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bwananelson
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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Schauckis]
      #148298 - 18/12/09 02:58 PM

gives a new meaning to smoking camels. and what about donkey kong ,put a little mary on a donkey and go for it i make fun of it but its gotta be nice just to blast away and not have to worry about clean up can nonresidents get in on this.you guys dont have semi's anymore that would be even more fun.but seriously are there outfitters that will take you out to hunt these on a mass basis

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: bwananelson]
      #148301 - 18/12/09 03:07 PM

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gives a new meaning to smoking camels. and what about donkey kong ,put a little mary on a donkey and go for it i make fun of it but its gotta be nice just to blast away and not have to worry about clean up can nonresidents get in on this.you guys dont have semi's anymore that would be even more fun.but seriously are there outfitters that will take you out to hunt these on a mass basis




non residents - prob not on this but matt conducts cull hunts on donkeys etc etc. send him a PM.


No semi's any more - except by professional cullers.

Just learn to shoot a bolt action fast - 4 aimed and accurate shots in 9 seconds is fast enough for me and 2 of us to wipe out 21 Buffalo in a minute (375H&H's) - which was the whole herd so a semi auto wouldn't have done it any better.

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bwananelson
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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: 500Nitro]
      #148344 - 19/12/09 11:11 AM

will see him in reno

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Schauckis]
      #148350 - 19/12/09 03:16 PM

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What caliber would one use for camel:
- minimum allowed by law
- recommended (OK: found this)
- most common?



Most camels would be shot with calibres in the .270 to .300 range.

Don't know of any minimum legal requirements, some states have recommended minimums eg NSW (not sure if they list camels).

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There is never a reason not to use premium bullets, but are they needed or is a standard soft point OK? Are solids allowed by law?



A good soft point would be the answer, with the projectile not too fragile.

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What kinds of shooting distances can one expect? The previous discussions on this seem to indicate long(ish). Does this depend on the hunting area, or are they all about the same?

How much does a camel weight?

What about for donkeys: caliber minimum and recommended?
And horse? Not that I'd ever want to shoot a horse (nor a donkey), but I'm curious and walking back from lunch today in -18 degrees I was thinking of potential vacation locations.



From the usual distances to longish shots, as the hunting might be done in open country. Obviously the less adequate the calibre, the shorter the distance should be, or more precise shots taken.

As for feral horses, they aren't that hard to kill.

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Edited by NitroX (21/12/09 01:06 PM)

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: NitroX]
      #148354 - 19/12/09 11:30 PM

Is there any picture of camel concentration?
I should be impresive to see so many camels.
Thanks
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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: beleg2]
      #148388 - 20/12/09 07:53 AM

It is hard to find them really , if you were on foot you would die before you found one & in a vehicle it can take a couple of days , mostly Aircraft spot them & give their where abouts .

Only in strange conditions would there be a concentration like we have heard about near civilization & this is from the Media again !

Australia is a Big Land Mass & there is a lot of Sand ,Dust & Spinfx in between them !

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Sarg]
      #148413 - 20/12/09 06:31 PM

I shot donkey and horse for human consumption in the early 70's and used a 243.
We were paid 4 cents per pound for quartered carcases.
At that time a drum of fuel (44gal) was $22-00 and a new Ruger M77 in 243 with a Leupold 2-7 scope cost $159-00.

I shot roo's for a living with a 243 and recieved 45 cents per kilogram in the late 70's

Today for every 20 tons of roo carcase,a processor might take one ton of camel carcase..

The logistics of shooting ,processing and transporting camel to a processor is a logistics nightmare with little or no financial return at the end of the process.
SO WHY BOTHER.

Best calibre for camel is from 270 upwards.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: bwananelson]
      #148414 - 20/12/09 06:39 PM

Bwananelson:- Australians in Vietnam went on "SEARCH AND DESTROY MISSIONS"

We wern't dictated to by a bunch of fucken hippy draft dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #148427 - 20/12/09 10:45 PM

^ definitely not the "water buffalo" that the VC knew well.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: kamilaroi]
      #148491 - 21/12/09 01:14 PM

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How much does a camel weight?



Our camels came originally from Northern India, and what is now known as Pakistan.

