| lancaster |
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its 8 years I got a chassepot carbine barreled action and a walnut blank
here is an old pic
have a 68 cm long barrel with a .454 diameter
here a chamber cast with an original cartridge, the bolt is in the position he have when closed
this thing sleeping in my basement for years now only visited from time to time. maybe its the year I can bring it to an end now.
Chassepot carbine, make in the manufacture imperiale de Châtellerault between 1866 and 1870
the chassepot is the link beween the Dreyse bolt action and the Mauser 71. you have to cock the bolt with the hand before you can open it.
the needle
my intention allways was to make a stutzen, something between the dreyse jäger rifle
and the civil dreyse hunting rifles for needle fire paper cartridges
or center fire metallic cartridges
thats what it looks now
I found a horn trigger guard, probably for a double gun with two trigger so I have space in the trigger guard for a safety. the stock will get a old style horn tip too.
got a very nice old german patch box on monday
such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then.
the front sight came from a Haenel airgun
to let the cat out of the bag this is my first own wildcat cartridge the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire.
something the world was waiting for
will give mor informations when the rifle is ready once
| tinker |
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| 26/02/15 03:44 AM |
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Nice!
| John303 |
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| 27/02/15 10:41 AM |
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Nice old guns and workmanship, all I can say it gives me a bit of encouragement to
press on with some of my projects. --- John
| Iowa_303s |
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| 27/02/15 11:56 AM |
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"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.
| DarylS |
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| 27/02/15 01:36 PM |
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Enticing - excellent work, lancaster. I had surmised the stock wold have darker lines in the grain structure - maybe they'll show after it's finished in oil.
Well done.
| lancaster |
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| 27/02/15 08:27 PM |
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"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.
thank you for your words of encouragement, you know real inventor's work for the common good. I have another secret invention for an older problem that will come to dayligth this year.
in the beginning I dont know what to do with the patch box. does it fit, is it a good idea? will I need it in the future for another rifle?
The dreyse jaeger rifle was probably the first one without a patch box but you will find it on sporting guns up into the 1870s. The rare Dörsch&v.Baumgarten needle fire jaeger rifle for the tiny Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe in germany had a patch box.
http://www.schaumburger-zeitung.de/porta...in-Schuss-_arid,340007.html
Dörsch was working for Dreyse before he became a master in Suhl on his own in 1857, only Schaumburg-Lippe order 670-750 jaeger rifles of this model for the dreyse military cartridge in 1861.
600 of this jäger rifles were sold to japan in 1868 were a Feldwebel Carl Koeppen trained a unit near Osaka as a foreign advisor or お雇い外国人 with this needle rifles.
Dörsch&v.Baumgarten were also making hunting rifles with this action but in the own 12mm caliber.
| tinker |
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| 27/02/15 08:38 PM |
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Yes.
Use the patch box.
| lancaster |
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| 01/03/15 01:43 AM |
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make the forend tip by a piece of horn,first time I work with horn and its a a nice material. have another piece of similar size and will do it again when my Mauser 71 project is on the bench.
maybe 80-90% ready
side by siode with my Dreyse M 60, probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide
| Iowa_303s |
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| 01/03/15 02:48 AM |
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"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.
| rglenz |
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| 01/03/15 04:09 AM |
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Nice project and very nice patch box,use it.
| lancaster |
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| 01/03/15 05:18 AM |
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"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.
I am not alone anymore, someone was paying 1020 euro for this ruin of a dreyse jäger rifle yesterday
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5338020&PHPSESSID=138c
missing the bolt, rear sight and the unloading rod, overall condition is sad but true
believe this started for one euro and iirc, thought about it 2 or 3 seconds but decided it will cost a lot of money to bring it back into the old glory and you can get a complete rifle for it.the original parts will be impossible to find and the only way is to made it new.
| 93x64mm |
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| 01/03/15 09:31 AM |
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Lancaster,
Love the carving on the stock of the Dörsch&v.Baumgarten!
Would not be out of place on yours!
93x64mm
| lancaster |
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| 08/03/15 04:23 PM |
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another chassepot hunting carbine for sale
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-chasse-Chassepot-1866-item-2271769.html
a chassepot transformed into a 11,x59R Gras given as an award once
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RARISSIME-FUSIL-CHASSEPOT-DE-RECOMPENSE-item-2211607.html
| lancaster |
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| 14/09/16 01:43 PM |
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another chassepot hunting rifle for sale http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6104819
| lancaster |
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| 02/04/17 07:23 PM |
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progress comes slowly but maybe this year
still working on the special swivel
| Iowa_303s |
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| 03/04/17 12:45 AM |
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Looks good Lancaster!
