peaks in central North America. The range's highest peak is Mount Elbert located in Colorado at 4,401 metres (14,440 ft) above sea level. Mount Robson in British Columbia, at 3,954 metres (12,972 ft), is the highest peak in the Canadian Rockies.

As to bullets, IMHO he has a point when considering a bullet like a Barnes that is super tough and non-expanding.. believe they have superior penetration to bullets of days gone by. BUT, I do feel there is NO substitute for size/weight when hitting big game.. I prefer heavy for caliber bullets when hunting game like elk... Swifts..

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: NitroX]
      #341651 - 03/06/20 04:00 PM

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By the way, can anyone identify the Blaser model?




It's a BLASER SR850/88 a design by Horts Blaser that came after the better SR830.

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      #341653 - 03/06/20 04:26 PM

Thanks mate.

I am surprised the Alps are taller than the Rockies. Everything is bigger and rugged than soft Europe! But I would guess the Rockies in land area are far bigger.

I was surprised when in Peru and standing on a big flat desert like plateau that it was I think higher than anything in the Rockies, at just over 5,000 metres. At about 16,500 feet. The air was certainly thin. Walking on relatively flat ground from the bus and climbing a few stares to a monument was breath taking enough. I'd have trouble climbing up and down slopes hunting at such an altitude.

The guide told us some rubbish about the heights of any mountain in North America. I believe the guide used only the Rockies, and did not include Alaska.

This area in Peru was not snow capped peaks which were across the border, across Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. I think it was. Lake Titicaca and Cusco was elsewhere from this high plateau though.

BACK to mountain rifles. Seeing my admission on my depleted lung capacity, once Olympic athlete level, not any longer, and all of my rifles are fairly heavy. The lightest is probably my Steyr 6.5x54 mm. Not even scoped yet. Nor have I shot it. Waiting for Ozhunter's ammo order to come through. And the other is probably my BLR .308. Funny a lever action as a mountain rifle, but why not. Both are shorter as well.

So for a mountain hunt, I could carry a crappy cut back ex-mil Greek Steyr/Mannlicher.

Or a lever action .308.

Both probably have similar ballistics. I will have to weigh them sometime. And some other rifles.

In terms of cartridge chamberings my Mauser M03 in 8x68S or 6.5x65 is what I would choose. But a heavy rifle.

In an ideal world, I would get a light mountain Kipplauf in such a handy and readily available chambering as 7 mm Super Express vom Hofe!!!

Or if a more British styled single shot, but still lightweight, .300 H&H Mag or Flanged.

I've always liked the idea of a flatter shooting "magnum" velocity cartridge for mountain hunting. Though many experienced people seem to choose medium cartridges such as .308.

A 7x57 might be another choice.

A single shot is easier to make lighter. The barrel can be longer, as the chamber can be positioned further back without a bolt needed to be catered for. And/or the whole rifle can be shorter and more handy. If a magnum sized rifle, a 26 inch barrel can be catered for. As the article indicates, if a break open action, or a takedown by other means, the rifle can be packed in a shorter bag or in a pack.

The down side just one shot at a time. Will focus the mind on a better shot, first shot, everytime. And on a mountain, a second shot might still be possible, if the beast is unaware of where the shot came from, what happened, or stops at some point for a look around.

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: DORLEAC]
      #341654 - 03/06/20 04:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

By the way, can anyone identify the Blaser model?




It's a BLASER SR850/88 a design by Horts Blaser that came after the better SR830.

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Thanks Joel.

I was wondering if you have ever made a specialist lightweight mountain rifle?

If you have an existing gallery and comments on archive, point me to it and I will post it up.

If not, a future project to set your skills to, if a customer orders one! If given free rein, what would you choose, calibre/cartridge chambering, rifle type/action/barrel length, targeted weight etc?

I know you are a mountain hunter for chamois/Isard, and do remember you have a very "non-Joel" rifle with a plastic stock if I remember rightly for that hunting?

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: NitroX]
      #341670 - 04/06/20 12:02 AM

Quote:

Thanks mate.

I am surprised the Alps are taller than the Rockies. Everything is bigger and rugged than soft Europe! But I would guess the Rockies in land area are far bigger.

I was surprised when in Peru and standing on a big flat desert like plateau that it was I think higher than anything in the Rockies, at just over 5,000 metres. At about 16,500 feet. The air was certainly thin. Walking on relatively flat ground from the bus and climbing a few stares to a monument was breath taking enough. I'd have trouble climbing up and down slopes hunting at such an altitude.

