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bonanza
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9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions?
      #33971 - 28/06/05 04:19 AM

I'm thinking about this round in a bolt gun.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #33972 - 28/06/05 04:51 AM

This is supposed to be the Euro round that will match the 375 H&H. It'll probably get another 100 f/s over the X62 version depending on the bullet and loading. Heaven knows, you don't need a reason to just get another gun. My hunting partner's dad had a couple that he had me reload for quite a few years back. I'm assuming this is a European Mauser or something like that.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: 475Guy]
      #33973 - 28/06/05 05:03 AM

I've heard of belted cases getting snaged on the belt and would rather have a belt-less case in a bolt gun. .375 RUM may be the other choice.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #33975 - 28/06/05 05:22 AM

I've owned about 5-6 375's over the years and found that the belt would catch only if you're sloppy at not pushing back the round to rear of the magazine box. It only takes one motion, put round in and push back. Once everyting is compressed together in the magazine box, they've never snagged on me. Now, the 375 Ultra is a whole new ball game. I've not done much in the load development with mine as yet since Remmy ammo has been so cheap at my toystore (dealer cost). Got to tell you, though, recoil is right behind my 416 Rigby and that's with no brakes. There's still plenty of tweaking to do.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: 475Guy]
      #33977 - 28/06/05 05:26 AM

I think the 9.3 x 64 is a great round. And if you want to push the envelope a little more, the 9.3 x 70 is available.

From a practical standpoint, I prefer the 9.3 x 62 because it is easier to get brass and factory ammo.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: 500grains]
      #33980 - 28/06/05 06:44 AM

Are the 9.3x64 and 9.3x62 legal in Africa?

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: 500grains]
      #33981 - 28/06/05 07:10 AM

I'm going to have to agree with 500grains. Given the choice for a bolt gun I'd take the 9.3x62. In fact, I have a dandy Husqvarna Mauser in that caliber.

You get a great cartridge, full five round magazine, and no belt. Components are no problem at all. What more do you want? It's a real thumper.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #33982 - 28/06/05 07:11 AM

Bonanza,

I have a Franconia Mauser 98 in 9.3 x 64 and love it - I have put a Leupold on it
and have shot heaps of Buffalo and Pigs with it at all velocities and with different
weight bullets.

It kills just like a 375H&H and an animal wouldn't tell the difference.
The 320 grain (heavy bullet for calibre) really add extra punch over and above
what most books stop at as the 320gn was originally a 360 No 2 double rifle bullet.

Re the comment "From a practical standpoint, I prefer the 9.3 x 62 because
it is easier to get brass and factory ammo."

This used to be the case but both cases and dies are much more readily available.
I think the 9.3 is becoming more and more popular in the US (in the 62 version at least)
but with Winchester bringing ot the 8mmWSM, it will get people looking at the metrics
again.

62 vs 64 - the 64 has a bit more power etc etc but in reality a small field difference
except maybe on the largest animals. 2 best friends have 62's and have had no problems
shotting Scrub Bulls, Buffalo etc.

Re legal - I think 9.3 is legal in most countries in Africa, particulalry the 64 but
you'd have to get one of the other experts on the forum to clarify.

You wouldn't be dissapointd in it.

If you ant more info, PM me with an email address.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #33984 - 28/06/05 10:03 AM

I've seen it in action on plains game and buffalo. I feel that the 375 just seems to have an edge.

That said, I was so impressed with the round that I'm having an '09 Argentine made into a 9,3 Brenneke. I may also have an early post war Husqvarna 30-06 re-bored to 9,3X62. I've used the 9,3X74R long enough now to have utmost respect for the bore!

The 9,3X64 seems to be legal most areas of Africa for dangerous game. I still feel that the 375 is about the smallest caliber that could be considered sufficiently effective.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: luv2safari]
      #34000 - 28/06/05 02:52 PM

The 9.3x64 is pretty close to a 358 norma mag, the 9.3x62 is right there next to a 35 whelen. I've shot alot of bears with my 9.3x57 and quite a few with a 9.3x62. The few I managed with the 375h&h where sure a little more dead and seemed to flaten them black bears a little faster and flatter.

I like the no belt of the 9.3x64 but the 9.3x64 has less taper so I'd say feeding works out pretty close.