Per Ultimate Ungulate:

General Characteristics

Body Length: 300 cm / 10 ft.
Shoulder Height: 180-210 cm / 6-7 ft.
Tail Length: 50 cm / 20 in.
Weight: 600-1000 kg / 1320-2200 lb.

http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Camelus_dromedarius.html

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What about for donkeys: caliber minimum and recommended?



For some reason donkeys can be really tough to put down, but some thing like a .270, .308, .30-06 etc does the job.

Again no minimum, we so far luckily do not have a lot of "game type laws". Most of our laws are based on - if its native, totally protect it, and if it is introduced, totally eradicate it.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: NitroX]
      #148499 - 21/12/09 02:16 PM

And while we are on the cull here`s another problem animal.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2777104.htm

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: gryphon]
      #148948 - 27/12/09 01:20 PM

Just a question - would a foreigner hunting in Australia be allowed to get permits to down camels? Just some variety, I'm guessing, in what your country offers hunters from outside in addition to your superb buffalo hunting.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #148951 - 27/12/09 01:46 PM

Mehul, not sure about getting involved with culling operations, but a friend of mine has been on a couple camel hunts {along with other feral stuff}. He used a 6.5x55 and had great results.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: 9.3x57]
      #148953 - 27/12/09 03:21 PM

Thanks, 9.3x57. I was just curious.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #148987 - 28/12/09 12:11 PM

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Just a question - would a foreigner hunting in Australia be allowed to get permits to down camels? Just some variety, I'm guessing, in what your country offers hunters from outside in addition to your superb buffalo hunting.




Hunters can hunt camels without a "culling permit", just need property owner permission. Or use an outfitter whom has access.

Proper "culling" is done by professional shooters.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: NitroX]
      #149085 - 30/12/09 08:50 AM

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Just a question - would a foreigner hunting in Australia be allowed to get permits to down camels? Just some variety, I'm guessing, in what your country offers hunters from outside in addition to your superb buffalo hunting.



Proper "culling" is done by professional shooters.

Plenty rec hunters and 'safari cullers' might disagree with that distinction JH!! Take what we do with the donkeys/pigs/some buffalo plus groups like H&C and CPM. Very large numbers of animals accounted for...

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #149113 - 30/12/09 10:47 PM

I agree with what you say Matt. BUT in John"nitro" Hs defence: he is talking about people (like myself) who are hired by a client, be it a Govt body corporate entity or private person (well whoevers paying really) to do a a cull/control whatever. I think he was merely trying to draw a distinction for the benefit of the folk from outside Oz.

It is very hard for people to realise the vastness, remoteness and low population density of the areas these beasties inhabit.

For the benefit of our non oz members I recommend you check out google earth or similar then check population density climate and terrain and this will (sort of) help in understanding why removal is not really viable.

Believe me, like Alan, Sarg and others I have shot/trapped/Live caught for the pet meat/ HC /translocation markets and at the end of the day it comes down to $$$$ if no beggar wants it... well.
H&C et al do do a good job (contary to some folks view) every little helps.
Hopefully one day we will see a Govt. in Australia that has a tiny wee idea about agame/animal management.....but then I am an inveterate optomist.

Don't get me started on the mismanagement of Kangaroo....

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #149212 - 01/01/10 03:47 AM

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Just a question - would a foreigner hunting in Australia be allowed to get permits to down camels? Just some variety, I'm guessing, in what your country offers hunters from outside in addition to your superb buffalo hunting.



Proper "culling" is done by professional shooters.

Plenty rec hunters and 'safari cullers' might disagree with that distinction JH!! Take what we do with the donkeys/pigs/some buffalo plus groups like H&C and CPM. Very large numbers of animals accounted for...



The original story was about a gov't culling effort. Foreign clients/hunters would not get a look in, as don't local hunters either. CPM type culls are also as far as I know groups of local hunters.

Foreign hunters realistically would need to book through an outfitter offering "culling hunts" or be invited out by a resident hunter.

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: NitroX]
      #149444 - 04/01/10 02:01 PM

John,

Thank you for the information.

Good hunting!

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Re: CAMEL SHOOT IS ON [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #149445 - 04/01/10 02:03 PM

Matt,

Lovely website. Hope to hunt in your country in the not too distant future as a gift to myself if all goes well. That is why I asked.

Good hunting!

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