The guide told us some rubbish about the heights of any mountain in North America. I believe the guide used only the Rockies, and did not include Alaska.

This area in Peru was not snow capped peaks which were across the border, across Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. I think it was. Lake Titicaca and Cusco was elsewhere from this high plateau though.

BACK to mountain rifles. Seeing my admission on my depleted lung capacity, once Olympic athlete level, not any longer, and all of my rifles are fairly heavy. The lightest is probably my Steyr 6.5x54 mm. Not even scoped yet. Nor have I shot it. Waiting for Ozhunter's ammo order to come through. And the other is probably my BLR .308. Funny a lever action as a mountain rifle, but why not. Both are shorter as well.

So for a mountain hunt, I could carry a crappy cut back ex-mil Greek Steyr/Mannlicher.

Or a lever action .308.

Both probably have similar ballistics. I will have to weigh them sometime. And some other rifles.

In terms of cartridge chamberings my Mauser M03 in 8x68S or 6.5x65 is what I would choose. But a heavy rifle.

In an ideal world, I would get a light mountain Kipplauf in such a handy and readily available chambering as 7 mm Super Express vom Hofe!!!

Or if a more British styled single shot, but still lightweight, .300 H&H Mag or Flanged.

I've always liked the idea of a flatter shooting "magnum" velocity cartridge for mountain hunting. Though many experienced people seem to choose medium cartridges such as .308.

A 7x57 might be another choice.

A single shot is easier to make lighter. The barrel can be longer, as the chamber can be positioned further back without a bolt needed to be catered for. And/or the whole rifle can be shorter and more handy. If a magnum sized rifle, a 26 inch barrel can be catered for. As the article indicates, if a break open action, or a takedown by other means, the rifle can be packed in a shorter bag or in a pack.

The down side just one shot at a time. Will focus the mind on a better shot, first shot, everytime. And on a mountain, a second shot might still be possible, if the beast is unaware of where the shot came from, what happened, or stops at some point for a look around.




In my opinion the Canadian Rockies are some of the most beautiful.. Love the area around Banff .. also Glacier in Montana.. and the ones around Jackson Hole, Wyoming.. all are nice, these just seem more majestic..

Yes, I am not a huge fan of a heavy rifle while hiking around at 12-14,000 feet..where we elk hunt the elevation is reasonably low.. 6500 ft or less.. so not much of an issue really.. my home town is just shy of 5000 ..so not much of a change.. for flatlanders it is an issue when they first arrive.. takes a bit of an adjustment for the body to catch up..

As to caliber--there is nothing wrong with a .308.. have seen many of elk fall to that caliber..the big magnums are not necessary.. but do seem to tip them over a bit easier once the adrenalin gets moving.. and a bit flatter shooting when the shots get to 400 yards and above ..

I am not a fan of a single shot for elk.. all things perfect they will drop to one shot.. but this is hunting, not target shooting so very rare for all the planets to line up correctly..

Just my thoughts..but I am sure someone out there will be offended..

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Ripp]
      #341678 - 04/06/20 02:13 AM

Quote:

I am not a fan of a single shot for elk.. all things perfect they will drop to one shot.. but this is hunting, not target shooting so very rare for all the planets to line up correctly..

Just my thoughts..but I am sure someone out there will be offended..




Yes in an ideal world I do like two barrels.

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      #341679 - 04/06/20 03:35 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I am not a fan of a single shot for elk.. all things perfect they will drop to one shot.. but this is hunting, not target shooting so very rare for all the planets to line up correctly..

Just my thoughts..but I am sure someone out there will be offended..




Yes in an ideal world I do like two barrels.




IN an ideal world, that would be awesome to do.. a double .303 would be perfect...

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      #341692 - 04/06/20 08:26 AM

I know a Curly headed guy who has one of those.

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      #341700 - 04/06/20 08:58 PM

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Thanks Joel.
I was wondering if you have ever made a specialist lightweight mountain rifle?
If you have an existing gallery and comments on archive, point me to it and I will post it up.
If not, a future project to set your skills to, if a customer orders one! If given free rein, what would you choose, calibre/cartridge chambering, rifle type/action/barrel length, targeted weight etc?
I know you are a mountain hunter for chamois/Isard, and do remember you have a very "non-Joel" rifle with a plastic stock if I remember rightly for that hunting?




