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BFaucett
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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #81079 - 21/06/07 11:38 AM

Mehul,

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: BFaucett]
      #82291 - 12/07/07 09:16 AM

There is one advantage that 318WR has over both 7.92mm Mauser and .30'06. That is that it is not classified as a "military calibre". Therefore it is legal in those countries - such as France - where the civilian possession of arms in a military calbre (no matter how obsolete) is prohibited.

Despite the fact that 7.92mm Mauser went into the history books as a military calibre in 1945 (excepting the BESA) and .303" and .30'06 in the 1950s in France these are still prohibited.

Indeed in France where .308 Winchester is prohibited the 7mm-08 is its most popular lawful substitute.

However as a non-military replacement for 7.92mm Mauser or .30'06 I would believe that the "wildcat" 8mm'06 would be better than the .318WR.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: enfieldspares]
      #82364 - 13/07/07 01:15 PM

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There is one advantage that 318WR has over both 7.92mm Mauser and .30'06. That is that it is not classified as a "military calibre". Therefore it is legal in those countries - such as France - where the civilian possession of arms in a military calbre (no matter how obsolete) is prohibited.

Despite the fact that 7.92mm Mauser went into the history books as a military calibre in 1945 (excepting the BESA) and .303" and .30'06 in the 1950s in France these are still prohibited.

Indeed in France where .308 Winchester is prohibited the 7mm-08 is its most popular lawful substitute.

However as a non-military replacement for 7.92mm Mauser or .30'06 I would believe that the "wildcat" 8mm'06 would be better than the .318WR.



Great point, except that the 7.92 was a machinegun and/or sniping caliber in Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Romania up till very recently. Might still be in service in Czech Republic and Slovakia, I don't know. But your point is well taken about the .318.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #82367 - 13/07/07 01:33 PM

8x60 magnum and it's rimmed counterpart share the same 'sporting only' distinction of the 318WR



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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #84782 - 28/08/07 12:40 PM

It is easy to fire form 30-06 case converting them to 318 W-R. Trim the 30-06 cases to 2.385, prime them, load 11 grains of Bulleyes pistol powder, fill remaining space with cream of wheat, and plug the case neck. I stick the case into a bar of soap and when you remove the case the soap will plug the neck holding the content in place until the round is fired.

Fire the loaded case out of your 318 and you will be left with cases fire formed to the chamber of your 318. It is a little messy but simple.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #104651 - 10/05/08 01:36 AM

I meant .339 grooves. My mistake.

Edited by gunsmith (10/05/08 02:10 AM)

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: gunsmith]
      #104882 - 12/05/08 06:48 PM

As has been stated, unless you had an original 318 WR to reload for there are easier ways to tread this path, the 338-06 is a very common wildcat in the USA & now that it has been legitimised by A squared as the 338-06 A squared you can get brass for it from Nosler or Norma, at a price, but a single pass through a full length die with a tapered expander with a 30-06 case & you're in business. Stacks of bullets to choose from & most manuals have data for it. Load it up with a 250 grain bullet, &vif you squint a bit it looks just like a 318 WR.
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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #105338 - 17/05/08 05:08 AM

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I'm wondering if anyone here has chronographed any Kynoch loads and what the actual performance of the cartridge was.



I have not, but Boddington has. He states (Safari Rifles, p. 44):
"- - - I chronographed several batches of old Kynoch ammo, and the velocities I got weren't even close - the 250-grain loads didn't come up to 2,200 fps. One has to wonder if that was because the ammo was half a century old, or if it ever reached published velocities."

According to Boddington, the factory figure was 2,400 fps.
Kynamco still quotes the same figure of 2,400 fps - in a 28" barrel! Kynamco site
I seem to recollect that WR often fitted their bolt-action rifles with quite unnecessarily long barrels which would explain this. But, really - 28"? C'mon!

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: Schauckis]
      #105350 - 17/05/08 07:28 AM

I have a Mauser 1930 catalog reprint and it lists the velocity of the .318 Westley Richards with a 250 gr bullet as 2230fps out of a 23.6" (600 mm) barrel. The brand of ammunition is not given.

Interestingly, Woodleigh's catalog states that 2250 fps is attainable with their 250 gr bullet out of the 8x57JS.



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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: BFaucett]
      #105360 - 17/05/08 09:16 AM

Well, the 318 WR was used by the "military".

British Snipers used it some in WWI.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: NE450No2]
      #105361 - 17/05/08 09:23 AM

Also I fine it kind of funny that the French did not mind "Foreigners" bringing in "military" calibres @ 1916, and again @ 1942.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: shinz]
      #105364 - 17/05/08 10:44 AM

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&vif you squint a bit it looks just like a 318 WR.
Steve.



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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: BFaucett]
      #105547 - 19/05/08 08:17 AM

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Interestingly, Woodleigh's catalog states that 2250 fps is attainable with their 250 gr bullet out of the 8x57JS.



Mighty interesting, indeed!

I had about a year ago (or thereabouts) a discussion on this forum re. reboring an old Win m/ 1895 and asked for caliber suggestions. One caliber then suggested was the "new" German 8,5x63R (.338") which is based on the 7x65R case. Apparently, one reason for the development of this caliber is the fact that there are few heavier than 224grs slugs available in 8mm (.323") and higher sectional density was desired. Which is true, but if there is one good bullet and it's readily available, that's plenty.

I'd be very keen to try out this bullet in 8,2x53R. The CIP pressure for the x53mm is quite a bit lower than that of the rimmed Mauser's. Sako, however, loads the x53mm equally hot to the rimless Mauser and hotter than the rimmed Mauser. The CIP pressure of the x53R is a tad higher than that of the rimmed 8mm Mauser.

I have load data for the 220grs bullet - that ought to achieve 2,200fps without any pressure risk or problems.

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Re: .318 WR vs 8X57, etc... [Re: Schauckis]
      #105625 - 20/05/08 01:16 AM

My M98's in 8mm Mauser, with 23.4" barrels easily dis 2,400fps with 225gr.Speer bullets and N204 powder. This means they should do the same speeds with Reloader #19 or #22, which ever is equivalent or the same & likely several other modern powders as well.
: The .318WR and 8mmMauser are so close as to not really show any difference ballistically that I can see. the 8mm certainly has the advantage in bullet availability and selection unless you're into 'drawing' .338" bullets if you have to.
: The 8mm/06 is an easy conversion anyone can do at home and since the shoduler is being moved forward, the tube doesn't even have to be removed and your easily loaded ammo being used for a headspace gauge.

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