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Sweet Rifle!


Do you mean to say that your roundball are .030" (30/1000") under size compared to the groove diameter?
Was that roundball or a conical?





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Tinker

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With the listed weight the bullet has to be a conical. You might want to try a roundball sized at or slightly larger than groove diameter. What black powders are available to you?

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If the bore is .793", what is the groove diameter?




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I agree with you on the "one step at a time" approach to fiddling with the load.
Getting the bullets to fit properly is a very good place to start - that's so long as you're getting good ignition, which you say isn't a problem.

That 60gr Blue Dot should give similar energy to about an 8-1/2 dram load.
Is that what you're looking to do?

Black powder is the easiest to ignite.
Pretty much anything will light black powder.
If your primers are setting the Blue Dot off, good for you!





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RM,
If you believe your gun to be a 10 drammer 60gr or Bluedot is light but increase with caution. I use 60gr in my 8 dram guns

Raff,
I am also located in SoCal and shoot at West End.

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I'm listening!

RigbyMauser-

Have you checked for movement of the bullet in the second barrel cartridge after firing the first?
Just curious -- those point-crimps are Victorian-Cool!

We need a U-Tube update of your shooting exploits with that 10-bore.
Get cracking!








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rigbymauser
That is a really nice crimp set up you made.
To answer your question; I measured the twist in my 10 bore
when I got it in 1998, but I cannot find the notes. It is
1 in 66" if I remember correctly. It will shoot the 900 gr.
short conical but works better with the round ball. I may
have to load up the conicals again so I have an excuse to
copy your crimper.
How much does your rifle weigh?
Thanks
Raff

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The rifle weighs 14 1/2 Ibs.

Your ought to be able to stabillize a 10bore paradox bullets. These paradoxbullets are almost dragstabillized a la an airrifle pellet. They don`t require much spin to fly stable.
Any machinest/ fitter & turner, good & bad should be able to make up one.

Conclusion in all this: The more I get to shoot and make cartridges for these type of guns, the more interesting they become. I would love a smallbore hammerless nitrodouble in the .450-465cal range, but the british borerifle in the 12-10-8-4 cals gives most ka-boom + they were really made up from the perhaps the most glorious period of the british empire, as regarding from a hunting/historical point.

Tinker: I have thought of paperpatching. I have two bulletmolds in .775cal I have no use of. I could have a machinest to turn them up to a .785cal, then cottenfiber paper for rest. It has crossed my mind to contact Dave Gullo @ Buffalo Arms, Idaho for paper.
I have bought most books on the market regarding paperpatching...Hit me..

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...from the perhaps the most glorious period of the british empire, as regarding from a hunting/historical point.

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I'm sure you've seen my notes on the 20-bore Purdey and the 16-bore Mahillon (and other) pinfire rifles.
The Purdey was built for the Prince of Leiningen and the more I dig on the Mahillon the more it looks like it was built for Otto Von Bismark -- the rifles must have hunted together at some time back then, and the Prince of Leiningen was the top host of hunting drives for the aristocracy.
Very cool stuff indeed!!
The work of getting one of these things up and running properly is so much more than simply turning some fancy tubes and punches out on a lathe - it takes a keen listening and interest in 'the way things were' in the 19th century as well as a tremendous respect for the fine old rifles and their existing (and enduring) condition.

The rewards are sweet for sure!





Cheers
Tinker

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I'm sure you've seen my notes on the 20-bore Purdey and the 16-bore Mahillon (and other) pinfire rifles.
The Purdey was built for the Prince of Leiningen and the more I dig on the Mahillon the more it looks like it was built for Otto Von Bismark -- the rifles must have hunted together at some time back then, and the Prince of Leiningen was the top host of hunting drives for the aristocracy.
Very cool stuff indeed!!
The work of getting one of these things up and running properly is so much more than simply turning some fancy tubes and punches out on a lathe - it takes a keen listening and interest in 'the way things were' in the 19th century as well as a tremendous respect for the fine old rifles and their existing (and enduring) condition.

The rewards are sweet for sure!





