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375h&h affectiveness
      #32488 - 31/05/05 05:16 PM

a friend of mine asked me the other day if i though a 375h&h would be good on pigs i told him it was too much gun but he disagrees what do you think

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #32491 - 31/05/05 07:45 PM

303,

A 375H&H is devastating on pigs - it absolutely flattens them with 270 and 300gn bullets.
(I haven't shot any with 235gns but would expect it to have the same affect.)

Technically it is a bit of overkill or as you say "it was too much gun"
but since most people like me just shoot to kill them and not shoot them
for the meat, does it matter what you shoot them with ?

I shoot them with what ever I have in my hands - be it a 222 to a 500 Nitro.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 500Nitro]
      #32560 - 02/06/05 07:06 AM

considering i haveonly shot pig with 303s and 243s and killed them quickly i though that a 375 would do too much damage to them for a trophy

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #32562 - 02/06/05 08:01 AM

My .375 H&H worked just fine on hogs; even little piggies!!


.375 H&H - 300 gr Hornady RN Interlock at 2480 fps (Muz Vel)
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Nice clean hole in and out. Very little damaged meat. They made great sausage!

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #32564 - 02/06/05 09:07 AM

In reply to:

considering i haveonly shot pig with 303s and 243s and killed them quickly i though that a 375 would do too much damage to them for a trophy




I would argue that the 375 with proper bullet (not a thin-jacketed type) would do less damage than a 303 or 243 that has a thinner jacket and would be more apt to fragment.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: new_guy]
      #32566 - 02/06/05 09:45 AM

Unless you are doing a full body mount I can't see how the trophy would be affected. Most people probably only ever get a couple (at most) shoulder mounted. Usually just the tusks are taken as trophies and they look good on a European wooden board, especially when you have a few dozen.





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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #32597 - 03/06/05 08:24 AM

I watched a few videos lately on hunting and alot of the hunters used 375s ,on every buff it seemed to take a dozen shots to kill each one ,which didnt leave me thinking the 375 is as great as everyone claims it to be .The consensus of opinion is that you will shoot better with a 375 than a 577 ,but the shooters i saw took 2 or 3 shots to kill everything they shot at.I thought if a Non shooter views these videos ,i dont think they would have a high opinion of hunters as humane or competent ,maybe its better to get a more adequate calibre and PRACTICE !!!!!!!when hunting for big game

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: bwanabloke]
      #32598 - 03/06/05 10:05 AM

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I watched a few videos lately on hunting and alot of the hunters used 375s ,on every buff it seemed to take a dozen shots to kill each one ,which didnt leave me thinking the 375 is as great as everyone claims it to be .The consensus of opinion is that you will shoot better with a 375 than a 577 ,but the shooters i saw took 2 or 3 shots to kill everything they shot at.I thought if a Non shooter views these videos ,i dont think they would have a high opinion of hunters as humane or competent ,maybe its better to get a more adequate calibre and PRACTICE !!!!!!!when hunting for big game




just goes to show you that watching videos is bad for you...

what caliber specifically have you seen in a video knock a buffalo down as if it were hit by a giant "ACME" anvil from a wylie-coyote cartoon?

there isn't one that's legal for hunting.

remember: oxygen deprivation of the brain is the key. doesn't matter what you hit them with... until the brain runs out of oxygen - they keep going.


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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: bwanabloke]
      #32600 - 03/06/05 11:44 AM

bwanabloke

It seems to me that you most probably watched one of the Mark Sullivan tapes that is no longer being sold. That video just only shows that if the proper shot isn't taken, no matter the load, will not take any game down. Don't base real life experience on videos as it isn't like doing the realy thing. In most of the videos regardless of who makes them, the shooters are encouraged to just "take any shot" and that's why lots of game don't go down.



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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: bwanabloke]
      #32602 - 03/06/05 12:39 PM

You said the key word. Practise!!!! I like to take the .375 and shoot prairie dogs with it. It is a lot of fun and is great practise. It will probably be what I am carrying when I go elk hunting this season. They have killed elephants with a single round of lesser calibers.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: WyoJoe]
      #32701 - 06/06/05 02:58 PM

I thought I was the only one who did that. I went in to Westley Richards a couple of months ago and the look I got from Kevin Kilday was priceless when I told him all I use my .375 H&H for was target plinking and gopher hunting. The day will come (at better fiancial status than present) when I do the same with a .470 or .500.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: WyoJoe]
      #32717 - 07/06/05 02:14 AM

You can't learn the big guns if you don't use them. What better than hogs? You have a variety of shooting situations/ranges and there are plenty of them out there that need shooting.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: Plains99]
      #32768 - 08/06/05 10:04 AM

The 375 does less bloodshot damage than say a .270 or .243 so whats the problem..unless your using some kind of a bloody soft bullet thats exploding...

Try a flat nose solid or cup point from Northfork or a GS customs from RSA, even a 350 gr. Woodleigh makes since..I have shot worlds of plainsgame with a .375, 416 and 404 without meat damage..


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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: atkinson6]
      #32817 - 09/06/05 09:44 AM

Excellent point Ray. The deer I shot with it had less damage that my .300 H&H did.

Exit hole on the deer from 235 gr Barnes X (range was about 100 yards).



