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Hello 93x64mm,

Thanks for the reply.

This one has moved to the top of the list as being my favorite "Classic" Big Bore Double Rifle.

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Now this is one cartridge I haven't heard much about, it will be an interesting read when you get this one going!

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475No2 that is a big cased cartridge...real cigarclass cartridge.

Very interesting rifle, looks like it have been on a few adventures.

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Now this is one cartridge I haven't heard much about, it will be an interesting read when you get this one going!

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For a shotgun signed Verney – Carron a Liege see here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20t%20w/a%20verney%20caron%20gb.htm
In the 1920s V-C, St. Etienne, France, had guns made by the Liege guntrade. These guns they retailed under their own name, a practice common among European gunmakers. Even some "name" British guns were actually made in Liege, merely finished and proofed in England.

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iirc, we had this verney carron problem here before and this was first and foremost one of the biggger trader that sold guns under his own name. made in liege for sure but I dont know how close they were to the maker.

a good double rifle you can be proud

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Nice rifle! Kirby at Vintage doubles is a nice gentleman to work with. I bought my Simson 405 Win Double form him several years ago.

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Hello Bucksticks. Have you found the fixens to shoot that gun yet. Been awaiting a field report.

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Hello Wayne59

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I did get out to the range to test this wonderful rifle. As you may be aware, I subscribe to the 75% rule for practice shooting my double rifles. That is; 75% velocity of the regulation load using the same bullet weight. Since the regulation load for this rifle is 2200 fps with a 480g bullet, 75% velocity would be about 1650 fps with the same bullet weight. I didn't have any 480g bullets, but was able to acquire some 500g Hawk bullets in .482 dia. Here is the very first target that I shot with that load. You should have seen my smile - no buyer's remorse for this rifle.




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I shot 20 shots with varying amounts of IMR 3031 powder; 70g, 75g, 80g, and the full load load which is 83.5g as was recommended by the former owner of the rifle. I shot 10 pairs total and groups ranged from 5/8" to 4-11/16" across the pairs of shots. On this next target, I shot a pair of "full power" loads on the same target as the 75% loads. As you can see, there was not a lot of difference in regulation from the 75% load to the full power load. And the 75% practice load is a lot more fun to shoot, being only 40.9 ft/lbs of recoil, instead of 70.2 ft/lbs. In the future I will shoot it with some AR5744 loads.

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You may find it interesting to see how I cool my double rifles between shooting strings. I built myself a cooling tube. This improvised device really cuts down on the waiting time between shots strings. I shoot 4 rounds (2 pair) and insert the barrel into the cooling tube. This rig cools the barrels down to ambient temperature in about 3 - 5 minutes; about the time it takes me to step through the chronograph readings, record the shots in my notebook, and walk the 50 yards down-range to measure the holes in the target. This devise was made up using a 110 volt 2-speed fan, attached to various rubber and plastic plumbing adapters, and then attaching them to a 28" long piece of 4" diameter flexible plastic drainage tube. (rubber and plastic for obvious reasons) Total cost was about $35 including the 110 volt fan. Lucky we have power at our range, otherwise I would have made one with a D.C. fan to run off my 12 volt car battery.





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I looked at that rifle several times but backed away because of the brass. I am happy to see you got it up and running. Would you mind if I copied your cooling device.

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Wow she can shoot Buckstix!
2 loads & both virtually on top of one another, awesome.
May need a new front sight to bring it all down a little, or will you just aim off?

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Wow she can shoot Buckstix!
2 loads & both virtually on top of one another, awesome.
May need a new front sight to bring it all down a little, or will you just aim off?

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Wow what a great thread.

Nice on the cooling gizmo. I think I see a side job in your future!

Somebody tell me about the rear sight. Was that cut by the previous owner? Maybe to accommodate aging eyes?

Reason I say it is for years on my iron sight "bad weather" and bear guns, I have widened the rear notch substantially and then used thick front posts. I have 20/20 distance vision far away but up close it's all fuzz. The wide rear sight gives both precision and fast acquisition. Looks like whoever owned your double felt the same way?

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