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Hello everyone i cant believe the BS they are saying about mark suliivan on accurate reloading ive spoken to mark sullivan many many times hes a good person and in my opinion a great ph i would rank him in the top 5 phs in the world, all the assumtions and lies are just terrible its character assasination and the morons that are saying that stuff sound so stupid they would not have the balls to walk up to a wounded buffalo like mark, one guy said that mark was gay whats that all about and another thing is that marks movies are the real deal there is no editing what you see is what you get,they make it sound like mark has a meeting with the cape buffalos and the hippos and tells them when to charge for the camera thats just insane i have all of marks movies and his book and they are all good, ive also have spoken to some of his clients and not one had a bad safari with mark, anyway have a nice christmas and new year all the best.........

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"capebuf"

Why not discuss it with those guys there if you have such strong opinions on what the various guys there say.

Its probably better we let the goings on over there stay over there and have our own discussions here.

But the guy saying MS is "gay" and all the crap, without evuidence, would be asked to refrain from such slander on NE. I'm not into letting a forum be turned into a character assasination fest. Prefer we discuss real hunting and shooting topics instead.

Everyone has their own opinion. And someone like Mark Sullivan always seems to generate a strong opinion either way. Which is fair enough. Shows he can market himself so he gets good market awareness.

Myself I listen to people that have actual first hand experience of hunting with him, VS what his videos show. Videos are light entertainment and designed to be that way.


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Edited by NitroX (22/12/06 06:06 PM)

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let me ask you this in your opinion who is your top ph.

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nitrox i have discussed it over there i just seen the topic here on mark sullivan ive gave my opinion and im done have a nice christmas and new year all the best.........

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capebuf and other members, see my reasoning below.

Look if people want to say MS is unethical because it their opinion he doesn't finish off game fast enough or instruct the client to do so, that is fair enough. That is their opinion and they are entitled to it.

I haven't seen any of the latest videos BTW, the last I think was "Sudden Death". Maybe later ones are different.

If they say he encourages charges, or manipulates them, based on the evidence of the videos, that can't be far from the truth.

To encourage a charge a particular formula might be used. A buffalo that is not dead, maybe lung shot. It need not be gut shot at all. Buffalo don't die instantly unless the spine or brain are hit. Then approach the beast on the ground front on, preferably with wind going towards them. Most PHs ALWAYS advise approaching from behind a downed buffalo for that reason. Because it is dangerous to approach an alive beast from the front.

I'm definitely no expert at all and don't pretend to be one.

If they say he shoots too many of his clients animals, based ONLY on the video footage, then I understand that view.

If they say they don't like the way he speaks, or how he boasts etc on videos, fair enough too. Its their opinion.

But it is not on to start slandering a guy eg calling him "gay". That is just moronic and childish.

If they invent nasty 'gossip' or things they have "heard", they should be able to elaborate with some facts to back it up. Lots of competitors often say things about other outfitters, guess why? In fact it is easy to get almost every PH to start bagging the opposition with the right prompts.

My main two points I take into account are:
1. Videos are edited film footage. They are made to sell videos. They aren't exactly representative of how all client hunts go. Not having first hand experience I reserve judgement.

I will probably never have first hand personal experience either as I won't be booking with him.

2. As for first hand experience, or really second hand experience, all of his clients (two or three) that have spoken up on the internet discussions seem to say his safaris are done well and they all have been happy. Many re-book. Satisfied clients are a big drawcard.

Until someone comes up with an actual first-hand experience of a negative kind, well then that would be different.

My main reason for posting the reply to 'capebuf' was I have no intention of NE to become an AR bashing forum. We have always had the 'informal' policy of not bringing any issues overthere to here and hopefully vice-versa. Actually we have had known AR 'trolls' on here that have joined in here constructively and enjoyed this forum as a result in a positive manner. Lets keep it that way.

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I think it was two years ago when Mark brought his lead tracker to the show with him and you could see that this guy hadn't been this far from home and it was probably his first time off of the Dark Continent. It was obvious that those clients who had hunted with Mark and his team remembered this tracker and were just as pleased to see him as they were to see Mark. I dont know MS at all, other than to nod and say hello in the aisles of the shows, but from what I see, he seems a very poilte and attentive fellow.

as an aside, the tracker was not of much assistance to Mark in the booth as he was entirely out of his element, but it was more than obvious that he was happy as hell to be there and I thought it was a class act on MS part to have brought him to see the "other side of the hunt"

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