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New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle
#141191 - 27/08/09 01:13 AM

There has already been a little talk about it so I thought I would share. This is the falling block rifle that H&H is building for me. The photo was taken a good while ago and I expect to have some new photos within the next few days. More to follow.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141201 - 27/08/09 05:30 AM

Grenadier, I saw the action in the white. They have put a very nice piece of timber on that

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#141233 - 27/08/09 06:14 PM

What action is it? It is at least not a Farquharson - but a Dakota or a Hagn?

Nice wood and a beautiful british stock shape.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Fritz]
#141234 - 27/08/09 07:26 PM

So that's what it's like at H&H! I thought they'd have baize-covered workbenches, embroidered with warrant heraldry. Nice rifle, for all that.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Paul]
#141242 - 27/08/09 11:02 PM

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So that's what it's like at H&H! I thought they'd have baize-covered workbenches, embroidered with warrant heraldry. Nice rifle, for all that.

Paul

The binos got me wondering?

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Fritz]
#141249 - 28/08/09 12:52 AM

It is a Hagn type falling block action with a British style safety. The shape and style follow an original H&H falling block rifle that they have at the London showroom. The engraving will also be in the traditional H&H single shot style.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Paul]
#141255 - 28/08/09 01:19 AM

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So that's what it's like at H&H! I thought they'd have baize-covered workbenches, embroidered with warrant heraldry. Nice rifle, for all that.

Paul

That is what it is like everywhere, although I'll warrent that the owner of that bench had a damm good tidy up before the photo's were taken. :-)

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Bramble]
#141258 - 28/08/09 02:12 AM

Grenadier, Nice gun - H&H,sets the standard! If you don't mind me asiking, how much will this rifle set your pocketbook back? Best,
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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: crkennedy1]
#141259 - 28/08/09 03:11 AM

Looks fantastic!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: 500grains]
#141273 - 28/08/09 10:53 AM

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The binos got me wondering?

450, everyone knows you need binos for detail work! How do you think they get such precise wood to metal fit? Sheesh!

Nice piece of wood too. I can't wait to see the finished rifle.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
#141285 - 28/08/09 01:56 PM

Here is a picture of the other side. The wood is best on this side but you can't really see it in the picture. Also, this was taken before the tang was altered. Using the London showroom's original rifle as a guide, the upper tang is getting extended and shaped in the old style. Both this picture and the picture above were taken months ago. I hope to have newer pictures very soon.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
#141293 - 28/08/09 03:42 PM

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The binos got me wondering?

450, everyone knows you need binos for detail work! How do you think they get such precise wood to metal fit? Sheesh!

C'mon...
Everyone knows the binoculars ar truly there because the H&H workshop is directly across the street from St. Mary's Preparatory Academy!
And all along they claimed that they needed natural light to work by!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#141304 - 28/08/09 08:29 PM

Huvius, maybe that's why it takes them so long to make a rifle! All those interruptions.

The wood shown above looks pretty incredible to me, so if that picture doesn't show it well...WOW!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
#141312 - 29/08/09 03:00 AM

Wow ! This will be the most beautiful and stylish falling block rifle I have ever seen. What a beauty ! I am very impressed. Congratulations Grenadier !

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141370 - 31/08/09 02:41 AM

Very nice - H&H are bringing back some of their lovely old designs that they had forgotten about themselves beginning with the Paradox guns which they brought back a few years ago and now a single shot design. Do keep posting more of this pure gun porn as your project progresses at H&H.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
#141381 - 31/08/09 08:59 AM

Grenadier,
That is going to be one exquisitely beautiful rifle. What calibre have you chosen? And yes, please do keep us up to date with photos if you can.
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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: alexbeer]
#141384 - 31/08/09 11:47 AM

Alex -

It is chambered for the .300 H&H Magnum cartridge.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141389 - 31/08/09 03:21 PM

Beautiful rifle in a classic cartridge. Grenadier, can you take us (me) through the whole process of ordering a gun like this please? Also, are they extending the top strap over the nose of the comb?
Cheers, Chris

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Rockdoc]
#141394 - 31/08/09 04:38 PM

Chris,

I know of two ways to purchase a rifle from Holland & Holland - either purchase a new rifle "off the rack" or have one made to your specifications.

My rifle is the first new single shot made so there aren't any other new single shots ready to buy in the showroom yet.

