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ridgerunner_ky
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Which 375 H&H
#34745 - 17/07/05 05:48 AM

I posted this over on accurate also.
I want to get a 375 H&H in the next few months or so.
I have handled the cz and the new model 70's .
Both of them feel really good to me. I also know where there is a pre64 model 70 that a late friend of mine had that still has the original couple boxes of shells that come with it when he found it at a pawn shop.
This rifle has literally been sitting in a gun cabinet basically all it's life. as far as I know it's only ever been hunted with like maybe twice and used to kill a whitetail.

Would you recommend to buy this if his brother will sale it, or buy a new gun.
I shot it twice about ten years ago and loved it.

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475Guy
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34747 - 17/07/05 06:09 AM

If you like that particular Pre-64, then hound that dude until he finally gives up and lets you have it. He'll probably never, ever shoot it since he thinks that it'll kick like Hell.

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500Nitro
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: 475Guy]
#34748 - 17/07/05 06:18 AM

I'd buy either but try to get the pre 64 if it is available.
- at least the Pre 64 would have some Nostalgia.

However from memory Pre 64 Winchester's in 375H&H
did not have cross bolts (or the early ones didn't) and as
a result they split the stock at the tang.

Therefore you may have to have some modifications
done to it so it will last.

Good luck.

500 Nitro

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mikeh416Rigby
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34749 - 17/07/05 07:13 AM

I'd definitely go after the Model 70.

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WyoJoe
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34762 - 17/07/05 11:33 AM

If it was me I would go for the pre 64. For a couple of reasons. #1. I prefer a used gun over a new one. They have character. #2. It is a friends gun and would be a way of connecting with him even if he has passed on. Save the ammo that would come with it for a special occasion.

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458RugerNo1
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34785 - 18/07/05 06:21 AM

Go for the Pre-64 Model 70... Also, be sure to make comments about how "violent" that recoil is with the .375 and that you wouldn't want to see that brother blow out a shoulder shooting it. So for his own good you'll take it off his hands... For $350.00

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ridgerunner_ky
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: 458RugerNo1]
#34799 - 18/07/05 12:43 PM

458RugerNo1,
That would be a good idea but I don't believe the brother would fall for that.
The reason why it wasn't shot but only a few times was because all the other rifles that my friend Charles had were several thousand dollar benchrest rifles, I know Lilja built some of his as they were friends and some other makers also.
AS far as value of the rifle I would say his brother Jim knows fairly close

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ridgerunner_ky
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: 475Guy]
#34801 - 18/07/05 12:57 PM

I think that is what I will do I will keep hounding him till he sells it to me or gets me harassment

Na known them all my life.

What kind of smith work do the pre 64's need to be DRG ready?
Also how hard is it to find one like it that has only been shot a few times?
What is a fair price for this rifle?

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rgp
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34805 - 18/07/05 01:50 PM

It is not uncommon to find used .375's and heavier rifles that are basically new and up for sale on consignment.

Not certain how much that .375 pre '64 M70 is going for in mint condition but there are probably a lot of them that have either never been used or at most have had a box or two of factory ammunition put through them in 50 years.

As 500 Nitro mentioned, if it had been used much it would probably have a split stock. Finn Aagard mentioned this as well in an article he wrote years ago, wherein he told of Kenyans who were repairing their split stocks via a homemade glass bedding job on their m70 .375's with fibreglass autobody filler (aka Bondo).

Richard

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Lefty
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34819 - 19/07/05 12:58 AM

No question about it, go for the pre '64 Model 70. If it doesn't have cross bolts, have it fiberglass bedded, at least in the tang area. I have a new Model 70 375 and it is a great rifle, but it ain't no pre '64. Besides having a classic, vintage rifle that is one of the best (some would say THE best) American manufactures ever made, it will be a constant reminder of your friend. Buy it.
Cheers,
Lefty

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davem3
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34827 - 19/07/05 03:22 AM

A pre-64 will always hold its value and are usually a good investment.
As for price, I paid $135.00 for my pre-64 in .257 Roberts - but at the time I bought it, ALL winchesters were pre-64. Dave

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Rell
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: davem3]
#34838 - 19/07/05 01:27 PM

The pre 64 is the way to go. If not look at the ruger 375 it beats a new 70 or CZ hands down.

