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Sam
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Cast Performance 460 gr.
#78997 - 20/05/07 12:23 AM

Have somebody of you shot buffalo/hippo/elephant with CP`s 460 gr. in .458?
If: Did it penetrate well? Velocity? Retention weight and more.

Maybe in a 45-70 too?

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500grains
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Re: Cast Performance 460 gr. [Re: Sam]
#79232 - 23/05/07 09:55 AM

Cast performance bullets are good quality for a cast bullet, but don't expect good results on heavy bone such as skulls, shoulders, leg bones and spines. We are talking about 150 year old technology that was long ago replaced by FMJ steel-lined solids at 2150 fps to achieve adequate penetration on the tough stuff.

That being said, I am sure you can kill a buffalo with a .222 if you are determined to do it.

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Sam
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Re: Cast Performance 460 gr. [Re: 500grains]
#79550 - 29/05/07 10:03 AM

Hmm!

I have read about lot of hunters which have used hard cast - with success!

I also used a hard cast (378 gr.) for my buff in my revolver in .454 - and it penetrated his right shoulder.
The bullet was found in the boilingroom with 78% ret.weight.

The two other bullets hit the heart/lungs - and penetrated all way trough.

The first bullet was fired at 35 meters - and the two others before he disappered at 50 m.
He died at 62 meters.

Therefor - I should like to hear from someone who HAVE SHOT something big with the CP or some other hard cast bullets.

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KDMCustom
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Re: Cast Performance 460 gr. [Re: Sam]
#79710 - 01/06/07 05:23 AM

I read an article in the Double Gun magazine about a Holland and Holland 8 bore double rifle. They shot a cape buffalo with a 990 grain hard lead ball at 1550 fps. It penetrated the full length of the buffalo. Hardcast bullets have taken the "Big 5". They penetrate very well even a lower velocities.

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DarylS
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Re: Cast Performance 460 gr. [Re: KDMCustom]
#79739 - 02/06/07 01:43 AM

Smashing both shoulders of a big Canadian Moose is easily accomplished with a 14 to 12 bore round ball cast of straight Wheelweights. These run about 12 to 13 brinel and are much harder than any of the 'hardened' balls of the 19th century. Harder, yet non-deforming and non-fragmenting balls can be cast of 1/2 WW and 1/2 pure lead, then heat treated to brinel 20 or so. Straight Linotype is too brittle for penetrating bones.
; The WW balls, started at around 1,500 to 1,550fps are usually undamaged by the trip through both moose leg bones, ith the 12 bore ball usually exiting. These aren't small deer bones, but aren't Cape Buff bones, either.

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