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akrange
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DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR
      #44753 - 24/12/05 02:08 AM

I have looked over many posts and have only found one post on the 450 Rigby..Is this chambering for a DG Rifle not a good choice.. Would the 450 AHR be a better option .I know the gain may not be that great in AHR.. Should one look at more mass, 470 Class {Capstick} if your in this part of the Power Curve..
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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: akrange]
      #45006 - 28/12/05 03:08 AM

There are a lot of favorable posts on the .450 Rigby over on the AccurateReloading website, a fair number of them mine. It's a first class DG cartridge with considerable advantages over the AHR. Pressure will be lower with the Rigby and the ballistics can be souped up if you wish. Personally, I find that 500 gr. at about 2300 fps is enough for anything and the AHR won't get you that. Neither will the Win and you'll be pushing the limit to do it with the Lott. The Lott, the Rigby and all the rest of the larger .45's, however, all have about the same effect on game. As Boddington says, "These things numb buffalo." Good quality brass is readily available form both Midway and from Huntingtons and good bullets are all over the place. It's a very practical Class III DG cartridge.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Oldsarge]
      #45059 - 28/12/05 12:06 PM

I would vote for the Rigby too.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: akrange]
      #45070 - 28/12/05 02:08 PM

These days my advice is all based on practicality. I recommend the .458 Lott, and once everyone has one, we can all share ammo.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Oldsarge]
      #45094 - 29/12/05 01:13 AM

Oldsarge,

In reply to:

Pressure will be lower with the Rigby and the ballistics can be souped up if you wish. Personally, I find that 500 gr. at about 2300 fps is enough for anything and the AHR won't get you that.




Just so you know, the 450 AHR is a necked down 500 Jeffery. It will easily get to 2300 fps and at a lower pressure than your 450 Rigby.

I agree with Dan (500grains) that the 458 Lott is the most practical. It also allows for more magazine capacity, which is a good thing from time to time.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: ScottS]
      #45108 - 29/12/05 07:00 AM

Or possibly a necked down .500 AHR? With the full width rim? That would be a practical cartridge if it didn't require Bertram brass. I confused it with another line of cartridges AHR uses. However, the Rigby is more available though not, of course, on a par with the Lott's.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Oldsarge]
      #45136 - 29/12/05 01:06 PM

Oldsarge,

In reply to:

Or possibly a necked down .500 AHR?




That is exactly correct. At least that is what Mr. Plummer told me during a phone conversation several years ago. Forgive my incorrect previous statement.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: ScottS]
      #46138 - 09/01/06 07:34 AM

I have used a .450 Rigby for the past 6 years, and can honestly say, it has never failed me. It hits with authority, penetrates like you would not believe, and yet are not too much gun to handle. If you are interested, I will send you a article that I have written on it a while back.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Ndumo]
      #46146 - 09/01/06 10:04 AM

Ndumo

Not sure if it causes any problems for the administrators but is there any chance of posting the article in this thread for all to see.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: 375Brno]
      #46149 - 09/01/06 10:18 AM

There is no problem and we would welcome it.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Ndumo]
      #46174 - 09/01/06 02:23 PM

Ndumo,
Did You write the artical for Magnum.. Are Your initials K.S...If so, I have it already.. If not please let us all see Your work..

AK


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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: akrange]
      #46191 - 09/01/06 04:23 PM

Yes, my initials are KS (Karl Stumpfe), and I wrote the article for Magnum. If I knew how, I would have posted a link to it

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Ndumo]
      #46192 - 09/01/06 04:29 PM

Here is a link to the article.
http://www.huntingsafaris.net/pdf/reloadingtherigby450rimless.pdf

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Ndumo]
      #46230 - 10/01/06 02:59 AM

Ndumo

Thanks for Your read on the 450 {Rimless} Rigby.. It has cleared the air for me.. Are there any updates in this story.. I'm sure the 450 Rigby will get a closer look from Your work..

AK


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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: akrange]
      #46262 - 10/01/06 08:13 AM

akrange

Since I wrote the article in early 2004, i have had a few more results to share. In the time since then, I continued to hunt DG with it, both as PH and one buff cow for the councill of the hunting concession. This resulted in me taking another 6 shots at buffalo, and 2 at elephant. A client also fired another shot at an already downed elephant. The results were as follows:

elephant 1 - client asked me to back him on angled from behind side on heart/ lung shot. (say 75 deg. instead of 90) His shot was placed perfectly, mine about 6 inches higher, over heart. I was using a 550gr Rhino solid brass bullet, loaded to ~2300ft/sec. The bullet penetrated to the other side's humerus, and propably cracked it, because as soon as the ele wheeled and put some pressure on that leg, he collapsed. The skinners recovered the bullet next to a broken bone in the off shoulder. I did not see the exact spot, so relied on their account for this one.

elephant 2 - side brain shot on wounded bull, swinging to come. Bullet exited. bullet used- 500gr GSC Flat nose solid @ ~2400ft/sec.

elephant 3 - client fired into alreday downed bull as insurance, into chest, below middle, exited into soft ground after penetrating about 1.5 m. Unfortunately I was also not present on this recovery, and had to rely on what skinner and the skin panel told me.

buffalo 1 - I was hunting a cow for the council, took a shot at an badly angled buff from behind with a 550gr Rhino soft. Shot penetrated the rumen, lodged in the off shoulder, but damaged only one lung. (cannot find the specific bullet right now, but if I remember correct, 98% was recovered) After a short follow up (about 600m), I found the cow with head hanging low. as soon as she tried to run, I shot her again, this time from 25 yards. This shot took her in the middle of the neck, and exited in the middle of her forehead. 2nd bullet used- 550gr Rhino solid.

buffalo 2 - client asked me to back on buff , 550gr Rhino soft exited squarely through both shoulders. exit wound showed good expansion.

buffalo 3 - backup shot into rump of badly shot buff, 550gr Rhino solid. The shot definately braked him, but the bullet tumbled, and was recovered in the rumen. I have since stopped using these solids as they are extremely long, (1.7 inches or 43mm), and I figured that I am having stabilization problems.

buffalo 4 - charging buff, shot from about 20 yards, into centre of chest, bullet used 550gr Rhino soft. Recovered weight 540.7gr. recovered from just below the bladder, in pelvic region. As the buff broke off the charge, I took a shot angled from behind, hitting about a foot behind the right shoulder, bullet exited on humerus of left shoulder, which left a big crater.

Except for these, I have also carried this rifle on numerous other hunts, but luckyly did not have to use it. However, I have 100% confidence in it, and I know it will deliver when the chips are down.

BTW- I still do not have much luck with the Bertram Brass, even after rebarreling the rifle, as well as having the bolt trued. Some still give slightly sticky extraction even with very low loads, and I use them only for practice.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: Ndumo]
      #46281 - 10/01/06 01:01 PM

Ndumo,
I got bit by the big bore bug pretty bad. I like the thought of the .450 Rigby. Would you mind if I saved a copy of your article for my self for reading later?

Thank You.

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: WyoJoe]
      #46285 - 10/01/06 02:44 PM

Thanx, Ndumo,
I am printing it out for future reference. For a while I was going to sell mine but have decided instead to just get it restocked (or possibly try the operation myself!) as I cannot help but keep remembering firing that one shot at a buff and watching it sit down and fall over. My kind of DGR, indeed!

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Re: DG Rifle: 450 Rigby or 450 AHR [Re: WyoJoe]
      #46292 - 10/01/06 04:22 PM

No problem WyoJoe

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