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mickey
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Boomer]
      #58716 - 13/06/06 11:03 AM

Does his contract still stipulate that he owns the rights to all photos and video taken on the hunt?

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bulldog563
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: mickey]
      #58720 - 13/06/06 11:53 AM

His prices do not seem all that expensive to me.

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Boomer
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: mickey]
      #59016 - 19/06/06 01:19 PM

I was asked to sign a "Model Release", so I believe the answer is yes.

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shakari
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Boomer]
      #59021 - 19/06/06 03:16 PM

You need to look very carefully indeed at Tanzania pricing. There are a lot of odds and sods that can add up on the bottom line. One company may include all the rifle import, permit fees, conservation fees, dip and pack & Gvt export fee etc and another may not include any of those in the quoted price.........

I'd recommend you look at the bottom line price for whatever type of hunt you want and then compare it to similar packages from a variety of companies.

Also check the contract carefully for name of PH you'll be hunting with etc.

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Edited by shakari (19/06/06 03:18 PM)

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OWD
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: shakari]
      #59905 - 13/07/06 08:50 AM

What's the deal with this guy, anyway? There's a lot of bombast and BS on his site:

"I would instead go back even farther to when man and beast could fight to the death, and the victor would respect his opponent's loss."

and

"Rather than deciding the fate of a wounded Cape buffalo by simply blasting him into oblivion on the follow-up, I would confront the grand warrior with my double rifle, and beckon him to choose his own destiny."

What a joke - it's like a parody of a bad Hemingway parody.

Is he intentionally wounding the animals instead of doing his best to drop them dead as quickly as possible?

And if he's so tough, why is he using a gun? If he really wants to to "...go back even father...," why doesn't he use a spear?

That's how the Africans did it for a very long time.

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500grains
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: OWD]
      #59969 - 15/07/06 02:10 AM

I like the way some Africans used to hunt buffalo. They would track a dagga boy at a jog for 30 miles or so until the dagga boy was so winded he just stood and stared at the Africans. Then they speared him in the lungs.

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iqbal
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: armbar]
      #59983 - 15/07/06 04:55 PM

You are absolutely right.What I do'nt like about this chap is that he shoots along with the client sometimes even before him and then praises the client.

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Grizzly
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: iqbal]
      #60126 - 19/07/06 10:19 AM

The guy is a salesman. No doubt he is a good shot, but he has apparently never heard of a hangfire or a dud.

Rifles are for reaching out and touching your quarry. Eliminating the need to provoke a charge.

I read his book, and the "I'll let the animal decide how it wants to die" is circus BS.

I can imagine this guy going about a normal day...

"I staked out a table at a nice restaurant. Rather than dictate the cooking method, I decided to let the cook decide how he wants to fry"

"I was seated in 4F on a Boeing 767. Rather than visit with the crew, I decided to let the pilot decide how he wants to fly".

"Shopping with my wife, I decided to let her decide how she wants to buy"

Let's add to it.

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Marrakai
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Grizzly]
      #60132 - 19/07/06 08:09 PM

I've alread decided how I'm going to sigh!

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Boomer
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Marrakai]
      #60785 - 04/08/06 06:29 AM

I've just returned home after a month in Tanzania, and 10 days hunting with Mark Sullivan. The trip in general and the hunting in particular was beyond my wildest expectations. I paid for the thrills and got them.

Mark Sullivan in person is down to earth and personable, but his take-charge personality quickly instills a feeling of confidence from his clients. He is extremely knowledgeable concerning all subjects pertinent to African hunting. We did not agree on all points, but what fun would that be? And hunting with Mark is fun! He has a good crew, and takes pride in them. Ali has been his tracker for a dozen years.

Given the opportunity, I will hunt again with Mark Sullivan! His detractors don't seem to understand that most folks who hunt with Mark want to book again. I can only conclude that many of those who criticize Sullivan, are actually critical of the persona in the videos, although there are those who know better and are critical from a position of professional jealousy. Mark remains unconcerned about the mud slinging. He will not participate on the forums, although I have urged him to, because frankly some of the stuff over at AR can get pretty nasty. "There is no bad publicity - it all sells videos." (MS) Mark has chosen to become a public figure, and as such he accepts that there will be slings and arrows.

