| lancaster |
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| 14/03/09 01:06 AM |
a dangerous game rifle from Denmark
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Once upon a time the small and friendly kingdom of denmark was also an empire. Without elephants and tigers (but there was also a fortress in India then) it have lots of polar bears and walrus on his lands in the north.
I understand that a man-eating tiger is the exception but a dangerous polar bear is the rule. Here is Krag "Grønland“ rifle build in 1950-51 for the Kongelig Grønlandsk Handel,
also the rifle for the legendary danish Sirius patrol from 1950-1955, maybe the last single shoot service rifle in a western army. Build on surplus danish krag actions for the old 11,4x53R Danish service cartridge. Of course the danish rolling block cartridge was obsolete but greenland had have large amounts of this and cheap was beautiful. I remember pics of selous game ranger in 2003 with greener police guns. The danish cartridge have a full metal jacket bullet and nitro load, very similar to the 45/70 gov., cartridge collector’s call them “Greenland cartridge”.
The rifle wasn’t made as a hunting rifle but as a cheap self defence gun against hungry polar bears.
Found it here:
http://www.bisgaardnielsen.dk/product.asp?product=3517
“Enkeltskuds. Nummerens. I meget flot stand. Brugt på Grønland i ca. 1950-51, fremstillet for Kongelig Grønlandsk Handel på basis af gamle Krag systemer for at kunne bruge den ammunition der allerede var på Grønland. Benyttet af Sirius Patruljen fra 1950-1955. Denne type Krag er en af de mest sjældne overhovedet! Med det rigtige "P" serienummer - og "51" (1951) foran kammeret.“
| lancaster |
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| 14/03/09 01:08 AM |
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Slædepatruljen Sirius or informally Siriuspatruljen (The Sirius patrol) is a Danish unit and dog sled patrol conducting long-range reconnaissance (LRRP) and enforcing Danish sovereignty. The unit is operationally under the Greenland Command and administratively under the Royal Danish Navy. The patrol represents Denmark's military presence in Greenland.
The patrol operates in the northern and northeastern part of Greenland from the westcoast of Hall Land (Petermann Fjord and Glacier) 81°04′N 61°40′W / 81.067°N 61.667°W to Kap Biot north of Fleming Fjord 71°53′N 22°33′W / 71.883°N 22.55°W. The distance as the crow flies is circa 2100 km, but the length of the coast following all the fjords is far greater, 16.000 km, and the Greenland ice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Patrol
Another interesting big game rifle from this side: 98 K harpoon shoulder gun
http://www.bisgaardnielsen.dk/product.asp?product=3862
| JabaliHunter |
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| 14/03/09 06:34 AM |
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That is the coolest photo I have seen in a long while
| Caprivi |
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| 14/03/09 06:46 AM |
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Gotta love a barrel that has more hole than steel.
| peter |
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| 14/03/09 07:05 AM |
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the danish model 1889 is besides the MS the smothest action in exsistence. i have made one in 45-70 long ago and it is such a cool action to work with.
our guys from the sirius patrol are some of the toughest guys in the world, they have to be, their workplace is the most unforgiven place in the world and it can ugly in a second.
i feel honored that they are danish, holding the line at our northern border.
peter
| 9.3x57 |
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| 14/03/09 12:15 PM |
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Lancaster, great thread.
All you Danes should be proud! {...me, too...
}An excellent book in English for all those who have gotten curious is David Howarth's "The Sledge Patrol".
Great book.
Lancaster, mange tak for posting!
| mehulkamdar |
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| 14/03/09 12:56 PM |
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Hey Lancaster,
You brought back some pleasant memories so I hope this is a good reciprocal gesture.
Pictures of Dansborg Fort neat Tranquebar. 
FYI this was just an hour by bus from my former hometown of Madras. The Madras museum also has a fantastic weapons wing with a huge number of guns and cannon that were taken by Admiral Draper from Tranquebar. When I was a boy my parents sold our ancestral house on Popham's Broadway as it was then called after my grandfather died and moved to Monteith Road, just across the road from the Madras Museum. The cannon are kept in the open and anyone can go and examine them. The small arms are inside - I think the arms gallery receives as many unique visitors as the rest of the museum does if not more.