To get a rifle made to order, the process is relatively straight forward. You contact Holland & Holland and say that you are considering ordering a new single shot. They will discuss the various options, make recommendations if you desire, and work up a quote. When I ordered mine I had various choices about barrel, sights, finish, engraving, etc. You also get the stock made to your measurements. As expected, price will vary depending upon the options and refinements you choose.

Regarding your question about the top tang, I was given the opportunity to order the rifle with a top strap that would go over the comb of the stock. I didn't request it because my rifle is a .300 and it isn't needed. Their larger actions may have that feature as standard but please confirm that with H&H.

To the best of my knowledge, the most informed person to speak to regarding ordering the new single shot is Guy Davies at the New York Gunroom. H&H New York Gunroom

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141550 - 04/09/09 11:17 AM

I just received some updated pictures.

Here is a picture of the tang modified to the old H&H falling block style:

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This is the right side of the buttstock:

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This is a full view:

Edited by NitroX (17/08/10 02:20 AM)

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141552 - 04/09/09 11:26 AM

Very nice indeed.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: crkennedy1]
#141607 - 05/09/09 05:04 PM

Christopher,

You asked: "... how much ...?"

H&H quoted a "standard" price and a "deluxe" price with pricing similar to that of their bolt action rifles. The options I ordered necessitated the deluxe category. Among the bigger options I requested were the long style H&H spearpoint sight blocks, deluxe wood (one step up from standard), and deluxe engraving.

I specified many features. I went to London to pick out the wood and received a fitting for stock measurements. I asked them to copy the stock shape of an old rifle they had. I specified the type of safety. I chose the sights and scope mounts. I chose the recoil pad, type of sling eye, grip cap, finish, and more. I even asked for a barrel length that would make it balance a certain way and they diligently worked that out by trial and error. It will be a "bespoke" gun in every sense.

I consider the pricing a realistic reflection of many man-hours by skilled hands to create a high quality firearm of individual manufacture.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141610 - 05/09/09 06:47 PM

Mate,

Nitpicking but: I'd have reservations abt the profile of the tang safety particularly on the return and the minor amendments to what are apparent generic Talley scope rings. (cost vs inherent value)

BTW nice wood. (Turk, Oz or hybrid?)

Open for discussion.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#141615 - 06/09/09 12:45 AM

kamilaroi,

I had the option of nearly any kind of scope mounting system available and the price of the mounts and rings was dependent upon the system I chose. I considered several, including claw mounts, EAW type swing mounts, and the Holland & Holland mounts. I have the H&H quick detachable system on another single shot and, in my opinion, it is the strongest and best. I will carry this rifle more often without a scope than with a scope and I wanted to maintain the cleanest possible profile when the scope is removed. I went with the system you see because it leaves nothing behind when detached.

Regarding the safety, I had considered requesting it modified to the shape of the old specimen rifle. But I had a chance to handle the action and found the current safety provided a solid purchase against my thumb. I didn't want to change a good thing and to me the difference in the shape of the safeties is subtle.

The rifle is made to order. Holland & Holland was very attentive to my tastes and priorities.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141632 - 06/09/09 08:16 AM

Congratulations on what I am sure will be a fine rifle. Your post answered my only query - the scope appears mounted very high, but if it will be mostly carried without scope, then I assume the stock fit is primarily for the iron sights. Lovely wood. Look forward to seeing the finished article and engraving!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
#141634 - 06/09/09 08:47 AM

Grenadier,

Good info and I admit to Talleys and EAW swingmounts on some of my bangsticks. I'll post a few snaps when I'm able.

I like your closing comment "H&H is very attentive to my tastes and priorities".

And so they should be. (smile)

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#141670 - 07/09/09 12:48 AM

Excellent caliber and very beautiful rifle! What kind of engraving are you going for?

