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mikeh416Rigby
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Where to go for big Kudu?
      #28414 - 27/03/05 12:27 PM

I've really got a hot nut for big Kudu. Where, in your opinion, and experience are the biggest kudu coming from recently? I like Namibia, and also the Northern Province in South Africa.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28418 - 27/03/05 04:22 PM

The problem with kudu is that they are regularly bought at auction so can pop up in a wide variety of places and you're gonna get a wide variety of suggestions here - but the biggest kudu's I seen regularly are in Tuli Block Botswana..........there are some true monsters. Other choices would be RSA probably close to the Limpopo, Namibia and Zim.........if they haven't all been eaten!

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: shakari]
      #28423 - 28/03/05 01:07 AM

I haven't hunted in Botswana yet, so I can't comment on it. One observation I've had is that in Namibia, there seems to be more diversity of age class in all the animal species. Perhaps it's because of the generally larger sizes of the hunting properties, and as a consequence, the majority of the animals are bred and born there, vs. being purchased at auction as in RSA. What do you think?

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28425 - 28/03/05 01:51 AM

I think maybe it's a lower hunting & predator pressure perhaps.......but it's only my guess. The two areas I mentioned in Tuli haven't bought in kudu for many years and hunting pressure is fairly light but both areas still produce real monsters.

I guess it's probably a mixture of habitat, genetics and many other factors all added together. We should also clarify exactly what type of kudu we're talking about here which as far as my posts are concerned is southern greater kudu.

Incidentally, if you're a fisherman one of these areas is the bees knees. There is a dam below the camp which means that there is always a fair bit of water in the river beside camp. I've caught some real nice fish there and been broken up by some monsters. The next time I go up there I plan to take an uptide caster and try to hook a croc for a bit of extra fun. Even if I don't get into one I reckon the there are catfish there big enough to warrant a rod of that power.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28439 - 28/03/05 09:26 AM

For big kudu I would suggest the Save conservancy of Zimbabwe where you are likely to get a 60" kudu if you work at it, and 57" should present no particular problem.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: 500grains]
      #28441 - 28/03/05 10:53 AM

.............and I'm sure every PH in the area will be cursing you for that comment!

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28451 - 28/03/05 06:28 PM

One of the reasons I picked the Omaruru area of Namibia for a safari last year, was due to its reputation for big Kudu. When I got there, I found out that most of the Kudu on the ranch I was to hunt, as well as neighboring ranches, had died off due to rabies. I thought that odd, but my PH assured me it was rabies and not scabbies.

If you pick Namibia, ask about rabbies.


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28488 - 29/03/05 05:43 AM

Here is a question ? Why does it always have to go to the book how big your kudu is ?

Take for example a guy who has come over to Africa 3 times already and have gone back with good game except kudu. Then again on his 4th trip he could bump into a 60" and bag it or even just a 50" with perfectly matched thick horns. I'm sure that in both cases he will go home happy. My experience with kudu is that you have to count on a lot of luck especially for big kudu.

I'm sure that for instance if you know you have plenty kudu of 50" + on a certain area or property you will pass a 50-52" on the 1st or second day. But your chances are still there that in a whole week that would have been your only chance on kudu. There are better areas for kudu but I think if you really want a big kudu book a hunt to find that kudu and hunt hard for it. And take the rest as they come if he looks good and you like him take him.
Kudu hunting is always good and for a gracefull animal like that he deserves to be hunted hard.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: shakari]
      #28495 - 29/03/05 08:39 AM

In reply to:

Originally posted by Shakari:

.............and I'm sure every PH in the area will be cursing you for that comment!




Perhaps, but while on Save, although not specifically hunting kudu I saw 55+" kudu every day, probably 3 or 4 57+" kudu during the trip, one 60" (shot & killed) and one about 58-59" (not shot). The PH got sick and tired of me asking, "Should I shoot that one? How big is it?"

We put in about an hour and a half of hunting to turn up the 60". But that's hunting. Next time if I were after kudu I might not see anything bigger than 45" in 3 weeks of diligent hunting.


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: 500grains]
      #28548 - 29/03/05 08:24 PM

I have been in Zim a couple of times but never really came across any spectacular kudu.You get 54's and 55's but that was it.In the Northern Province South-Africa I have seen big daddys but they are only so big because they are so clever.You will get big ones there.From pics I saw of kudu hunted in the Easten Cape South-Africa you also stand very good chances of shooting good bulls.I have never been to Namibia but my first hunt there is booked and I am going for the last week of May.I'll report back on Kudu.I'll go for one there and I am looking for Giraffe,Eland and Springbuck.I'll see what happens.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: 500grains]
      #28564 - 30/03/05 01:52 AM

I agree on the Save Kudu observations. There's a lot of habitat there and littl pressure (the lions seem to get the ones with the biggest horns). I believe it's largely habitat - like whitetail in the US - they have a chance to get old and "grow horns."