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DeishuAK
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34840 - 19/07/05 02:24 PM

I'm with the others...the Model 70 in my opinion is your only option. I currently own a Model 70 Classic Super Express in 458 Win Mag. (pre-64 type). This is one fine rifle. I recently ordered a new CZ 550 in 458 Win Mag. It was entirely dysfunctional and cheaply built, and ended up back at the factory, only to be returned still dysfunctional...and just as cheap. I finally just recently got my money back. Make yourself a happy soul - go with the 70, and if possible, pre-64 or with the classic pre-64 style.

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Bigfive
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: DeishuAK]
#34858 - 19/07/05 11:28 PM

CZ is good but a bit on the light side.I am a big CZ fan and most of my rifles are old Bruno's.Personal choice would be a Pre 64 or a 70 if you can get them.

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ridgerunner_ky
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: Bigfive]
#34872 - 20/07/05 02:19 AM

what is a fair price for a pre-64 in good condition in 375 H&H??

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Bigfive
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#34891 - 20/07/05 05:32 PM

obviuosly it will be cheaper in US than here in South Africa but to give you indications I can get new mod 70 @R20000-00.Mod 64 is difficult to get but you'll pay more or less the same price for a secondhand one here in SA.The exchange rate today is US$1-00 = R6-80.

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atkinson6
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: Bigfive]
#35231 - 30/07/05 09:25 AM

Grab the pre 64 M-70, the only bolt rifle in .375, better than a pre 64 M-70 is a custom mod. 98 Mauser IMO.....

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mikeh416Rigby
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: atkinson6]
#35282 - 01/08/05 09:07 AM

Darn it Ray, I must be getting smarter as I get older. The last 2 dozen or so posts you've made, I've been in complete agreement with. What's going on?

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CliftonClowers
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: ridgerunner_ky]
#35422 - 03/08/05 08:19 PM

I cannot speak to the CZ, but the M70 is a fine rifle. I have a box-stock M70 stainless classic in .375HH with several thousand rounds through it and it's accurate, tough, reliable, and well balanced. You should consider the Ruger MkII in .375HH. It's a little heavier than the M70 but it's everything the M70 is and more, an excellent tool. The Ruger is well worth twice the retail price.

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500grains
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: CliftonClowers]
#35427 - 04/08/05 12:57 AM

I've worked through bugs with a couple of new model 70's, and as they come from the factory they are junk. Plan on spending $500 to $750 on gunsmithing to get one right.

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chuckwagon61
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: 500grains]
#36188 - 20/08/05 03:26 PM

Hey guys - new to the site and 375 H&H ownership. Doesn't
anybody like Sako?

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475Guy
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: chuckwagon61]
#36212 - 21/08/05 05:10 AM

Older Sako's were push-feeds but were beautifully finished. The new model Sako is a controlled round feed but haven't heard that much about the new gun from new owners to have an opinion. Sako's have been superbly accurate in the past and don't see any reason why the new ones shouldn't be just as accurate.

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Mike_McGuire
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: chuckwagon61]
#36213 - 21/08/05 05:24 AM

chuckwagon61

The Sakos are good. But if accuracy is the goal and lots of shots are to be fired they need scope bases that do not have a clamp on one side.

The tapered dovetails sound good but they are not good. The very small recoil stop on the rear dovtail is useless.

The HS Precision would be my pick of 375s if reliable smooth feeding and accuracy was the criteria. But like Sako, Rem 700 and Wby those rifles just don't seem to go with the 375 H&H calibre.

Just as some meals offer the best nutrition other meals are what we might prefer to eat

Mike

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500Nitro
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: Mike_McGuire]
#36221 - 21/08/05 07:41 AM

Mike378 and others

We all talk about the accuracy of rifle makers but from 375H&H up
how many shoot off a bench or a bipod at game ?

Most people I know can't shoot off hand very well at all and instead
of trying to buy a rifle with 0.1 MOA accuracy they should spend the
time practicing shooting it - both off the bench and off hand.

This would do more to improve accuracy than anything else as at 100 yards
most people have AT LEAST a 3 MOA wobble unless they have practised.

The above probably applies to all calibres.

In other words, most guns now shoot better than the shooters can shoot it.

Just my HO.

500 Nitro

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Mike_McGuire
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Re: Which 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
#36222 - 21/08/05 07:50 AM

500 Nitro

Lots of truth in what you say.

But lots of people also like the most accuracy whether it is needed or not.

Personally, my view is that once we go past a Howa or Ruger in 308 we enter toy land

Mike

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