| Homer |
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G'Day Fella's,
I'm not sure if this has been posted belore but FYI
https://www.damko-usa.com/damko-martini-rifle-c-54_56/damko-martini-rifle-standard-p-33.html
D'oh!
Homer
Edited by CptCurl to add photos from the manufacturer's website:
| Wayne59 |
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| 25/01/19 07:11 AM |
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Thats interesting. I wonder what kind of a price they will have.
| 93x64mm |
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| 25/01/19 07:12 AM |
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Interesting!
If DoubleD see this he'll be able to explain it's functionality better.
Sort of a cross between the cadet with it's removable trigger assy & full size real McCoy.
Very interesting changes though - many thanks Homer for bringing that up
| DarylS |
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| 25/01/19 07:49 AM |
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Yes - very interesting. I can see, for myself, a possible use and like for the .30/40.
The action parts, trigger group and bolt is a very good idea and handy for cleaning.
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| 25/01/19 09:43 AM |
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I hope the 25-35 makes it up this way; I'll have one as soon as I see one. Saves me rebarreling my cadet. That's the nicest surprise I've had all year!
windy
sonny, where I come from, "magnum" is another word for "lousy hunter"
| 9.3x57 |
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| 25/01/19 11:01 AM |
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Yes - very interesting. I can see, for myself, a possible use and like for the .30/40.
The action parts, trigger group and bolt is a very good idea and handy for cleaning.
Right there, Daryl.
I really do have the guns I want, but that would be big draw.
I always want these startups to do well, but maybe it's just me, but it so often feels they pitch something that doesn't pan out./
I hope this does pan out. Neat gun.
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| 25/01/19 12:46 PM |
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The starting price of these rifles is $1,699.00 as reported on the ASSRA forums, where a manufacturer's representative is answering questions: https://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1548206514
Curl
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| 25/01/19 02:13 PM |
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The starting price of these rifles is $1,699.00 as reported on the ASSRA forums, where a manufacturer's representative is answering questions: https://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1548206514
Curl
Not sure what the actual street price will be, but for a simple gun like that the MSRP sits about $500 high assuming the thing could be had for 200 less than that.
IMHO.
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| 25/01/19 02:41 PM |
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Maybe so. I didn't set the price but only read about it on the referenced thread of the ASSRA forum. If you read that thread it seems people were carping about the price there also.
I would have no idea the cost of production.
One thing I did notice, it is made like a BSA Cadet Martini. The guts are mounted on the trigger plate, making for easy takedown. That is a nice feature that costs more to manufacture than the much simpler Martini-Henry action where the guts are mounted on pins through the action body.
I wonder if it has an access hole in the rear of the action body for convenient cleaning from the breech.
Other complaints on the ASSRA thread were that it is too light: 6 to 7 pounds.
In the end, I'm thinking the price is going to be quite an obstacle. I'm not reaching for my wallet, but what do I know?
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| 25/01/19 02:46 PM |
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By the way, I have one of the Martini-Henry rifles out of Nepal. It is one heck of a grin to shoot. I also have a Martini Cadet.
I posted a thread about the little guy here: BSA Martini .310 Cadet
Quite a fun gun!
Curl
| 9.3x57 |
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| 25/01/19 03:13 PM |
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One thing I did notice, it is made like a BSA Cadet Martini. The guts are mounted on the trigger plate, making for easy takedown. That is a nice feature that costs more to manufacture than the much simpler Martini-Henry action where the guts are mounted on pins through the action body.
That's the problem with these sorts of guns. I don't doubt that cost to manufacture is a difficult obstacle compared to what the market will bear.
I BET that Martini is a grin!
| casper50 |
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| 25/01/19 06:33 PM |
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I would think a sporting configuration would go over better than that long lever straight stock. JMO.
| Rule303 |
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| 25/01/19 07:57 PM |
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That is a neat rifle. If the cost isn't to much I would get one, if they make it to Aust.
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| 25/01/19 11:39 PM |
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I would think a sporting configuration would go over better than that long lever straight stock. JMO.
I agree. It would interest me quite a bit more if it were made in a more sporting configuration. I've never seen a custom Martini that retained the original lever and straight stock. A pistol grip stock with a fitted lever and nice checkering would be more in line with the price and much more to my liking.