I had no fewer than 5 over the course of a 2-week hunt that the PH said would go into the high 50's. These were largely Kudu we stumbled into, as we weren't really looking specificically for them.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: Bigfive]
      #28586 - 30/03/05 06:04 AM

I'll be in Namibia hunting on a 850,000 acre conservancy, from the 15th through the 24th of May. It's a tented camp, which I'm really looking forward to, as until now, I've always been lodged in rondavals or in a farm house or lodge. We'll be just west of Etosha. I'll be hunting Giraffe, Mt. Zebra, Gemsbok, and Springbok. If we have time, and we see an absolute monster of a Kudu, I'll certainly make a effort to take it. When my P.H. asked me how big a Kudu I was looking for, I told him that when he sees it, and says "Oh my God! Shoot that Kudu now!", I'll know he's big enough. My outfitters web site is www.fultonclassicsafaris.com


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28601 - 30/03/05 10:54 AM

And so goes the quest for the holy grail of spiral horned antelope...

The biggest Kudu in the world were once in Mozambique, nobody challanged that, but is that gene pool still there, I have no clue....The area from Doma to Chinhoyi Zimbabwe used to produce the biggest Kudu I have seen, but they too have probably been killed out for meat...

Nobody can answer that question, but I would pick the high, almost inaccessible mountain country of the Northern province of RSA, if I wanted a record book Kudu. I would pack in on a foot safari and plan on a long stay...


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #28618 - 30/03/05 04:47 PM

I am going there from 23 to 29 May.Good luck with that Kudu.I'll see if I am lucky to get one of those.Your explanation on how big the kudu must be is very good and it will work.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: Bigfive]
      #28803 - 02/04/05 11:24 AM

Finding and hunting a really big kudu is an achievement of a lifetime for some, and a matter of luck or chance for others. There are a few requirements to have really big kudu present in any area:
1. The gene pool of kudu in the area needs to have a tendency to have big kudu.
2. The habitat needs to have all the right minerals & nutrients in sufficient quantity to ensure good growth of horns.
3. A lot of time required for a kudu to grow really old and become a worthy trophy.
While the first two requirements are probably met in a number of areas it is the 3rd that trips up so many areas. Hunting pressure from trophy hunters makes it almost impossible for a PH to have his client pass up an opportunity to get a kudu in the high 50's, even if it is still a relative youngster. I've seen so many young, judged by lack of any real "ivory" and sharpness of the horns, kudu proudly posted as trophies to make me sick. These breeding age kudu should be left to spread the genes required to grow real big horns, but are then harvested by eager clients at the OK of PH's under pressure to produce inches! It really represents a sorry state of affairs.

As hunting outfitter I am constantly on the lookout for concessions where there has been limited or no hunting for a number of years. These come up from a variety of reasons: Former military training grounds, insolvent estates, estates of deceased ground owners where there was a long delay in settling the estate affairs and from a few "old farmers" who did not allow hunting for a long time are a few examples of the possible history of such prime areas. IMHO it is largely at these concessions that were not hunted for many years where a client is likely to get a really worthwhile kudu with thick horns, old long ivory, worn horn-tips and big body with almost bald skin that makes a kudu real trophy in my book!

Just itching to go hunting again.

Andrew McLaren




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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: McLarenSafaris]
      #28813 - 02/04/05 03:24 PM

I was pleased with this one after an hour and a half of hunting.



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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: SBT]
      #29031 - 07/04/05 03:55 AM

SBT

Rabies hit any animal. If rabies break out, it will kill most of the animals which could have been beaten by a carnivorous or a vampire-bat, not Kudu only.


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: larcher]
      #29033 - 07/04/05 03:58 AM

OOOPSSSS

SBT

Rabies hit any animal. If rabies breaks out, it will kill most of the animals which could have been bitten by a carnivorous or a vampire-bat, not Kudu only.



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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: 500grains]
      #29036 - 07/04/05 07:27 AM

I would be too. That's a hell of a bull!

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: larcher]
      #29292 - 11/04/05 03:52 AM

There was a major outbreak of rabies amongst kudu on the highlands west of Windhoek in Namibia in 1980. The local farmers told me then that when a kudu cow gets rabies, she comes in a "pseudo-mating season". She then infects a large number of bulls! I don't know if there is any real scintific truth to the story, but many of the Khomas-Hochland ranch owners said the same thing.

