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Karl
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9.3 x 64 project opinions
      #230217 - 19/05/13 08:31 PM

Thinking of doing a 9.3x64 mid range working quality gun on a CRF action and looking for opinions?

One idea is a CZ550 conversion as its 'nice' without being overly expensive and also I have several Cz' so its a bit of a collectors theme for me. There are rarely ever any 9.3 x62 CZ550's avaialble in country and being in a bit of a hurry considering a CZ classic in 3006 or 270 win as start point with new barrel. Any suggestions or thoughts on this conversion, also good barrel makers in .366?

I would also consider any other relatively cheap conversions that end up in character for this cartridge. Of the existing 9.3x62's out there which seem the easiest route the Zasatava 9.3 I'm not too keen on, the stocks are obviously pretty so-so, though what price could someone get a half decent one to replace it? The sako85 has a typically continental overly complicated detach magazine I can't stand- being you need both hands on it squeezing different latches to release it. The other continental offerings like the Voere, Haenel and Rossler 9.3's I am also predicting in advance will have some kind of annoying low capacity frigging detatch mag

I'd most like a fixed box with at least 5 down capacity and prepared to pay the dollars in this one area to redesign the magazine. I know a good gunsmith can do this on a CZ550 for the right money but if there is a cheaper more obvious option out there willing to consider it instead...

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: Karl]
      #230221 - 19/05/13 10:16 PM

Karl,
a lot depends on where you live, if you're not choosey as to which action/barrel you want then you can get a good deal along the way - too many options out there really!
I started my 9.3x64 back in the mid '80s, took years to get a decent barrel (Donnelly barrel I think it was, cobbled it to a Mark X action & fitted it to a Parker Hale stock. Took years to get it going - much easier getting barrels etc now-a-days! Prefer TSE barrels here in Oz, Lothar Walter are very good also!
If you don't mind my suggestion, I would save for a CZ / Tikka in 9.3x62 & then its just a rechambering job basically. Regardless you will still need to do some action work from a "standard" action (open feed rails & bolt face a little).
Otherwise you're going to need to buy a donor rifle, rebarrel, sights etc - more cost & greater build time.
As far a capacity, the best I can fit in the Mark X is three cartridges & that's pushing it!
The CZ & Tikka (if I remember correctly) have a capacity of 3 standard magnum rounds, you might squeeze 4 into the CZ if you're lucky, but you get 5 in for a 62!
Best to get your rounds & try on a friend's rifle if you can first.
If you're after Bottom metal - refer Custom Gun & rifle (USA) email:- duane@customgunandrifle.com .
Best of luck on the build, its a great cartridge & does it more efficiently than the .375H&H!
Cheers
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tasso
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 93x64mm]
      #230227 - 20/05/13 12:19 AM

I can get 4 down in the mag on my Mark X.

tasso

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: tasso]
      #230229 - 20/05/13 12:24 AM

I had one on a FN Mauser action . No problem to put 5 rounds in the magazine .

The 9,3x64 is a cartridge for a Mauser action !

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500Nitro
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: grandveneur]
      #230230 - 20/05/13 12:27 AM


Karl

I agree with Grandveneur.


FN or some other Mauser action.

For some reason, I have a nagging thought
that the CZ550 is just a bit big and heavy
for it.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230231 - 20/05/13 12:58 AM

With a .496" rim diameter, one would be better to start with a standard chambering, then do the work, opening up the bolt face and maybe some rail work.
I agree with a Mauser Action - a Zastava would be a good place to start - perhaps.
A re-chambered (& re-stocked) 9.3x62 with the necessary bolt work would be the cheapest avenue - a 9.3x62 Zastava would be one way.
Re-stocking and action work, brings out as much of a 'custom' rifle as desired.

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500Nitro
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: DarylS]
      #230236 - 20/05/13 03:08 AM


I have a Frankonia 9.3x64 built on a Mauser 98 action
so obviously Factory rifles were made like this.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230240 - 20/05/13 03:39 AM

Karl,
BRNO made the ZKK 600 in 9,3x64 and for me it seems a perfect foundation for the kind of rifle you are searching.
Zastava are not in the same league and their overall quality is not as good as their "look"…
Consider also the excellent and superbly made FN made before the ninety, some were chambered for the great Brenneke 9,3.
I have owned one in 8x60S at the end of the sixties and my first custom built rifle was based on a 9,3x64 FN.

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500Nitro
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: DORLEAC]
      #230241 - 20/05/13 03:44 AM


Dorleac

I have never seen a ZKK600 in 64.

Was that a one off production run
or a standard calibre ?

Are you also saying FN made Factory rifles in 64 ?

Either of those would be nice.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230244 - 20/05/13 03:50 AM

May be he means FN Mauser actions ?

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: grandveneur]
      #230245 - 20/05/13 04:30 AM

Quote:

I have never seen a ZKK600 in 64



Here is two:

http://xaphpbp.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3949978&PHPSESSID=b4995185dfecdf20e889f27874e9fe53

http://www.waffen-bautz.de/index.pl/brnner_zkk_600

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500Nitro
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230248 - 20/05/13 04:45 AM


Thanks

That first one is only Aus $340.

I think it might be missing the peep sight ?????