Here are a couple of points for those who might be interested. Mark did not use his .600 Nitro last year or this year. It developed a habit of doubling, so he has returned to the .577 and is attempting to get the problem resolved. Also, there is a new book in the works, although I am unsure when it is due for release.

I will post the details of our trip on it's own thread.



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Preacher
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Grizzly]
      #60792 - 04/08/06 08:05 AM

What it really make me nervous is the way this gentleman speaks to clients (at least to the ones shown on videos). Just about like their were 6 y.o. kids. Placing his hand on the clientīs shoulder and giving some stupid explanations worth of abnormal people.
That kind of safari are bloody expensive to turn it into a hunting lesson.
Let the client hunt a little, and if heīs going wrong someway, then correct, and if an animal charges, then stop it. Thatīs what this man is paid for. But this is a wide spread defect of many phīs, for whose the client doesnīt seem to be of any importance.
Wounding for provocation and things like that donīt worth comments.

p.s: I though have the hope that this man does not really act that way in non-filmed safaris or with unwilling clients.

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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Boomer]
      #60836 - 05/08/06 10:23 AM

In reply to:

"There is no bad publicity - it all sells videos."



Yep, taking his clients on safari is only an avenue for his true interest in selling videos.

He says the same thing in that "book" he wrote.

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JPK
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: clark7781]
      #60949 - 08/08/06 01:15 PM

Thys sidelocks have intercepting sears so that they cannot double without the shooter making significant enough contact with the second trigger to disable the intercepting sear. The problem lies with the shooter, and his grip. In his videoes MS shows a relaxed grip on his rifles. I bet its the significant recoil from the 600 and the lax grip that are the issues.

JPK

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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: JPK]
      #61081 - 12/08/06 02:03 PM

JPK,
I guess you could be right, but I think the guy has been shooting big doubles for long enough to be able to evaluate whether the fault lies with the gun or the shooter.
Regarding the intercepting sears, these don't really prevent a double rifle from doubling.
They can prevent a double rifle from double discharge by catching the second barrels tumbler before it can reach the striker, but in that situation the guns action has still 'doubled' in that the second barrels sear has been accidentally jarred free from the firing of the first barrel.


There is a scene in one of his films where it appears that this may have happened where, after the first shot, the left barrel won't fire and when the gun is broken a fully loaded round is ejected(from the left barrel).

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bulldog563
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: 4seventy]
      #61114 - 13/08/06 06:10 PM

Does anyone know if the rumor that he downloads his big boomers? I have heard people say he downloads his 600 to 1500-1600fps but don't know whether they are full of it or not (I'm guessing it is the former).

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Boomer
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: bulldog563]
      #61124 - 14/08/06 01:33 AM

If my experience is any indication MS does not down load his ammo. The box of 570 gr. X's I used in his .500 were loaded with 87.0 grs. of IMR 3031 - with a claimed velocity of 2150 fps, although I am unsure if the velocity was measured or calculated. However, when compared to the loading data I have it must be very close to that figure. The X I recovered from my buff was fully expanded, and made a pronounced lump on the far side of the buff on a quartering towards shot. As close as I can figure, that bullet penetrated about 4' of buffalo. Down loaded? I don't think so.

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DaktariT
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Re: Mark Sullivan [Re: Boomer]
      #61172 - 15/08/06 05:21 AM

I've watched his videos and enojoyed them, though I do get tired of his "commentary" especially his over used line about choosing how to die. That actually became a running gag on my hunt in the Selous last month.

What's the difference between Chuck Norris and Mark Sullivan? Chuck Norris doesn't let you choose how your going to die!

That line was good for many a laugh around the fire pit - of course a bottle of Bushmills helps to see the humor.

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