In good kudu hunting.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #29334 - 12/04/05 08:09 AM

Mike: I am new to this site ,as a matter of fact this is my first post.I was reading thru the posts to this thread and read where you are going to Namibia in May, just outside of Etosha. May I be so bold as to ask with whom?
I've heard many good things about Jan duPlessis whom owns his own safari outfit now as well as doing the PH work. He is about 5 hrs nw of Windhoek. He operates in the Loxodonta Africana Conservancy (700,000 acres)and it is well known for large Kudu and Springbuck.
I would like to hear more of your trip and plans for it. Please keep me updated as I am going in late August. Terry

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: terry]
      #29338 - 12/04/05 09:28 AM

terry, first of all, welcome to the forum. This is an excellent place to educate, get educated, have some fun, get picked on from time to time, and help fulfill life.

I'll be hunting with Vaughan Fulton www.fultonclassicsafaris.com The conservancy he has exclusive hunting rights on is almost 850,000 acres, and actually borders Etosha on the West, and Northwest. It is a tented camp, and has running water and flush toilets in the tents, along with beds, wardrobe, and writing desk. It should be a lot of fun. I leave in 29 days.

Jan is someone I've heard a lot of good things about over the years. Most outfitters and P.H.s in Namibia are straight up guys. He also has good Gemsbok in his area. Take a good and warm jacket with you, as well as a wool or fleece sweater with a wind proof liner, a down vest, leather gloves, wool balaclava, and lots of sun screen and skin moisturizer. In August, the mornings and nights are very cold-right around freezing. When you are riding in the back of the hunting baakie in the hours around dawn and sunset, traveling 30-50 miles and hour, the wind chill will be around 0! Dress in layers, because by 10:00 you'll be in shirt sleeves or a light jacket. The sun is brutal-use sun screen!!!!! The air is very dry. Remember, they make biltong by drying the meat in the shade. Think what the sun can do to your skin. Don't pack too many clothes-your laundry will be done for you every day-even your underwear and socks will come back neatly pressed. Three sets of dark khaki, long sleeve shirts (you can always roll up the sleeves), and pants, 5 sets of underwear, 1 pair of long underwear, 5 pairs of hunting socks, 2 baseball type caps, 2 pair of well broken-in hunting boots, and the above mentioned outerwear will have you set. You don't need a .375 H&H for plains game. IMO all that's needed is something in the 30:06 class with a premium 180-200 grain bullet is all that's needed. Don't use Ballistic Tip type bullets. You want a bullet that will exit the animal from almost any angle. Top your rifle off with a good quality scope in something like a 3 X 9 or 2.5 X 8 and leave it on its lowest power setting while you are hunting. You can always turn up the power for a shot later, if you need to. Personally, I use a 1.75 X 6 Leupold, and have never needed anything stronger. I shoot a .375 H&H Ackley Improved. Not because I have to, but I just love the rifle/scope/cartridge combination.

By the way, this is a Malaria area, although the time of year you are going the chances of even seeing a mosquito are slim. However, don't risk it. Take your Malaria Prophalaxis. I suggest Malarone. I used to take Larium, but I had some problems with it. Take a broad spectrum anti-biotic, and also some Doxycycline (SP)just in case you're unfortunate enough to contract tick fever. The Doxy will knock it out quickly.

If you don't have your tickets yet, may I suggest you use the services of Kathi Klimes at World Travel Mart kathi@wldtravel.com 708-425-3552. She's a pleasure to work with, and really got me a good rate. I'm flying from Atlanta, to Johannesburg, to Windhoek on SAA. I'll also be using the services of a company called Optima Services in Johannesburg. For $60.00 they will meet you as you're coming off the plane, escort you into the airport, to the departure area, collect your luggage and rifle case, and hand carry them to the connecting flight to Windhoek, and personally put them on the plane. Then they'll do the same thing for you when you return from Windhoek. I think it's money well spent. Kathi can arrange the service for you.

My only other suggestion would be to take a camera, lots of film, and just relax, have a good time, and trust your P.H.

If you need any other information, just ask. I'm always glad to help.

terry, please do the members a favor and update your profile with a little personal information. At the very least, let us know where you're from. Thanks




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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #29376 - 12/04/05 11:34 PM

Mike416: actually I live near you! Originally from Hamburg now Northampton. Married to a gal from Topton.

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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: terry]
      #29381 - 13/04/05 02:06 AM

I'm originally from West Lawn, and now live about 8 miles
West of Boyertown. I work for Yellow Book USA, and our office is on RT. 222 in Blandon. Northampton is part of my sales territory. We should get together. What do you think?


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Re: Where to go for big Kudu? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #29382 - 13/04/05 02:56 AM

sure why not, weekdays are hard for me but weekends are good. let me know when /where. T.

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