I'm very intrigued by this project of yours.
Thanks for the update
| lancaster |
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| 18/06/17 06:00 AM |
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so the sling swifel are tig welded, the new made swifel that copy the Dreyse style and the old one that was clapped out
only thing to do now for me is to put the patch box into the stock. than make all steel parts "white" and finish the stock.
and than comes the moment of truth when I will shot the rifle on 50 meter to see what happen with iron sights.
the future starts slowly
| 93x64mm |
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| 18/06/17 07:26 AM |
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As you put it Lancaster......
"such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then."
You can certainly still have in on there for your cleaning patches, you have a rod with it now so why not!
| lancaster |
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| 18/06/17 01:44 PM |
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yes, the patch box will be used
there are various small parts that come in
| FrankS |
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| 18/06/17 04:36 PM |
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There was an article on I believe the Castboolits website in which the author described the conversion of a Gras to 45/70. try as I might I cannot find that article. The Gras bolt head is flat so do not need to reform the base of the cartridge to the mauser "A" base. Probably have to bush the firing pin hole and reduce the diameter for the firing pin. Frank
| lancaster |
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| 17/02/18 08:00 AM |
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after many years the Chassepot "Pirschbuechse" is ready for finishing
| tinker |
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| 17/02/18 10:06 AM |
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Excellent.
I very much look forward to the eventual field report!
Cheers
Tinker
| Iowa_303s |
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| 17/02/18 11:17 AM |
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Very nice Lancaster!
I too look forward to seeing field reports.
| Rothhammer1 |
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| 17/02/18 12:12 PM |
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A very interesting and worthwhile endeavour.
| lancaster |
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| 17/02/18 05:35 PM |
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with the help of saint hubertus this year on the range and next year in the field
| Louis |
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| 17/02/18 08:01 PM |
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Congratulations on your work, Lancaster, that's a superb achievement.
Did you craft the horn trigger plate yourself or did you order it from somebody else; I am asking as I would need one for my Sauer & Sohn M.54 bockbüchsflinte?
Regards.
Louis
| lancaster |
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| 18/02/18 02:46 AM |
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old gunmaker stock I got some years ago, made before 1914
this things were not carved but imho, it was an early plastik and cast. I will look for you if there is another horn trigger guard in this box.
| Louis |
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| 18/02/18 06:38 AM |
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Thank you Lars.
| lancaster |
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| 18/02/18 07:56 AM |
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louis, here they are
only this are made of horn
style looks more interwar
you can bend horn trigger guards by cooking them in water for 20 minutes.
| lancaster |
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| 05/03/18 03:14 AM |
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done before
old german made chassepot rifle http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6867216
thinking I come close to the old rifle here
| DarylS |
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| 05/03/18 03:25 AM |
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The bolt appears to have a leather/rubber/or other material washer around it to seal powder gasses. Is this correct.
I have oft wondered how they did this.
| lancaster |
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| 05/03/18 05:09 AM |
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hello Daryl, it rubber, back in the days natural rubber
Chassepot was the inventor of this method
| Rothhammer1 |
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| 05/03/18 10:59 AM |
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Quote:
The bolt appears to have a leather/rubber/or other material washer around it to seal powder gasses. Is this correct.
I have oft wondered how they did this.
Check these links;
web page
web page
| DarylS |
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| 05/03/18 11:54 AM |
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tks Lancaster - appeared so.
| Iowa_303s |
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| 05/03/18 01:06 PM |
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Well done lancaster!
A project to be very proud of.
| lancaster |
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| 05/03/18 10:01 PM |
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here is how the action works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX0cEXXydro
| DarylS |
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| 06/03/18 03:53 AM |
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tks - as I imagined it working. Weird language - couldn't understand a word.
| lancaster |
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| 06/03/18 05:17 AM |
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you have time, dont you have
look for a girl friend from quebec and you will learn in bed
| lancaster |
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| 23/04/18 03:33 AM |
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thats the grand daddy,german cavalry carbine made by cuting down rifles form the war 70/71 as a stop gap until the gun firms had time to make the mauser carbine M 71
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6933862
this was one of the inspirations for my project
| lancaster |
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| 21/11/18 04:54 AM |
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this is what many old chassepot ends in the years before the great war
belgian 12 ga single shot gun http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7150362
| DarylS |
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| 21/11/18 06:28 AM |
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Quote:
you have time, dont you have
look for a girl friend from quebec and you will learn in bed
Saw a bunch of good looking ones in Montreal and Quebec City last summer - was with my wife so looking only. LOL - as if anything else COULD happen.
