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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: choppa]
#155420 - 04/03/10 01:23 AM

Choppa,did you submit your application before the change over to Australia Post applications???????????????????????

Al

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 010166]
#155421 - 04/03/10 01:27 AM

010166 Bill,was your application submitted before the change over to Aust Post Applications ????????????????????????
Al

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010166
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#155447 - 04/03/10 09:32 AM

Yes Al, I did get mine just before Australia Post took over. Do you think that maybe things are held up with Australia Post doing it now? A mate of mine is still waiting for two large cals he has put in for, and his was done with Australia Post just after they started doing them, I think. He has a good letter etc, and went to a lot of trouble to prove his point.

I really do hope the firearms branch are not being arseholes at the moment, as it is hard enough to get firearms here as it is.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 010166]
#155466 - 04/03/10 02:24 PM

Since the change over ,I dont know of any dealer that has completed a transaction on a firearm over 308 calibre.
So I believe they are being difficult.
Al

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Empire375
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#155471 - 04/03/10 03:30 PM

I dont understand. Does Australia Post handle applications in WA ?

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: handsomerob]
#155484 - 04/03/10 05:48 PM

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it upsets me that i have so much trouble with a simple single shot bolt action rifle, yet am allowed to get a pump action 30 06 with little problem.

The original story was that they were looking at pump action centrefires as well so I wouldn't be using that as a justification. ie at the Tassie meeting of the various state police services.

But I have not heard any more about the pump action threat.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#155504 - 05/03/10 12:18 AM

Yes Australia Post handle our firearms applications.
Go figure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.eletter.com.au/apply/wapolfirearms/

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservices/Firearms/tabid/1616/Default.aspx

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mauserand9mm
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#155552 - 05/03/10 02:19 PM

Australia Post just receive the applications and the payment and pass them onto Weapons Licencing Branch. This is similar to paying utility bills there, in a way.

I think it is a good idea - the police (WA and QLD - only two states I've liven in, so far, and ignoring the other two states - drunk and sober

) have rules about receiving cash - they have to receive the exact amount for the application since they do not operate a till and can't provide change. It also saves them time by having this done by another agency.

I can't help but feel slightly guilty about taking up the QLD police time when I apply for a PTA - there's usually some other member of the public at the counter trying to sort out a more serious issue. Mind you I've never had problems with the police when doing this - we both know it's the result of cumbersome system in need of overhaul. I think the WA approach leads the way.

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Empire375
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: mauserand9mm]
#155562 - 05/03/10 03:52 PM

I guess it could work. I'm in Melbourne though and that means I would need to be able to go into my local Post Offices and speak English. That may be a problem
I'm applying for a permit soon so I guess I'll find out what happens down here these days. I thought it was done over the internet by the gun dealer but I'm not for certain.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: mauserand9mm]
#155637 - 06/03/10 01:17 PM

Mauser9mm,you might think its a good idea untill you wait 5 months and still dont get a response either way.
One local dealer pre sold about 100 firearms and at last count only about a dozen have received approval.
He is carrying the cost of those firearms untill approved,so naturally the wholesalers want there money ,dealer cant pay till firearms approved and paid for,wholesaler cuts of credit,dealer closes down or borrows money to keep trading.

Who wins,THE GOVERNMENT BY SHUTTING DOWN DEALERS.

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Paul
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#155789 - 09/03/10 12:01 AM

This sounds a bit like RSA, where even a legitimate PH is lucky to get a new rifle to protect his clients.

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mauserand9mm
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Paul]
#155848 - 09/03/10 02:19 PM

5 months!!! That's crook! Where is the hold-up?

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: mauserand9mm]
#155902 - 09/03/10 09:22 PM

Sorry about the delayed response Alan, yes I did slip it in before the change.

Chris

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: choppa]
#155927 - 09/03/10 11:56 PM

Like I said earlier,red tape,politics and calibres over 308.

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NitroX
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#155975 - 10/03/10 02:57 PM

While on this subject, see this thread if you are a South Australian voter.

SA Shooters Party info and docs for the election

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#156035 - 11/03/10 03:49 AM

Letter from SAPOL claiming there is NO GUN BAN.

Yeah right, no ban, but just make it impossible to own certain rifles. Semantics. Still an effective ban.

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SAPOL Letter Large Cal firearms

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9dot3x74R
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#156057 - 11/03/10 07:45 AM

An interesting letter.

What ballistic performance does the "safety template" for most ranges assume? is it based on trajectory, or remaining energy within the template, or something else, like the whim of the authorities?

I'd be thinking some huge volume for calibre varmint cartridges may be a problem.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#156099 - 11/03/10 02:07 PM

I have been reading these posts and pray for the Australian (and Canadian) gunowners. Support the Shooters Party. I also pray that we can survive the next three years with the Kenyan.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: tarawa]
#156692 - 17/03/10 12:20 AM

Well the decision was made today that there was no reason to refuse my mate his license for his Heym 470 double.
And certain members of the police department will have a black mark against them and egg all over there face.
That includes district superintendants or one in particular!!!!!!!!

Foot note:- state police in Aussie are trying to get the attorney general to ban 338LM and 50 cal.

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010166
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#157992 - 01/04/10 09:03 AM

A mate has now received his approval for a .338 win mag & a .416 rem mag in WA. The hold up was the Australia Post issue. He had rang the firearms branch and was told there is a huge back log. This is not acceptable. Many gun shops in WA must be feeling the pinch having thier business restricted by the WA Government, this must be close to criminal. If I owned a gunshop in WA I would be making a hell of a lot of noise about this.

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Francis
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 010166]
#158351 - 06/04/10 07:35 PM

Hello all,

This is the first I have heard of a push to ban large calibre rifles. I have not seen any mention in the Australian Shooter magazine or the ADA deer magazine. Has anyone seen anything in the papers? They are usually pretty quick to jump on anything anti gun.

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choppa
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Francis]
#158353 - 06/04/10 08:26 PM

This whole new system is a massive shitfight, It would have to be a very special rifle for me to go through the paperwork to purchase, it makes me wonder if they will see the light and scrap this new system in its entirety and reintroduce something similar to the old system, which wasnt perfect but you knew where you stood at least.
If my wife and I could make the money we make here in WA on the east coast we would be back in Vic in a heartbeat.

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NitroX
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Francis]
#158404 - 07/04/10 01:28 PM

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Hello all,

This is the first I have heard of a push to ban large calibre rifles. I have not seen any mention in the Australian Shooter magazine or the ADA deer magazine. Has anyone seen anything in the papers? They are usually pretty quick to jump on anything anti gun.

There is a push within the WA and SA Police Firearms Sections to effectively "ban" a list of long range medium and big bore chamberings in rifles. Chamberings such as the .338 Lapua, Cheytacs, .460 Steyr etc.

Possibly could get expanded to virtually everything over and including such .338.

Well if not expanded to those right now, they will try it "tomorrow" anyway.

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9dot3x74R
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#158783 - 12/04/10 11:15 AM

I just had an interesting telephone conversation with a lady from the Firearms division of Tasmania Police.

I'm wanting to import a few empty brass cases from Jamisons and I was looking for a B709A, I sent in the application and after a followup phone call all was ok. But then..... they decided not to allow it because "legislation is on the way in", and "the ballistics person looked at the cartridge and decided to reject it because it could be used on Elephants".

I kid you not.

Anyway, I am now awaiting a telephone call from a superior so I can find out what the f**k is going on.

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Empire375
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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#158799 - 12/04/10 05:36 PM

I dont understand. Do you have to apply to import ammo/cases in Tasmania ? I'm in Victoria and I just get it shipped over - No applications or permits at all

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