Dear John,

To put it bluntly, if I had to have only one rifle to hunt everything in the mountains I would choose a .270W.
I used this caliber a lot during fifty-three seasons of mountain hunting.
I started my mountain hunting career in 1966 with a second hand 8x60S 1951 FN Mauser fitted with a Lyman 48 receiver sight before getting the possibility of acquiring a Belgian made Raik Frères 6,5x57 98' that I gave up latter for a M-S NO model cal. 6,5x68 mounted with a 4x32 Hensoldt Diasta.
A few years later I was lucky to find a .270W pre-64 W70 Featherweight that I used for a long time.
The years helping I continued to use practically only .270W rifles, in particular a GK M-S which I re-barreled using a superb match grade 25" tube from MAPF (Manufacture d'Armes des Pyrénées Françaises - UNIQUE - Olympic Gold medal winner).
With this special M-S I killed more than two hundred chamois in our mountains with 130 grains RWS H-Mantel loads.
Of course, I used also many other rifles in various calibers, but almost never of magnum, except a 7RM during a period when, on the same territory, we hunted chamois, mouflon and mountain stag.
As I got older I converted to the smaller calibers.
I built several light chambered prototypes for some wildcats: 6mm-284, 6mm Remington AI and for some special cartridges: 5,6x57RWS, 6mmNorma BR before definitively becoming reasonable by focusing on the 6XC, the 6,5 Creedmoor and the sweet 6,5x55SE.
Now I hunt almost everything with 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5x55SE when stalking and with my .275 Rigby (aka 7x57) in driven hunt.
Of course I prefer classic rifles and nice walnut stocks but it must be recognized that the modern technical rifles using stainless steel, titanium, kevlar and carbon are precious by their resistance, their stability and their low weight when climbing the mountain becomes difficult and weather goes wrong.
Even if it must be shocking for some friends, I really like the Barrett "Fieldcraft" of which I have a 6,5x55SE that has been prepared and modified in our workshop.
We are currently manufacturing two "Light Stalking Rifles", a .270W take-down and another, even lighter chambered for the 6,5x55SE round, the two rifles being built on BRNO ZG47 and mod.21 highly modified actions.

Kind regards.

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      #341701 - 04/06/20 09:30 PM

And we hope you have quite a few more hunting seasons in your favorite part of the Alps Mr D!
Must be still fit getting up & down those monsters.....whew that is STEEP!
Doesn't matter really on the caliber, good placement will get you over the line every time.
Nothing wrong with the old 6.5x55SE either.
Keep up the good work
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      #341702 - 04/06/20 09:37 PM

Quote:

To put it bluntly, if I had to have only one rifle to hunt everything in the mountains I would choose a .270W.
I used this caliber a lot during fifty-three seasons of mountain hunting.




Thanks for the excellent reply. And those beautiful mountain scene photos. Awe inspiring.

The friend who had that Blaser rifle in 7 mm Rem Mag and .375 H&H was a great fan of the .270 Winchester. Used it on everything. Including water buffalo, when he hunted in Africa wanted to use the .270 on lion and cape buffalo. The PH would not let him. Hunted the South Pacific Grand Slam pretty much with the .270 Win.

When I started hunting deer, and bought my second centrefire, the first a .222 Rem 788, the second my Parker Hale .30-06. Almost everyone in the deer hunting club had .270s or .243s. Maybe a 7 mm Rem Mag. My .30-06 was the largest calibre. Years later not a .270 Win in sight, few .243's lots of larger calibres.

As I always say, game isn't any harder to kill today than sixty years ago.


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I started my mountain hunting career in 1966 with a second hand 8x60S 1951 FN Mauser fitted with a Lyman 48 receiver sight before getting the possibility of acquiring a Belgian made Raik Frères 6,5x57 98' that I gave up latter for a M-S NO model cal. 6,5x68 mounted with a 4x32 Hensoldt Diasta.

A few years later I was lucky to find a .270W pre-64 W70 Featherweight that I used for a long time.
The years helping I continued to use practically only .270W rifles, in particular a GK M-S which I re-barreled using a superb match grade 25" tube from MAPF (Manufacture d'Armes des Pyrénées Françaises - UNIQUE - Olympic Gold medal winner).