| lancaster |
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| 24/11/18 12:31 AM |
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another well made chassepot hunting rifle
https://brocarmes.fr/shop/armes-historiq...le-11mm-signee/
| lancaster |
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| 24/08/19 05:05 AM |
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sometimes its possible but to much
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7552981
| lancaster |
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| 18/03/20 06:07 AM |
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its time to leave the toilet paper and go back to business!
get a package back from a miss who cut checkering, its woman work here.
the chassepot stock and because it was a good opportunity the stock of my M 88.
bought this rifle years ago, the stock was brocken once and fixed with a oak wood piece from both sides.
before
and now
you see the new made checkering hide the break very good, the oak wood seems now very ligthish
have to grap it with dirty hands, blackpowder best
this is the chasspot stock, allready oiled with 40 years old suhl gun stock oil
start to brown the small parts, small things like screws will get fire blueing
checkerring was made like we see it on dreyse stalking rilfes
paying less than 200 euro including shipment, thinking its fine
| 93x64mm |
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| 18/03/20 11:05 PM |
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its time to leave the toilet paper and go back to business!
get a package back from a miss who cut checkering, its woman work here.
Lancaster I must say that the Lass who done that work can certainly do a bloody good job at that!
| lancaster |
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| 19/03/20 05:00 AM |
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yes, I hope the rifle will be acceptable in the end
| Louis |
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| 19/03/20 06:47 PM |
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Congratulations on your very well done restauration work, Lancaster; now looking forward to the next stages!
Louis
| DarylS |
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| 20/03/20 06:39 AM |
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Nice job on a lovely piece of wood.
| lancaster |
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| 20/03/20 07:01 AM |
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maybe next sunday the rifle will be ready and completed, only the barrel still white because when sighting the gun it could be the front sight have to be changed in height
| lancaster |
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| 23/03/20 06:17 AM |
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lost so much time try to get toilet paper I decided today to made something useful! the parts were browned last week. dont know how many times I did it maybe 8-10 times. first all 12 hours than all 24 hours.
you wipe the fluid over the polished steel and let it dry. when the time is over you remove the "rust" with fine steel wool and wipe again
when you thinking its enough you polish the parts with steel wool and heat them with a gas burner. there is fluid in the "brown" surface, suspect its water. you can see it dry very quickly. after this you oil the parts, I take WD 40, and see how the brown surface absorb the oil.
other parts get a fire bluing what is much simpler to make
of course, not the trigger spring
than the best part starting after 12 years I work on this project now
barrel ist still white, will get the antique brown also when sighted but because of miss corona all shooting ranges are closed now.
the unload ramrod got a thread the other end so will handle a brush if in need
need green cloth to lining the patch box inside
its the right retro vintage look for me!
| DarylS |
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| 23/03/20 05:19 PM |
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Nicely done lancaster.
| lancaster |
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| 26/03/20 06:47 AM |
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after so many years...
| Louis |
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| 26/03/20 08:16 PM |
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Congratulations on your perseverance and outstanding result, Lancaster; you now need to embark on another long-term project!
Louis
| lancaster |
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| 27/03/20 05:33 AM |
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don't worry, I have more than one
| tinker |
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| 27/03/20 06:02 AM |
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Very nice!
I look forward to seeing the first photos of successful hunting adventures.
| lancaster |
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| 24/02/21 04:22 PM |
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chassepot hunting rifle
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=13611889
| lancaster |
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| 13/11/21 11:38 PM |
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finally browned the barrel, again with the old steel not two guns giving the same colour tone in the end
| 93x64mm |
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| 14/11/21 06:25 PM |
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looking very nice Lancaster!
Did you colour case harden the action also?
| lancaster |
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| 14/11/21 08:37 PM |
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no,I bought the barreled action when the receiver was colour case hardened. looks allways good with fire blue and brown so I blue the bolt and brown the barrel.
| lancaster |
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| 02/09/23 03:03 PM |
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original made chassepot hunting gun, smooth bore https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19258257
| lancaster |
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| 02/02/24 04:59 AM |
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and another chassepot stalking rifle for sale https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19439368