I don't mean to be overly critical, but this offering looks quite a bit like a hastily cut-down Martini-Henry, "Bubba sporterized."
On the website I see the manufacturer repeatedly refers to the rifle as a falling block. Don't they know what they are selliing?
Curl
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| 26/01/19 12:06 AM |
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On the subject of Martinis, just for fun here's a photo of my Enfield Martini-Henry .577-450:
I'm loading my rounds using formed CBC 24 ga. brass, a 480 grain bullet, paper patched, 85 grains of genuine black powder, some wadding to take up extra space, and a generous grease cookie underneath. My results are good. Here is a 50 yard target.
And here's the same load at 100 yards.
On a later date I tried upping the load to 95 grains, and here is the result along with the chronograph readout.
My Martini-Henry is not pretty, but it does have an almost unblemished bore. You can see it shoots quite well, considering the coarse battle sights.
Here's one last picture - one of the seller's pictures when I bought the rifle.
A Martini is a boatload of fun! I think the rifle being offered (the subject of this thread) has a lot of appeal. I don't want my critical comments to be cold water thrown on that company's project. My hat is off to them.
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| 26/01/19 12:18 AM |
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I just edited the original post to add the manufacturer's photos. I'll repeat them here:
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| 26/01/19 12:23 AM |
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On the ASSRA forum there was mention that this rifle would have a lot of appeal in .303 British. I agree! I would appreciate it much better in .303 than in .30-40.
Curl
| DoubleD |
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| 26/01/19 01:53 AM |
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The rifle is a copy of a Nepalese Francotte Martini. They have modified the internals for a safety and some sort if locking system to not let if fire until the breech block is locked in place.
The rifle is slightly smaller than a full size martini and will not feed a 45/70.
I want one. But at $1700 I won't be getting one anytime soon.
I can not justify raiding the IRA at that price. I think this is a great project that will die because the price.
I'll also bet they can not afford to make it cheaper. Sad truely.
| Wayne59 |
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| 26/01/19 01:58 AM |
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I think that shorting the fore arm and rounding the nose along with some checkering on fore arm and wrist would go a long way toward making a really nice gun. JMHO.
| 9.3x57 |
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| 26/01/19 02:43 AM |
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If the action is any good...properly heat treated, well-tempered springs, etc, I bet we will see a few pop up as custom projects in the future.
But really, the presentation is poorly marketed and as others have mentioned, looks like a Bubba sporterized hack job.
I myself would prefer a .30-40 but I think most or at least a lot would prefer the .303. I mean, it is a classic Martini chambering. It's like somebody reissued the Model 94 Winchester and ignored the .30-30 and instead, chambered it in .32 Winchester Special.
This one will float around for a while and then sort of unceremoniously die off, I think, unless the company redesigns the furniture, adds the relevant Martini-fan caliber, and drops the price by...a lot.
The latter, as I and others have mentioned, may not be possible due to startup and general manufacturing costs, so this one looks like an unfortunate sinker to me.
But it does have so much potential!
| DarylS |
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| 26/01/19 05:12 AM |
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Good shooting old blister, Curly.
The aperture sight is where the through-hole for cleaning needs to be.
| 9.3x57 |
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| 26/01/19 06:30 AM |
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Good shooting old blister, Curly.
The aperture sight is where the through-hole for cleaning needs to be.
That is great shooting for sure!!
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| 26/01/19 08:01 AM |
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Thanks guys!
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 26/01/19 11:48 AM |
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By old blister, I kinda meant the gun, hope you caught that, Curly.
| Iowa_303s |
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| 26/01/19 12:45 PM |
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On the ASSRA forum there was mention that this rifle would have a lot of appeal in .303 British. I agree! I would appreciate it much better in .303 than in .30-40.
Curl
If it does become available in .303 British I'll be buying a new rifle.
One cannot have too many .303's.
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| 29/01/19 09:33 PM |
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Interesting, hope it is a success.
High price for what is offered. But I do understand costs and low volumes.
Hopefully they offer traditional Brit chamberings. Wouldn't be interested in any of those Yank chamberings.
Like chmabering a .577/450 in a Sharps! Just not done.
Can understand the appeal in the US market however.
.303 British would be cool. As would a smaller calibzre, maybe .22 Hornet, .22 Hi-Power and the like. For a rook style rifle.