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alaskan
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Pre-64 vs Dakota
#111296 - 08/08/08 06:15 AM

If you had around $5,000 to spend on a rifle and had to chose between a original pre-64 375 H&H or a used Dakota in 375 H&H which one would you pick.

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peter
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: alaskan]
#111298 - 08/08/08 06:36 AM

i would most likely leave the us-trash by the wayside and get a mauser....

all jokes aside i have heard that the pre-64 is almost as good as a mauser.

and around 5000,-$ i would get a 9,3 chapuis dbl rifle and never look back

best regards

peter

Edited by peter (08/08/08 07:10 AM)

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: alaskan]
#111300 - 08/08/08 06:52 AM

Here is a fine takedown 458 Lott by Dakota from Champlin's--
It will go for more than 5K though--

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CowboyCS
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#111307 - 08/08/08 08:17 AM

For $5000.00 I'd have a custom gun built on a Mauser, not buy somebody else's off the shelf stuff.

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Nakihunter
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: CowboyCS]
#111310 - 08/08/08 09:20 AM

To answer the question specifically, I'd go for the Dakota with the nice wood.

If I had another choice, I'd get a second hand double rifle.

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xausa
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: alaskan]
#111311 - 08/08/08 09:27 AM

If I were you, I would buy this:

http://griffinhowe.com/riflemoreinfo.cfm
Griffin & Howe - Mauser - .300 Wby Mag caliber - $4,750.00

and have G&H rebarrel it to .375 H&H. Have them quote your a price on the rifle with the rebarrel job included. In the past they have come off their asking price on the rifle for me, presumably to get the rebarrelling job. For approximately what you want to spend, you would have a first class custom rifle, superior to either an off the rack Model 70 or a used Dakota.

The last time I checked, G&H was asking $7000 for a custom stock, so you would be getting a complete rifle for less than the current price of a custom stock.

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Ripp
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: xausa]
#111319 - 08/08/08 11:12 AM

I know you can buy a Dakota Action for around $2500..so you could build pretty much any gun caliber you wanted..might run a tad more than 5k depending on stock work, barrel, sites, etc..

Also you could get a custom Empire for somewhere in that range..maybe a bit more..

But to answer your question, I would take the Dakota over the pre-64..

Was at a custom gun makers shop the other day, he had a client use a CZ action and had the guy build a .416 Rigby with a Schneider barrel, safari sights, rework the action, etc..it was still in the white when I saw it..but was impressed with how it looked, felt and worked at the time..total package was going for around $4500.---

Ripp

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Cinghiale
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Ripp]
#111343 - 08/08/08 08:59 PM

I would most definately take a DAKOTA!!!!!

They never made a LH pre 64, more is the pity.

saying that my 404 is on a Mod 70 classic action....

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CptCurl
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Cinghiale]
#111368 - 09/08/08 07:07 AM

I would buy a Win Classic Safari Express .375 and use the leftover $$$ for ammo or a hunting trip.

The pre '64 type controlled round feed action of the "Classic" M70's are as good as a Dakota or a pre '64. They were the best deal going until their demise. I have never understood why they didn't sell better.

Curl

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CptCurl
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: CptCurl]
#111370 - 09/08/08 07:30 AM

Here's one waiting for you:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976972826/Gun...SS_375_H_H.htm#

Curl

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: CptCurl]
#111371 - 09/08/08 07:33 AM

Agree with Curl on Win CRF basics-they get the job done although you can upgrade their components if you wish.Toward the end their accuracy wasn't as good as before.I do have some supergrades that shoot great!

If good(but not great)wood trips your trigger Dakotas are nice and shoot well(got to go for a used rifle for a reasonable price, though)
Here is a nice 375H&H--

Sorry for the picture size--

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Edited by hoppdoc (09/08/08 08:16 AM)

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Cinghiale
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#111390 - 09/08/08 02:19 PM

Nice 375 Hoppdoc,

What are the best things you can do to a Winchester. I am going to put a drop box on my 404 from Sunny Hill but what else?

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EricD
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#111393 - 09/08/08 06:11 PM

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Dakotas are nice and shoot well

I've shot a few Dakotas that were surprisingly inaccurate, despite looking very nice. And have a couple of friends who sold theirs for the same reason. Maybe these were lemons, but I've heard the same from several other people too. This was several years ago, and perhaps their quality control has improved?

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: EricD]
#111400 - 09/08/08 08:54 PM

My Dakota 375 H&H shoots Swift Aframes well--although I can't say markedly better than my 338 Supergrade-around an inch and change at 100. No tack driver but we're talking about a "small club" with a 375H&H.

The extra money for the Dakota is obviously for its appearance/features and the gun is not primarily focused on accuracy.A "showdog" of sorts.But again we're talking DG guns and reliability here not just accuracy.

And yes,you can upgrade the Win 70 action with an extractor and various components as it has evolved since '64.Custom gunmakers do.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....=true#Post90557
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_9_46/ai_64259214
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/catsearch.aspx?c=3137&p=4816

Over all I think the post 64 Win 70 CRF action is great and with minimal changes gets even better!I think a great action to build a DG bolt on!