With this special M-S I killed more than two hundred chamois in our mountains with 130 grains RWS H-Mantel loads.




An impressive number.

Chamois and tahr and similar mountain species are held by some to be the epitome of game and hunting. So an incredible feat.

Quote:

Of course, I used also many other rifles in various calibers, but almost never of magnum, except a 7RM during a period when, on the same territory, we hunted chamois, mouflon and mountain stag.

As I got older I converted to the smaller calibers.
I built several light chambered prototypes for some wildcats: 6mm-284, 6mm Remington AI and for some special cartridges: 5,6x57RWS, 6mmNorma BR before definitively becoming reasonable by focusing on the 6XC, the 6,5 Creedmoor and the sweet 6,5x55SE.

Now I hunt almost everything with 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5x55SE when stalking and with my .275 Rigby (aka 7x57) in driven hunt.




Some lovely choices there, the 6.5x55 and 7x57.

Can't resist, no need for a 6.5 CM if the Swedish King is already owned! Joking of course. A stir to Mr Ripp.

My 6.5x55 Swedish is a M38 or M96 cut back rifle in a synthetic stock. Mil stepped barrel. Still with the mil trigger. Definitely no lightweight. If it was lighter, would make a nice choice. Extremely accurate rifle though.


Quote:

Of course I prefer classic rifles and nice walnut stocks but it must be recognized that the modern technical rifles using stainless steel, titanium, kevlar and carbon are precious by their resistance, their stability and their low weight when climbing the mountain becomes difficult and weather goes wrong.

Even if it must be shocking for some friends, I really like the Barrett "Fieldcraft" of which I have a 6,5x55SE that has been prepared and modified in our workshop.




Of course jokes about plastic stocks. This is "Nitro Express" after all, if it isn't a hundred years old and walnut, it is a bit too new.

Of course plastic stocks can make sense. Featherweight rifles and rifles for climates where it is very wet and rough.

Most plastic stocked rifles today are stocked that way however because it is merely cheaper.

Your walnut stocks are so well super model shaped, plastic would be like fakes on a super model!


Quote:

We are currently manufacturing two "Light Stalking Rifles", a .270W take-down and another, even lighter chambered for the 6,5x55SE round, the two rifles being built on BRNO ZG47 and mod.21 highly modified actions.




Looking forward to hopefully seeing these one day in the future.

As always a good value post by M. Dorleac-Guisset. Thanks for the reply.

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      #341705 - 04/06/20 09:47 PM

Quote:

And we hope you have quite a few more hunting seasons in your favorite part of the Alps Mr D!
Must be still fit getting up & down those monsters.....whew that is STEEP!
Doesn't matter really on the caliber, good placement will get you over the line every time.
Nothing wrong with the old 6.5x55SE either.
Keep up the good work
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Mate, not the Alps.

Just had a look at where Joel is located in France. One day I want to visit. Maybe even commission a rifle. And pre-palnning for the "Never Neve" when I get to Europe again and hopefully France. Thought I had in the past already but ... Perpignan, France is on the Mediterranean Coast just North of the Spanish border. On the coastal foothills of the Pyrenees.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Perpignan
A very lovely part of France, I have not yet visited.

Friends in Barcelona across the border used to claim, the beach in the morning and skiing in the mountains in the afternoon.

Joel has the beach and then chamois in the mountains!

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      #341712 - 04/06/20 11:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:

And we hope you have quite a few more hunting seasons in your favorite part of the Alps Mr D!
Must be still fit getting up & down those monsters.....whew that is STEEP!
Doesn't matter really on the caliber, good placement will get you over the line every time.
Nothing wrong with the old 6.5x55SE either.
Keep up the good work
Cheers
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Mate, not the Alps.

Just had a look at where Joel is located in France. One day I want to visit. Maybe even commission a rifle. And pre-palnning for the "Never Neve" when I get to Europe again and hopefully France. Thought I had in the past already but ... Perpignan, France is on the Mediterranean Coast just North of the Spanish border. On the coastal foothills of the Pyrenees.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Perpignan
A very lovely part of France, I have not yet visited.

Friends in Barcelona across the border used to claim, the beach in the morning and skiing in the mountains in the afternoon.

Joel has the beach and then chamois in the mountains!




My wife and I hunted in those mountains in 2015-- absolutely fantastic trip..one of the best of my life actually..
20151206_142542_resized by A Hoffart, on Flickr


Only thing I would change now is take a 6.5CM if I was to return as its ballistics are so much superior to any other cartridge ever invented..

