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Bighammer
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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #33951 - 27/06/05 04:51 PM

Hi Mike,

Had a good chat with Bob about a .450 Rigby and he reckons that getting a CZ and altering the barrel, etc would be the easiest way to solve the problem.

On the subject of brakes, Bob may make them but he hates them! I guess he's only thinking of African hunting conditions. This project is down the track a little but if something should happen re the availability of a rifle or something, it could be elevated in importance! I want to get the Sharps first and then worry about it.

Any news of your mate's .300 Ultra performance?

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Mike_McGuire
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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #33955 - 27/06/05 06:22 PM

He took it to the range and fired one shot and that was the end of the day as the Jewell trigger broke.!!!

But this muzzle brake http://www.opsinc.us/brake.php
did as claimed.

Mike

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Bighammer
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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #34006 - 28/06/05 05:40 PM

Oops! After all that! At least the muzzle brake was a success. Not too expensive either but nothing for a .458 as yet.

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Mike_McGuire
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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #34007 - 28/06/05 06:10 PM

I notice they are have prototype for 408 and 50.

408 is for the Chey Tac round. The brake is highly recommended by people, including gunsmiths on

www.longrangehunting.com

He though the noise was noticeably less than the KDF type brake.

The Jewell trigger is a bit of a worry as this is the second one he has had break, the being about this time last year. They are about 10 years old and he has 7 or 8 of them that were bought at the same time. Perhaps a batch??

The first one broke the part that holds the firing pin and this one broke the lever that is under that part and sits on the sear and so the gun would not cock.

When I use to have bench style rifles and very accurate hunting style rifles I had Jewells but never a problem. Although mine were bought about 12 months later than my mates. So perhaps a batch of them.

Mike

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Bighammer
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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #34008 - 28/06/05 06:24 PM

No doubt it's only a matter of time before they do have one for a .45. Not that I'm in that much of a rush either! Those brakes do look good and obviously perform as well. I like the thought of less noise!

Pity about the Jewells. Perhaps you're right about the batch but I'd expect more from a custom assembly.

Tell you what, I'm fast becoming attracted to the thought of a suitable brake and really enjoying shooting a big, fast (or both) calibre! It's got me thinking outside 'the box'!

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #34009 - 28/06/05 06:47 PM

Once you reach the stage that both my mate and I am at, that is, wear ear muffs or plugs all the time irrespective of calibre then the noise of the brake does not cause the inconvenience it might for other shooters.

Mike

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #34012 - 28/06/05 07:13 PM

I'm already at that stage! Ear plugs are worn even in the field. One reason is to help maintain my pilot's licence! I do encourage others to wear hearing protection in the field anyway. Soon, it's going to be essential!

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #34170 - 01/07/05 02:35 PM

I have never had any use for the 416 Rigby, its all nostalgia and thats OK...but I hate to waste a big action on a 416, if I have to pack all that gun, I want a big hummer like a 500 Jefferys or 505 Gibbs otherwise I will take a 416 Remington on a nice light slim gun...Thats my favorite caliber anyway along with the 404 and it too can be built on a std. magnum action....I have both, the 404 is my nostalgia lovem, and I have used it a bunch on all the big stuff with perfect satisfaction, couldn't ask for more...

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: atkinson6]
      #34179 - 01/07/05 04:59 PM

Ray,

A .404 technically makes more sense if able to be built on a standard 98 Mauser.

A .404 would suit me, but why is the .404 cartridge uncommon in new production guns?

Is the .416 Rigby more popular now just because Federal makes ammunition or is there some other reason the .404 seems to be skipped over?

Thank you,

Richard

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: rgp]
      #34286 - 04/07/05 04:45 AM

Well now that CZ has come out with a .404 the pictures is changing...

The only problem with building a 404 is finding a smith that knows how...The magazine needs a lot of refining to make it feed and US gunsmiths won't or mostly cannot make one feed...D'Arcy Echols can, but he won't, takes too much of his valuble time and thats good business on his part.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: atkinson6]
      #34291 - 04/07/05 06:13 AM


Ray

Can't you just buy a Magazine designed for the 404 now
that fits Mod 70's or Mausers ?

Is it Blackbird or someone who makes them already set up ?

500 Nitro

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #34292 - 04/07/05 06:45 AM

A 404J will be popular when, and only when there's a factory load available for it. As it is now, your ammo is a home-grown handload or a custom one.

500- I believe you're referring to Blackburn's dropbox magazines and they're expensive.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #34789 - 18/07/05 07:13 AM

To me your answer is very simple... You've got the RSM in .375 H&H and like it, so the logical twin to it should be the Lott in another RSM.