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230249 - 20/05/13 06:12 AM

Grab the ZKK - which ever one!
Never heard of a ZKK600 in 9.3x64, in the smaller 62 yes & if I'm correct it was also made in the 10.75x68mm?
It must have been just a "European" offering only, not the market or numbers here in Oz!
I had one in 7x64 - still regret selling it, problem is it (partly) financed getting my .404!
Bugger had the peep sight too!
Difficult choice to make Karl.
Like grandveneur I started with a Mauser - primarily because that is what Mr Wilhelm Brenneke used, more options if you go via the Mauser route though. Buy the bottom metal later, sights, scope etc in stages.
Best of luck with the project - glad to see someone's recognising a great calibre!
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 93x64mm]
      #230250 - 20/05/13 06:20 AM


"Bugger had the peep sight too!"

Wasn't it good when people didn't know much
and you occasionally found a Brno on the shelf
with a peep sight, even if it was a bit more
expensive than one without.

Now, if one hits the market, bang, gone in
10 seconds flat.

I wish they could work out of low cost way
of putting them back on the guns, they were
superb the way they folded away.


Agree, if Mauser was good enough for Brenneke,
it is good enough for anyone else !

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230252 - 20/05/13 07:15 AM

ZKK 600 9,3x64 are quite common and we have encountered many of them, the majority of the first type, fitted with Brno peep sight.
We have a customer, PH in West Africa, who uses two of these rifles from at least thirty years !
In the sixties and seventies FN chambered its Mauser type rifle in 9,3x64 and furnished barreled actions for the new Brenneke rifles sold circa 1980.
All good 8x68S Mauser actioned rifle produced in Germany or Belgium could be easily re-barreled to 9,3x64 as could the 10,75x68 made on FN barreled actions and sold by Humbert in France, Raick Frères in Belgium...etc.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: DORLEAC]
      #230253 - 20/05/13 07:27 AM


Dorleac

Sounds interesting. Maybe not many of these guns
have ever left Europe as you don't see too many
around, that's for sure, the US or Australia / NZ.

That's why I was surprised when I was offered
a Frankonia in 9.3 x 64 here in Aus so grabbed
it straight away.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230254 - 20/05/13 07:44 AM

There are a few Mauser '98's marked R.Famage 1952 floating around Oz atm.

These are/were 30-06 rifles with a small notch in the top of the front receiver and the correct magazine length for a .30-06 with spitzer. I believe they may also have the full 'C' ring if that is important to you.

The initial outlay may be less than a ZKK. Safely re-worked, it then gets down to how much the gun smithing is going to cost.

I have seen Tony Small http://nickalguns.net/ extend a magazine ( it is quite simple to do ) and he may have pictures of it still. He can also make up the correct magazine spring length.

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Karl
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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: tophet1]
      #230269 - 20/05/13 03:25 PM

Gents thanks for the comprehensive replies and great to see there is a fan base for the 9.3 x64!

I haven't had much time to research all the options mentioned and will continue to do so.But I am sort of leaning early toward the Zastava 9.3 x62 conversion now- a lot related to its availability ,low cost, simplicity of conversion, and from what I have breifly read options of aftermarketing it with stocks etc if need be.

Also regards suggestions above of FN mauser I read the zastava is very similar and they actually took over FN's operation/equipment at some stage, is this at all correct??? This is sort of a winner for me as well, that the 9.3 will belong in an action looking like this, even if its the poor mans version.

Lastly any general views on extending the magazine box if I did fo with the zastava. 5 down is paramount for me. I know for a price a good gunsmith can probably do it one way or the other -but any aftermarket options/cannabilised parts I can use to make it easier/cheaper would be good to hear of??

Feel free to hit me with any advice, its good to hear more about this cartridge in general.

I am in QLD these days by the way, have to change my old location

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: Karl]
      #230271 - 20/05/13 05:24 PM

Quote:

5 down is paramount for me.

You should have quite a fat stock in magazine area if want so many.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: Karl]
      #230275 - 20/05/13 07:33 PM

This is my mates commercial FN in 9.3x64. Neither of us are positive, but we think its original.
Interestignly, magazine box is only 84mm long not 88mm like some .30/06 sized actions.









Edited by GK (20/05/13 07:36 PM)

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: GK]
      #230277 - 20/05/13 07:39 PM

very nice blueing

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: lancaster]
      #230280 - 20/05/13 09:35 PM

The seller said that it had a "tropical " finish. From the little l could find its like a varnish applied to the heated metal.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: GK]
      #230283 - 21/05/13 12:01 AM


GK

Looks very nice indeed - and Original.

Have you checked the Proof marks versus year ?

I haven't got my book handy but they look
about right.

Does your mates '64 have Open sights ?
Any chance of a photo of the whole gun ?


Now I have a reference, I need to check
my Frankonia to see if it was made by FN
and just sold by them.

From memory, the safety above is the same,
a lot thinner than normal Mauser 98's.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230300 - 21/05/13 06:00 AM


Anyone in Melbourne who is after Brass for the 9.3x64,
one of the dealers i deal with has 300 loaded RWS rounds
he wants to move so is willing to talk to anyone who
is interested.

If interested, PM me and I will pass on the details.

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Re: 9.3 x 64 project opinions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230326 - 21/05/13 07:42 PM

500Nitro,
My mates away this week so I don't have an overall picture.
As you can see it has sights, but fairly plain ones. This is the only pic I have atm.
George

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