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: DandyofPunjab]
#141671 - 07/09/09 01:45 AM

Dandy,

Something like this:

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141694 - 07/09/09 06:24 PM

Gracefully refined

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: DandyofPunjab]
#141696 - 07/09/09 09:03 PM

^^ and straight out of Wally's cover shot.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#141704 - 08/09/09 12:46 AM

That's the pattern on several of the H&H falling block rifles, including the one in the London showroom.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#141712 - 08/09/09 04:31 AM

I think F.C Selous had a.303 Holland & Holland Farquharson single shot,IMO he would have had same kind of engraving

Here is a picture of him with his rifle

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: DandyofPunjab]
#141846 - 10/09/09 11:23 PM

the 2 vintage rifles shown are on the very rare 1894 Holland/Woodward patent....they are not farqs. I currently am building up a custom rifle in .375 flanged magnum on a 1894 action. I own an original Holland falling block on a PD farq action in .30 super rimmed, hard to beat the .30 super for mid-sized game. I am going to have my action that I am currently building engraved in a Holland house pattern also. I'm glad to see that H&H is building a new single shot rifle....it looks great!
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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: bouldersmith]
#141893 - 11/09/09 11:14 PM

Bouldersmith,

Thank you for the insight on Holland/Woodward patent

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: DandyofPunjab]
#149641 - 06/01/10 06:09 PM

Grenadier

Any update on this beautiful rifle?

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Orvar]
#150728 - 15/01/10 02:41 PM

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Grenadier

Any update on this beautiful rifle?

It is crossing the Atlantic at this moment.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#150979 - 18/01/10 02:41 AM

Please keep us updated. It's my dream to order a rifle from H&H and this is as much of the inside process as I've ever seen.

Your rifle is splendid. Heartiest congratulations. Will it be fully cased with accessories?

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Squarebridge]
#151006 - 18/01/10 09:30 AM

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Will it be fully cased with accessories?

No. I already have "cased" guns and the cases, though beautiful, are not very practicable. I end up taking the guns out of the cases both for storage and travel. The only time the guns go in leather cases is for display and I don't run a museum. So, I end up with a lot of cases sitting around. This time I decided enough is enough, no fancy case. It will only come with a basic travel case.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Squarebridge]
#151007 - 18/01/10 09:39 AM

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It's my dream to order a rifle from H&H and this is as much of the inside process as I've ever seen.

Hold on to that dream. In 1985 I wrote Holland & Holland of London a letter to inquire about ordering a basic .375 bolt action rifle. They sent me a very nice letter informing me of options and pricing. I had to hold off the purchase for a while. Eventually, I bought a second-hand version of that rifle a few years ago. Now, I have a bespoke .300 single shot to go with it.

I often catch myself saying, "Anything worth having is worth waiting for".

By the way, I still have that old letter.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#151389 - 22/01/10 03:29 AM

Quel surprise!

H&H knew I was going to be at the SCI Convention and Mr. Guy Davies brought the gun from New York to surprise me. It's here at the show and I am allowing H&H to display it. If you are attending SCI then you can go by the H&H booth to look at the rifle. Meanwhile, I will be photographing the rifle and I'll try to get some "first look" pictures posted.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#166331 - 17/08/10 03:57 AM

What a great project. Lovely rifle.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#169688 - 16/10/10 02:56 PM

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Mate,

Nitpicking but: I'd have reservations abt the profile of the tang safety particularly on the return and the minor amendments to what are apparent generic Talley scope rings. (cost vs inherent value)

BTW nice wood. (Turk, Oz or hybrid?)

Open for discussion.

Absolutely a stunning rifle you are having built. I'd be happy and use it without hesitation. Can't fault a single thing about it.

When I spec'd the small actioned Hagn actioned rifle I'm having built, I did prefer the wheel safety over the sliding tang because of the noise, but other than that, absolutely a stunning rifle. May you have many years of enjoyment and exceptional trophies fall to this instrument.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: DPhillips]
#169690 - 16/10/10 03:11 PM

Very nice, indeed. Any photos of the finished product, yet?

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Ben]
#169699 - 16/10/10 08:45 PM

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Very nice, indeed. Any photos of the finished product, yet?

There are more pictures here including one that gives a close look at the safety that DPhillips
was talking about: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=151399&page=0

Edited by CptCurl (16/10/10 10:33 PM)

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#170180 - 24/10/10 10:01 PM

Seems no one has commented on this gorgeous work of art of late and I wanted to pay respects to the chef as well as the cooks in the kitchen! Great list of quality ingredients and excellent choice for using a classic recipe!

Seriously, seeing the pics of this rifle gives me greater confidence in H&H. Hopefully clients like yourself will help erase the memory of some of the rifles specified and delivered in the 70s and 80s!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: A10ACN]
#170181 - 24/10/10 10:40 PM

Who did the colour case work, St Ledger? (but I have been out of the loop for a while)

Very flash stuff esp the timber!

