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A final thought about the website: the prices are exorbitant. $40K for a .416 Rigby bolt rifle (down from $50K apparently). These are great classic rifles of course, but I think $25K for a nice example is more like it. Maybe $30-35K if it's untouched in the original packing carton, and there can't be many of those with only 135 or so ever made (prewar).

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Considering how much was spent on the engraving, I am surpirsed they don;t have a detailed close up of it
unless of course they are trying to cover up that it is not very good.

The gold inlay is quite well done IMHO.

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Was the engraving done to camouflage previous damage from pitting or buffing etc?

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As for having a plain rifle engraved to make it more valuable I see nothing wrong. I do believe that engraving should be in the style of the period but changing it's design and adding some bling can make for a nice looking and higher priced rifle.

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A final thought about the website: the prices are exorbitant. $40K for a .416 Rigby bolt rifle (down from $50K apparently). These are great classic rifles of course, but I think $25K for a nice example is more like it. Maybe $30-35K if it's untouched in the original packing carton, and there can't be many of those with only 135 or so ever made (prewar).

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Sorry you're offended. I'm sure it wouldn't bother you for someone here to regularly tell you how ignorant, warped, and narrow-minded you are for being a British double rifle enthusiast. Probably shouldn't bother me either, but zimhunter (zimbabwe on AR) has been at it for a long time. I finally got a little annoyed, but I thought I was quite civil with him, considering.

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[Jack has some very hi profile clients, fairly new to him, [hedge fund types] that have been paying very high prices for his inventory. I noticed this has prompted him to inflate his offerings to accommodate their incredible thirst for high priced investment goods. Some of which however have not moved on his list like he expected.. They usually go with the most expensive item, though in my opinion they have no real knowledge of what there buying. They have spent many millions with him and with Barnett as of late.

However, with a little persuading a deal can usually be had with Jack you just need to know how to make a deal with him. I have always done well.

I agree the asking prices are unreal, but so is what he takes guns in at, so sometimes its a wash.

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generalwar, I had to laugh when I read the passage in your post that I placed in BOLD print.

The reason is, my late mother was a very skilled oil painter, and did many collector quality paintings over the years. One of her clubs held an art show in a very upscale area of the city. None of my mother's paintings sold, yet some very amature work latterly flew off the tables. A well known artist asked my mother if she understood why her paintings didn’t sell, to which she replied that no she didn't know why.

He told her that her paintings were best of the collection on display that day, and the reason her paintings didn't sell was because the people attending didn't know anything about art, and only bought the highest priced items, thinking the price indicated quality. He wrote down a list of prices for each of her paintings for her. On the next show in that area, she sold out the first half day of the show.

So though sometimes price does indicate quality, many times it is camouflage to pander to those who know no better. I believe this is the case with this rifle.

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what a bunch of cackling old farts we are that is a nice rifle.the case is done frone one large croc or alligatof thats prime belly hide.price wise its all in what a man wants to spend this is a job well done ,well presented.so some dont like it,the beauty is as one sees it.would you not want that in your collection if you could.i would not know not being rich and never owning the top percent of goods but the owner of this must be proud a master piece of wood and metal.i dont like picaso's but some people pay millions for that monkey scribble,i favor realism.he has done well to get that piece of history

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So though sometimes price does indicate quality, many times it is camouflage to pander to those who know no better. I believe this is the case with this rifle.

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The funny thing is if you give it some time those who bought the up priced whatever, will be the ones that sets the standard for quality on these items .

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Sorry you're offended. I'm sure it wouldn't bother you for someone here to regularly tell you how ignorant, warped, and narrow-minded you are for being a British double rifle enthusiast. Probably shouldn't bother me either, but zimhunter (zimbabwe on AR) has been at it for a long time. I finally got a little annoyed, but I thought I was quite civil with him, considering.

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Apologies mate, I hadn't an idea of the circumstances and was referring in general terms. I would be annoyed as well given those facts.

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what a bunch of cackling old farts we are that is a nice rifle.the case is done from one large croc or alligator that's prime belly hide.price wise its all in what a man wants to spend this is a job well done ,well presented.so some don't like it,the beauty is as one sees it.would you not want that in your collection if you could.i would not know not being rich and never owning the top percent of goods but the owner of this must be proud a master piece of wood and metal.i dont like picaso's but some people pay millions for that monkey scribble,i favor realism.he has done well to get that piece of history

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Are you on drugs?

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what was that about,all i was saying ones man taste may not be squat to someone else,as far as pictures go if I'm going to spend 40 grand on a rifle I'm flying out and putting my hands on it far better than pictures,the whole package is nice.as far as drugs go no why do you ask i get a kick out of how picky the arguments get that's all there are some very learned people here on this forum but they all have different views and thats good but does not make it gospel

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Has it been re-stocked chaps ? best, Mike

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Boy,
You guys really know how to derail a good opportunity to learn something here.
I don't think 470Evans intended his post to take this path.

I would not put any member of this forum in the "ignorant" pool - let alone put them in league with Nancy Pelosi!
The fact that they are on this site proves that, even if they don't have a voluminous knowledge of Brit doubles, they do have a desire to build on what they do know.
No need for disparagement.

Now, back to the gun at hand.
There is a lot that Pugs leaves out. Such as when, where, and by whom this gun was modified. (forget the "why" - nobody but the man who had it done can answer that)
IMO, worth the ask? No, of course not. Nothing on his site is.
"Better" than an original? Not to me or most others but maybe to some.
Well done? Yes, even if not to a Brit type style or finish.

The way I see it, this isn't too different than the treatment that thousands of Mausers get every year in the custom bolt gun trade. I don't see too many custom type A's being built these days... The primary difference being that the start of the project happened to be a rare and desireable double rifle and not a Mauser.

Let's face it (can't help myself) still better than a CalRigby!

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With that last line you did exactly what the rest of us have been trying to tell ZIM! The Cal Rigby is a fine example of what we have been saying. The CA Rigby is in exactly the same boat as the rifle that started this thread. Both are Tarted up imitations of the original, and neither is anyway close to being worth their asking price. Both remind me of corn rows, Gold teeth, and ten pounds of gold chains hanging around the neck of a hip-hop rapper, a look that matches the words that he uses in his GANGSTAH RAP!

400 is right ZIM has been on his case for at least two or three years! I'm sure it is beginning to get a little old. I know it would be with me. There is nothing wrong with Zim liking the rifle that started this thread, but why was it necessary to get angry and slam other who have a different opinion. The fact is the so-called restoration was very poorly done, and the fact that it looks good to some doesn't change that fact.

The original question was "what can be reversed and what would it cost" (Paraphrased). I think all the answers were right on target to the original question. I see no need to condemn anyone for giving an answer to that question. Instead of jumping down the responder's throat because you like the rifle the way it is, Zim should have simply said "I like it the way it is now, apparently others may not!" and be done with it, but it seems that is not his style.

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Has it been re-stocked chaps ? best, Mike

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If you are asking about the rifle at Cabela's, No but is has been refinished after installing a new recoil pad recently, but done properly. If it has been re-stocked, it was a long long time ago!

Just my opinon! If however the engraving on the rifle that started this thread had been done in the style that is on the rifle at Cabela's this thread would have been different all together.

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Correction The bold print above was a mistake on my part, and what I was refering to is the link below at Champlin's not Cabelas! Sorry about that, not that anyone saw it anyway, a correction none the less!

http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...&GunID=1438

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Has it been re-stocked chaps ? best, Mike

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Good question, and the monogram plate? Did they all have them?

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What are you referring to as the Monogram plate ?

I can't seem to see what you are talking about ?

(Must be blind LOL)

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