You can load it down a bit or just use Win Mags in it and you'll have a matched pair of thumpers. The .458" bullets are very plentiful and there are lots of choices. The Lott and Win are easy to load for also. If I'm not mistaken Rigby brass is a bit expensive isn't it?

I've been extremely impressed with my .375 Ruger RSM and IMHO it's a fantastic deal with all the features 90% of hunters ask for in a big game rifle. Just thoroughly test fire it for function, perhaps have it bedded and you're in business.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #34828 - 19/07/05 06:02 AM

Bighammer

Sound advice from a few guys on the 450 Rigby. I shoot one, and I would not trade it even for a 500 Jeffreys or 505 Gibbs. (MAYBE for a double in 500 NE....) Have a look at an article I wrote on the 450 on my website, www.huntingsafaris.net
In it I also explained how easy you can fireform 416 Rigby cases to 450 Rigby. I do not like Bertram brass (properly headstamped), and only use Norma brass (416 stamped) that I have restamped. I cross borders regularly with it, without any problems.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Ndumo]
      #34867 - 20/07/05 01:16 AM

When I owned my .416 Rigby I loved it, but I hated the cost of that Norma brass. For those of us on a tighter budget who want a hotrod .458 I would choose the .375 RUM case. A .458/375 Ultra is very similar to the .460 G&A which was developed back in the early '70's. Brass is affordable and available, and 500 gr bullets can be pushed at 2400 fps without undue pressure. I think with the Ultra family of catridges on the horizon, Remington missed the boat by not bringing their .416 and a .458 out on the Ultra platform.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: 458RugerNo1]
      #35051 - 25/07/05 05:16 PM

I did think hard about the Lott in a twin RSM but the thought of a big Rigby case is most attractive! As I've mentioned before, there's no substitute for cubic inches and I like achieving performance with ease. It feels better!

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Ndumo]
      #35053 - 25/07/05 06:00 PM

Ndumo,

Thank you for the info. It was a great read about the .450 Rigby. I'd have thought that even 10.5lbs might be too light for such a cartridge. I know it mightn't be a cartridge that's shot a great deal regularly but one still has to be confident with it. Then again, you might well shoot your .450 all the time with various loads given your line of work. A removable muzzle brake is another option!

I haven't convinced myself either way whether I should go the way of a .416 or .450 but a Rigby it has to be!

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #35054 - 25/07/05 07:07 PM

BigHammer

Yes, I shoot my .450 more than most of my other rifles, and I think I handle the recoil well by now. (I still hate to shoot it from the bench though...) I do not like muzzle brakes, and will not fit any on any one of my rifles. The key to shooting big bores without flinch is mental conditioning. I believe you can do it by telling yourself that the rifle cannot hurt you, and of course lots of practice. BTW, before I went out to hunt with it the first time, I fired more than 150 shots on the range. I like to use a fullsize buffalo target for practice, and had to draw one when I started out with the cartridge. Luckily, the SA Hunters and Conservation Assosiation of which I am a member, brought out a very realistic 3/4 color target which is great for practice. I normally put it up at 50 yards, and then dash around it from the firing line. On reaching the firing line again, (the adrenalin and my breath racing), I fire 3 shots at the target. I try to keep time to fire these shots under 6 seconds.
Whichever one you choose between the .416 or the .450 Rigby, as a hunting client, you will be very well equipped. I chose the .450 for extra insurance

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Ndumo]
      #35104 - 26/07/05 02:02 PM

Ndumo,

At present, my Ruger .375 H&H is the biggest rifle that I hunt with seriously. It hasn't come close to letting me down and I doubt it ever will. It is also great to shoot.

Yet, there's this hankering for a bigger bore! Wonder why?! I like round figures like 45 or 50. .416 just seems to be in there somewhere! However, having shot a .416 Rem, I loved the extra power. 400 grains is good but 500 grains has a finality about it, if you know what I mean!

If Ruger ever produce a .450 Rigby, my decision's made.

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Re: Next one up from a .375 H&H [Re: Bighammer]
      #35226 - 30/07/05 08:57 AM

Nobody makes a 404 box, the Blackburn is a 416 box and its a poor substitute..Weisner made a 404 box at one time but no more...It is imparative to have the inside cuts in the sized .404 box ala the original Mauser..The original Mauser never failed, because of those cuts that only allowed side contact on the rim and shoulder, with the rest of the case and bullet free...Again Paul Mauser proved his worth....Remington has done the same with their box in the RUM series that are made on the 404 case and I have been told that you can use those boxes in a M-70 and come up with a functioning 404....

With a good tig welding gunsmith it is possiver to convert a Blackburn box or Sunny Hill box to a 404 that will function...

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