Ammo availability is better with the 375hh by a large margin. Ultamitly I'd go for a new 375, but you can some times find a great used mauser in 9.3x64 for a steal compared to a 375hh.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #34018 - 28/06/05 09:26 PM

Sounds like a great choice to me.



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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: NitroX]
      #34023 - 28/06/05 11:08 PM

You can get 9.3X62 285-grain ammunition from Grafs (Privi Partizan) for a little over $20 a box and Sellier & Bellot loads from Mid South Shooters Supply for around $21. That makes it a relatively inexpensive hunting round compared to the .375 or the 9.3X64 unless you do your own loading. I really like my old Husqvarna in 9.3X62. It carries easily, is accurate, and hits hard. Recoil is manageable...even pleasant. Highy underrated round in the States.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: Plains99]
      #34149 - 01/07/05 03:01 AM

the russian use the 9,3x64 now as a military sniper rifle cartridge and you can believe that they have searching long time for find the best cartridge in this class.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: pwm]
      #34150 - 01/07/05 04:01 AM

Can someone provide me with the number of montana rileman actions? My company is blocking their site.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #34169 - 01/07/05 02:20 PM

The 9.3x64 is legal in Zim and most of RSA, not any place else that I know of..but the upside to that is the other countries could care less what you use...

I have used both the 9.3x64 and the 9.3x62 and I love both calibers, but neither is as versitile for a US hunter ss the 375 H&H...The 9.3x64 is the European version of the 375, sorta of...I finally decided as long as I had a 375 I didn't need a 9.3x64 and as long as I have a 338 I don't need a 9.3x62, but what am I going to do with all that loaded ammo?

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: atkinson6]
      #34188 - 02/07/05 05:48 AM

Ray, you can always sell them for pennies on the dollar. Either that or donate 'em to somdbody who'll use the Helloutta it.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: pwm]
      #34204 - 02/07/05 03:26 PM

Re the use of the 9.3x64 as a Russian sniper rifle. Does anyone know what weight bullet they use?



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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: NitroX]
      #34239 - 03/07/05 01:23 AM

http://www.ab.ru/~stanok/eng/index.htm

here is the link, believe the soft point have the same weigth as the full metall jacket. this ammo is available in krautland and the price is very good, maybe not the very best quality but fine for target practise and european game. for african biggame allways take the Brennecke ammo. think the 375 H&H have lost on the big russian market.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #34548 - 10/07/05 08:16 PM

The 9,3x64 can do everything what the 375H&H can do, but always a little bit better.

It shoots flatter and with 320grain bullets you have an excellent SD.

There is no belt!

And all 9,3x64 rifles i ever shot were more accurate than the 375H&Hs!

The only problem is: You can not get the ammunition for that gun in every small village in africa

And the 9,3x64 is very easy to handle with extrem reduced loads for practicing for example

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #34550 - 10/07/05 10:16 PM

In reply to:

The 9,3x64 can do everything what the 375H&H can do, but always a little bit better.




Now this is a statement which might be challenged!

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: NitroX]
      #34926 - 21/07/05 11:24 PM

I shoot a 9.3x64 Brenneke, and it has seen use on most plains game and DG in Africa. Two of my clients used it last year to down 3 buffalo and one elephant with a total of 4 shots. (Shot placement obviously most critical factor.) It is one of my favourites, and even in Africa, where we normally struggle much more to obtain brass, I would not change it for a .375 H&H. As a matter of fact, I recently won a .375 H&H custom rifle, and sold it. My 9.3 will shoot 3 shot groups of less than 1/2 MOA all day, if equipped with an appropriate scope. I do not know if this is because of the cartridge design, mere luck with all the components I used for the rifle, or can be contributed to the gunsmith. It consists of a reworked military M 98 Mauser action, a Vektor barrel (4 grooves only), and a beutiful piece of walnut. It wears a 1.25 -4 x24 Swarovski scope in QD mounts.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: Ndumo]
      #35230 - 30/07/05 09:22 AM

In the real world, and favortism aside, the 9.3x64 is a better plainsgame rifle than the 375 H&H and not as good a dangerous game rifle as the .375 H&H , taking into account they both are capable rounds for both...I have used both and am prejudice to the .375 for a number of reasons....

I do believe the 9.3x64 has never had its due as an all around rifle, it would be a horse race thats for sure.

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Re: 9.3x64 Brenneke Opinions? [Re: bonanza]
      #35856 - 15/08/05 08:09 AM

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