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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: WyoJoe]
      #32825 - 09/06/05 11:27 AM

Have been shooting elk here in Colorado with the .375H&H using some 210gr Barnes X bullets that were given to me. Works great. I don't load the 210s to over 2900fps. Also was given some 235gr X bullets which I'll use when the 210s run out this year. Since I don't have a lot of bloodshot meat with the 210 X, you shouldn't have much of a problem on your hogs.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #33121 - 15/06/05 04:46 PM

303,

You've got to be kidding when you say that your friend thinks that a .375 H&H isn't too much gun for pigs! I've generally shot them with a .270, .303 and a .308 and never had a problem stopping them with one shot.

I've a lot of respect for pigs and wouldn't like to tackle them with anything less than a .243 but a .375 H&H makes an awful mess of them like it did on my first warthog. The .270gr Failsafe (I wasn't just hunting pigs!) shattered its right shoulder and exited its left hind quarter. Luckily, all I wanted were the tusks!


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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: Bighammer]
      #34213 - 02/07/05 05:15 PM

In reply to:

You've got to be kidding when you say that your friend thinks that a .375 H&H isn't too much gun for pigs!




You may be satisfied with the performance of your smallbores........ but that is no good reason to be rude to those of us who prefer to use .375s (and larger calibres).

I submit that - in this context - the notion of "too much gun" is rubbish. Little more than a sloppy-logic argument used by people who feel the need to justify their own choice, and find the fact that others prefer something different to be threatening.

If the .375 is "too much" for pigs because it (supposedly) damages meat, then the .22rimfire is "too much" for rabbits.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: cooch]
      #34225 - 02/07/05 09:57 PM

i don't find it to be threatening in any way i way simply asking the oppinion of the people on this forum so don't get on your high horse and start making up theory's about why other people don't like using medium calibers on medium game


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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #34475 - 08/07/05 05:08 PM

That - my dear "303" - is why my reply was not directed to you.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #34690 - 15/07/05 01:24 AM

In reply to:

considering i haveonly shot pig with 303s and 243s and killed them quickly i though that a 375 would do too much damage to them for a trophy




303, I can tell you from experience a lot more meat will be damaged with that 243 Win than with a 375 H&H with a 300 gr Swift A-Frame! My favorite three cartridges in the world , are the 243 Win, the 375 H&H, and the 500 NE, and as you go up in size, the meat damage goes down. My 243 Win handloads send a 100 gr bullet down range at 3000 FPS, the 375 H&H a 300 gr bullet @ 2500 FPS, and the old 500 with a 570 gr bullet @ 2125 FPS, and as you go up the bullets get tougher! The little 243 Win with the 100 gr bullet @ 3000FPS tears meat to shreds, while you can eat right up to the hole with the 375, or 500NE.

We have a club (DRSS: DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTER'S SOCIETY) of guys who only hunt with double rifles, and we hunt wild boar most of the time, And I personally use everything from 9.3X74R, to 577 NE to shoot pigs, and I eat them. Hellacious good practice for hunting Cape buffalo, and lion, to boot! Tell your friend, to go ahead with his 375 H&H on hogs, and butcher them for meat, because the damage will be minimal! Good hunting!

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: Bighammer]
      #34691 - 15/07/05 01:46 AM

In reply to:

I've a lot of respect for pigs and wouldn't like to tackle them with anything less than a .243 but a .375 H&H makes an awful mess of them like it did on my first warthog. The .270gr Failsafe (I wasn't just hunting pigs!) shattered its right shoulder and exited its left hind quarter. Luckily, all I wanted were the tusks!




Bighammer, the 375 is not what tore your warthog apart, but the crappy bullet you were useing! In the first place, the ony real bullet for the 375 H&H is a quality 300 gr bullet of a soft, or solid, no matter the target! I've shot warthog with a 375 H&H useing a 300 gr Nosler Partition, and Barnes super solids (MONO-METEL), and you could mount a full body mount with one stitch, on each side, to close the bullet holes, and eat right up to the bullet hole! High velocity, and rapid expansion is what destroys meat, and capes, not bullet diameter!

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #34784 - 18/07/05 06:14 AM

It's true that the average '06, .308, .270, 7mm Mag, etc will do more meat damage to game animals than the .375 or a .458 will. The more heavily constructed bullets for the heavy calibers at moderate velocities pass through the animal with far less violent expansion than the higher velocity rifles most often used for deer.

Any animal I've hit with my .375 has dropped right where it stood. I take my shots carefully and place them well and the animal goes down as if hit by lightening.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #34844 - 19/07/05 06:32 PM

Punches two neat holes that you can stick your finger into less meat damage and quite a nice sight to see hogs just dropping at the spot even when not hit perfect why use anything else.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: SafariHunt]
      #35233 - 30/07/05 09:31 AM

I have never had a problem killing pigs, I have shot a ton of them with the 25-35 and 222 without a single problem, I don't have much respect for pigs toughness, until you get to the true Russians, thats another story, they live in a house of stone.

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Re: 375h&h affectiveness [Re: 303]
      #35475 - 05/08/05 05:17 AM

I shot a Boar with my 7 Rem Mag, but I don't see anything wrong with using a 375 H&H.

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