Kidding of course.. I would continue to use my 280AI.. has never failed..

AS to steep mtns --try hunting in Azerbaijan some time.. have never experienced anything like it ,,,crazy steep...
20160501_174041 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

az by A Hoffart, on Flickr






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      #341716 - 05/06/20 12:22 AM

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My wife and I hunted in those mountains in 2015-- absolutely fantastic trip..one of the best of my life actually.




Seems you got a nice isard [Pyrenean Chamois - Rupicapra Pyreneica].
You are right about the Creedmoor, but the 280AI has done good job !
We live in a fantastic country, we can hunt in Canigou mountain the morning and have a bath in Mediterranean sea afternoon...
I have hunted chamois in many parts of Europe and even if, for sample, Carpathians could be difficult, when you success in our Pyreneans slopes you can hunt anywhere!

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      #341854 - 07/06/20 11:45 AM

G'Day Fella's,

like Joel suggested, I'm presently looking at a .270 Win chambered rifle, as my next light weight Mountain rifle. And there is a very good chance, it will be a factory Kimber, Hunter 84L.
Nothing special but with the injection moulded plastic stock, it will be almost indestructable.
With good 130grn bullets, it will deck anything I may need hunt, down this part of the world.

D'oh!
Homer

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Homer]
      #341860 - 07/06/20 12:56 PM

I expect a good 6.5 would also work, Homer - or the .308's you already have. But then, the allure of a new rifle - yummy!

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: DarylS]
      #341877 - 07/06/20 06:51 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Yes Daryl, it's more to do with getting a new one.
I have only ever owned one .270 Win before, and it was only to get the Tikka M65 long action.
I still have the removed barrel ......... but not the the Tikka rifle (in .338 Win Mag).

I have suggested before, that I would like to build up a Mountain Rifle in 6.5 Rem Mag but for whatever reason, I've never done this ........
Maybe some time in the future, with a full size Lone Peak Arms (LPA), Titanium action, and Carbon wrapped barrel?
I remember now, I have tried to get Two x LPA Titanium actions, from the local importer but they never got back to me, and I managed to forget to follow up on this order.

D'oh!
Homer

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Homer]
      #341884 - 07/06/20 09:45 PM

I went with a factory Kimber mountain ascent in 270WSM. Light durable and accurate. Its what I take to NZ and hiking trips in sambar country.


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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Homer]
      #341889 - 07/06/20 11:21 PM

Quote:

G'Day Fella's,

Yes Daryl, it's more to do with getting a new one.
I have only ever owned one .270 Win before, and it was only to get the Tikka M65 long action.
I still have the removed barrel ......... but not the the Tikka rifle (in .338 Win Mag).

I have suggested before, that I would like to build up a Mountain Rifle in 6.5 Rem Mag but for whatever reason, I've never done this ........
Maybe some time in the future, with a full size Lone Peak Arms (LPA), Titanium action, and Carbon wrapped barrel?
I remember now, I have tried to get Two x LPA Titanium actions, from the local importer but they never got back to me, and I managed to forget to follow up on this order.

D'oh!
Homer




I built a lightweight rifle last year in 28 Nosler..its not as light as my Rifle's Inc. 280AI ..but still reasonably light --with scope about 7.4 lbs.. starting using it on elk and whitetail deer last fall.. incredible caliber for larger long distance game..using heaving for caliber bullets on elk.. 175 gr ..A-Frames..still gettting around 3150fps with those...worked great---used 162gr Hornady eld-x on whitetail.. close shot.. 142 yards.. blew a good size 2" hole out the other side.. not so impressed with the ELD-X on elk.. was told the ELD-M which is their match bullet actually has a thicker jacket.. have not verified if that is true or not..

Rifle has a Trigger-tech trigger, Defiance action, Proof barrel and carbon fiber CA stock..Put a Leupold Vari-X 5 on it, 3-15.. scope tracks well for dialing..

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: 264]
      #341890 - 07/06/20 11:24 PM

Those Kimbers a nice rifles..hear a lot of good about them.. very lightweight and accurate for a factory rifle..

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Re: Mountain Rifles... a brief history.... [Re: Ripp]
      #341915 - 08/06/20 01:56 AM

I envy those of you who can still climb the slopes. Keep it up as long as possible.

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