There are several trusts dedicated to preserving the Fort and parts of the town and the old Dutch houses are very valuable as holiday homes for the wealthy in that part of the country.
We also have a leading Indian industrialist TT Vasu whose wife Steena is from the SOuth of Sweden and who has some Danish ancestry who does a lot of work to preserve the history of this location.
And before I get carried away, lovely old rifle.
I hope you don't mind the off-topic rant.
| lancaster |
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| 15/03/09 05:07 AM |
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the world is a small one mehul, isnt it?
Peter, there is a good reason for denmark to be proud about the man of the sirius patrol. this gentleman showing what the nation is able to do.
I thinking that a lot of obsolete danish remington roll block rifles going north after the krag became the new servce rifle like martiny's and mauser M 71 going to africa. this rifles get a second life in the hand of native seal hunters and thats why they have a large stock of ammo in greenland in 1950.
do you know books from denmark about hunting in greenland in the old times and are there museums cover this topic you can recommand? do you know trophys from greenland like this one.
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh...SaleSectionNo=1
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh...SaleSectionNo=1
| peter |
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lancaster
let me see what i can scrounge up during next week, but yes we have museums that have exibitions on this subject, and books as well but most of what i have seen are in danish(not the easyist language to learn)
best
peter
| Schauckis |
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| 16/03/09 03:09 AM |
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Quote:
also the rifle for the legendary danish Sirius patrol from 1950-1955, maybe the last single shoot service rifle in a western army. Build on surplus danish krag actions for the old 11,4x53R Danish service cartridge. Of course the danish rolling block cartridge was obsolete but greenland had have large amounts of this and cheap was beautiful. I remember pics of selous game ranger in 2003 with greener police guns. The danish cartridge have a full metal jacket bullet and nitro load, very similar to the 45/70 gov., cartridge collector’s call them “Greenland cartridge”.
The rifle wasn’t made as a hunting rifle but as a cheap self defence gun against hungry polar bears.
Interesting.
Is this a derivative of the 7,62x53R also known as the 7,62x54R?
What is the bullet diameter in inches? 11,4mm suggests 0,449" - so something in the .44 or .45 league, in other words, but not quite .458.
Thinking of the 11,4mm bullet this would be pretty much the ultimate necking-up of that caliber, as per the .400 Whelen of the .30-06.
An interesting rifle, indeed!!
| lancaster |
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| 16/03/09 05:38 AM |
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no, is not
denmark adopted a remington rolling block rifle in 1867 in 11,5x42 rimfire. this rifles were rechambered for the 11,5x51R centerfire in 1896. in the 20.century denmark use also a nitro load with full metal jacket bullet in this gun.
| lancaster |
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| 10/02/11 08:13 PM |
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I think this rifle here is not out of interest. an american P 17 rifle in 30 06 giving to Denmark after WW 2 and reworked with a standing sight for using it as a sporter/self defense rifle in greenland.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3162226&PHPSESSID=46a66153160b9e7b4cb32a4b36206426
iirc the same dealer in Denmark also was having the krag.
a collector topic for itself! maybe not so glamorous like a british double
NitroX
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Quote:
iirc the same dealer in Denmark also was having the krag.
a collector topic for itself! maybe not so glamorous like a british double
I'm guessing a good bolt action is a better choice in a freezing climate than a break open gun anyway?
Anyone want to comment, is this true? A break open double or single could freeze up, where a bolt action such as a M98 could still be operational?
| casper50 |
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| 24/07/12 12:21 AM |
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If they have oil or grease they will both freeze. From Alaska, Mike
| lancaster |
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| 24/07/12 03:06 AM |
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just found two pics somewhere
an icebear trap with a krag rifle , for display in a museum in north norway,
iirc Hammerfest
| TH44 |
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| 29/07/12 11:34 PM |
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I was up there a couple of years ago - very interesting stuff IIRC there were other rifles etc., not what you would expect in a touristy museum - certainly not if it was in the UK!
There is also a very good WW2 museum around there with a very knowledgeable guy, all sorts of good stuff
TH44
| lancaster |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESPDJg7vtE