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Cinghiale
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#111406 - 09/08/08 09:44 PM

Oh dear...
Luckily for my relationship I can not get Brownells to deliver to Australia!!!!

After reading the article about the Zim PH exam I might think about my extractor being replaced as well!!!

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Ripp
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: EricD]
#111441 - 10/08/08 06:41 AM

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Dakotas are nice and shoot well

I've shot a few Dakotas that were surprisingly inaccurate, despite looking very nice. And have a couple of friends who sold theirs for the same reason. Maybe these were lemons, but I've heard the same from several other people too. This was several years ago, and perhaps their quality control has improved?

**Not so sure what is really going on with their company...do know they were in a world of hurt financially a year or two ago...rumors of bankruptcy were floating around..but supposedly they are doing better now...I would think when a company gets in that kind of trouble..more than just the financials suffer..as in quality of workmanship as well..perfect example..look at the horrible stuff sent out the doors by Winchester the last year or two...a sporting goods store here in town had one in a '06 that they bolt would not even open all the day which they sent back..

Do agree.. for a custom gun, Winchesters action are pretty good and would have no problem using one for a custom dangerous game rifle..however with the price they have increased too for a pre-64 action..no so sure how much you will really save if you build your own rifle..using a Winchester rifle versus a Dakota action...

Ripp

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Ripp]
#111482 - 10/08/08 06:24 PM

Found a site where I can get the Post 64 action from FN for $299--

Thinking of getting about three of them for building custom DG guns in the future--

Again these are not pre 64 actions but post 64 unbarreled actions that FN has when they took over Winchesters plant.They may be in poor shape. Dunno if I want to pay and find out.Some of the Winchester stuff was pretty poor toward the end--

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Ripp
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#111516 - 11/08/08 01:34 AM

I have been looking half hazardly for a pre-64--as I really want to build another custom big bore as well...spoke to a custom builder as the SCI show in Reno--he had used a Dakota action..which is what I had based my earlier statement in the thread on...it was awesome..gun was done by Mark Bansner. http://www.bansnersrifle.com/custom_rifles.html --a bit on the spendy side...but the gun was really nice...and balanced perfectly...

Looked at the Montana actions as well--which as supposedly a very good action however need quite a bit of work as well to get them in condition you would want for a custom gun...similar the way a CZ is when ititially purchased..at least the ones I have bought...

Hoppdoc--at that price you really could not get hurt too bad ---IMHO..if that is what you want, I would pick them up...

Ripp

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Edited by Ripp (11/08/08 07:22 AM)

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Ripp]
#111525 - 11/08/08 04:24 AM

Yup, I may do that--
May buy one, have my gunsmith look and see what he thinks of it.

I think I would like to build a 404 DG rifle I could use on stuff in the states as well as abroad.

Sounds like fun to me!!

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Cinghiale
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#112402 - 24/08/08 07:48 PM

Hoppdoc,
Get a 404, they are great I love mine and it is a pussycat to shoot, much nicer than some others in the class.

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Cinghiale]
#112406 - 24/08/08 09:11 PM

A custom 404 sounds like a great DG rifle for Brown Bear--
Nice ballistics with great penetration and quick recovery for follow up shots.May be hard to choose between this and a 375 H&H though!!!

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Cinghiale
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#112414 - 24/08/08 10:00 PM

C'mon Hoppdoc!
The 375 may be more popular and honestly more versatile for most of the game in the world but... 400 grains against an angry browny versus 300 and its also 100 years old next year so hell why not get one for the centenary of the cartridge!!!

More people are getting on the 404 band wagon, and rightly so!!!! With current powders it can hit as hard as the Rigby. At normal velocity it is such a good cartridge for bears in Alaska to buffalo here in the NT.

Do not mean to get on my soap box but the 404 does that too me... you would think it would be something a little more my age like a 375RUM hehe!!! Thanks again for the info on the new Model 70 I can not wait for the LH ones to come out...maybe next year.

PS does this site have any LH Mod 70's??

Stay safe,

MOG

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: Cinghiale]
#112422 - 24/08/08 11:16 PM

Yowsers!!

A 404 is Looking better all the time--

Different but definitely effective on Brown Bear--

Checked and Swift makes a 400 gr A frame for this caliber!!

Sounds like a neat combination if it will shoot.

Guess if you take a Win 70, rebarrel and restock it, express sights,etc,--hmm!

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hoppdoc
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#112426 - 24/08/08 11:54 PM

404, I really like the nostalgia and its effectiveness ---

Being the Devils advocate for a minute--What's the real difference between this and a downloaded 416 Rem mag? about 8-10% more powder capacity? or maybe vs a 416 Ruger(if ever made)?

Bullets would be more available in .416 than .423--

404--unique and a conversation piece, but I dunno---

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westley476
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Re: Pre-64 vs Dakota [Re: hoppdoc]
#115010 - 21/09/08 04:14 AM

Why not buy a CZ 550 mag action for around 500.00, send it to Steve Heilmann for a complete interior polishing, change the trigger, have Pac-Nor barrel and chamber it to the caliber of your choice and then have it stocked. You would be able to put together a very nice rifle for the 5K you have in your budget.

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