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Tinker

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Yes Tinker.
I have noticed your interest in pinfires doubles

These guns of yours requires a true dedicated soul. One must have not only an special interest in that type of guns , but also a special interest in that particular history.
I have enjoyed your posting..educating to me.

Merry x-mas

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I have enjoyed your posting..educating to me.

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Merry X-Mas to you too!

The process has been quite an education for me too!
I've learned quite a few things about the guns and NOT about the guns too.
The roots of my interest had always been to see the early 'top shelf' exercise of fine-art technology from the industrial revolution.

Watches and currency production never really turned my screws, but fine rifles always did - furthermore, I see the hand-build rifles of the aristocracy to be the top of the fine art technology food chain.
After all, they're the highest expression of the metalworking craft - the only objects which protected the keep of everything below them!

To ice the cake, I get to exercise my craft while in the study of 19th century history and technology - then get out in the field with the bounty of my work and hunt with it!!





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RM,
If you believe your gun to be a 10 drammer 60gr or Bluedot is light but increase with caution. I use 60gr in my 8 dram guns

Raff,
I am also located in SoCal and shoot at West End.

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The barrels are marked "8-10 drams". I know using the BlueDot has to a be delicate matter. .1/2grain only in increasements. Using 10 drams of Swiss 1.5 gives me 1745 Ft/sec with a tephlon wrapped 900 grain bullet.
What kind of 10bore is your gun? Rifling etc?

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Rm,
I have a couple of 10 bore pdxes a 6 dram gun true 10 .775 and a couple of 8 dram guns .805 (9bores)
The 8 dram guns regulate with 220grs ffg Swiss and a 925gr bullet and the 6 dram gun shoots center high to point of aim with either Bluedot 45grs or 180grs Swiss ffg and an 825gr bullet. The Bluedot loads are useable but the bp loads shoot spot on in the 8 dram. The 6 dram gun weighs 12lbs the 8 dram 13lbs +/- an once or two. I think 14 or 15lbs for a fully rifled 10 bore gun is about right weight wise.

Raff,
West End would be a bit of a drive for you but I don't think its 75m. It is a gated private facility its not the public facility further into the canyon that carries somewhat of a bad rep.

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...your rifle has 3 1/4" chambers,
shoots a 10d load and weighs 1 lb less than mine which has
shorter chambers and is for a lighter load. I have carried
my 15 1/2lb around for hours stalking pigs in the brush
and it gets real heavy after the first hour. Do you have
any hunting with yours planned?
Good luck
Raff

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hey Raff.

I have arrangements already of shooting pigs in Sweden.

I am pretty settld with the 10bore @ 14.5 Ibs. It doesn`t get bulky, and heavy.
The 10 is, I think, very proporsionate.
An 17Ibs 8bore would be something test of manhood. I haven`t tried yet..but I can imagine its heavy for carrying all day in a "ready position" with barrels pointing foreward...hahaha.

I have looked at Westley Richards homepage, and I really like their boxlock actioned double.
One when ordering( one day) their .577 3 1/4,", I´ll adapt some of the features I have on my 10. Full length filecutted barrelrips, 6" forend with leverlatch + the stock measurements. Sights must be alike aswell.. weighing no more than 13.5 Ibs.





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RM-



As things go though -- now that Jno Rigby's back in business if I were going for a Brit-built rifle I'd just call one of the geeks at JR and have them set me up with 'The Goods'
That's especially true ever since I've heard that they're going to show a snap-action some time in the coming year or so.
That would definitely be the cat's ass for a 'salute' big-bore cartridge rifle build.





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The new Rigby`s London certainly has a priority too. I still don`t own a good fitted shotgun..I have an old Stevens SS hammergun in 16gauge..thats about it
A paradox in 12bore 3" chambers could be an option too....Lets see what times bring.
I think Mark at Rigby`s mentioned to me, that he had bought a lot of these hammeractioned, jones underlever recievers. I have thought of having a .303 made up as a copy to my 10.

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Beautiful - absolutely beautifully done - THAT's a rifle I could hunt with & use for everything I'll ever hunt - for the rest of my hunting life.

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