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#170188 - 25/10/10 12:28 AM

I´ll wager $200 St Ledger, he does most of their case hardening. Interested in that quote earlier about stuff they were sending out in the 70´s and 80´s, what was up ? I saw the rifle above in the white...was nice then ! Stunning now, best, Mike

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#170191 - 25/10/10 01:03 AM

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Very nice, indeed. Any photos of the finished product, yet?

There are more pictures here including one that gives a close look at the safety that DPhillips
was talking about: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=151399&page=0

Oh, I say....

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: HuntingSchneider]
#170275 - 26/10/10 03:42 AM

Lovely gun, and nice to see they have done away with using that horrid Ruger action.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: ]
#170282 - 26/10/10 05:31 AM

We´ll have to see how mine turns out General, getting towards the engraving stage now. I didn´t know Holland ever made a single shot on the Ruger action ? best, mike

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#170284 - 26/10/10 05:58 AM

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We´ll have to see how mine turns out General, getting towards the engraving stage now. I didn´t know Holland ever made a single shot on the Ruger action ? best, mike

I'm sure it will be stunning Mike. H&H never offered per-say as a catalog gun, but when customers wanted a single shot they were generally made on a Ruger #1 action platform. Now they have switched to the Hagn which was an excellent move. Still, the Ruger actioned H&H guns have gone for big money in the past. though not many exist.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: ]
#170293 - 26/10/10 07:50 AM

I have never heard of one ! I thought the last single shot they made was in the thirties ! Must research that a bit. Learn something new every day. What is happening with the Martini Hagn action, I hear they have gone separate ways ?, best, Mike

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#170300 - 26/10/10 10:14 AM

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I have never heard of one ! I thought the last single shot they made was in the thirties ! Must research that a bit. Learn something new every day. What is happening with the Martini Hagn action, I hear they have gone separate ways ?, best, Mike

As you know H&H is a bespoke maker, so come with money and they will make it.

Ralf Martini has indeed separated from his long time partner Martin Hagn I believe in 2007, they both however still produce guns made to order. Ralf was Martins apprentice, not sure why they split. In my view the best single shot action next to an original Fraser 1880 or George Gibbs Farquharson is also a favorite of mine.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: ]
#170317 - 26/10/10 05:57 PM

General, was in NY a couple of weeks ago for a meeting, visited Holland place, my word they have a pair of cased Howdahs in there you should see, I´d have them in a moment but unfortunately not for sale

best, Mike

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#170321 - 26/10/10 10:39 PM

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I didn´t know Holland ever made a single shot on the Ruger action ? best, mike

Mike - I had an H&H single shot built on a Ruger action. It was chambered in 7mm Mag, had long sight blocks, the H&H detachable scope mounts, nice wood, and engraving by Lynton McKenzie. There was no name anywhere on the action, not Holland's, not Ruger's. I don't remember the exact verbiage but the barrel was marked with something like, "Barreled, Stocked, Sighted, and Finished by Holland & Holland". What does that leave? It was the best rifle I have ever seen built on the No. 1 action. It was a nice looking rifle that was well executed but the stock fit was all wrong for me. After I had it a while and shot it a bit I decided that it wasn't quite what I wanted. So, I ordered the new single shot. The new rifle is in a different class.

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#170329 - 27/10/10 02:16 AM

Grenadier, nice looking rifle, can I ask you what it cost ? PM me if you prefer,
best, Mike

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#170370 - 27/10/10 11:02 AM

I think they were talking abt the same as a bolt gun at the time (1985?)

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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
#171814 - 21/11/10 01:35 PM

Grenadier,
Thank you, with Christmas right around the corner I have revised my list- I know what to ask for now! Beautiful concept and there has always been high praise for the Hagn. It has been a mystery to me why the London makers are not offering any Farqharson patterns? At this time the only completely finished Farqharsons I know of are coming out of Michigan (Ballard) and Soroka (New Zealand). Seems to me it is high time they make such an effort. In regard to the state of the Holland and Holland workbench, I find it as it should be, the best work comes from a cluttered and scared wooden bench- in this state there is never any question that work has been done there! But I digress, enjoy your work of art!
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Re: New Holland & Holland Single Shot Rifle [Re: Grenadier]
#175037 - 07/02/11 02:33 PM

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Very nice, indeed. Any photos of the finished product, yet?

There are more pictures here including one that gives a close look at the safety that DPhillips
was talking about: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=151399&page=0

Damn that guns is nice!

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