| Huvius |
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Once again, I thought I would start a thread on the single shot auction scene.
Maybe John can create individual forum topics for the Mausers, Doubles, Mannlichers and Singles at auction for us all to share. But until then, here is my first entry for the "Singles at Auction" thread.
At the upcoming Holt's auction. Certainly, quite a special rifle:
Sale A1072 Lot 1220
ALEXR. HENRY & CO.
A FINE AND RARE .303 NITRO EXPRESS FRASER 1880 PATENT SIDELEVER TAKE-DOWN FALLING-BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 3474,
serial number on barrel and face of action only, 27in. round nitro barrel engraved 'ALEXR. HENRY & CO. 22 FREDERICK ST. EDINBURGH.', block mounted open sights and two folding leaf sights marked for 100, 200 and 300 yards, ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, Fraser patent sidelever falling block action, patent no. 5403 of 23rd December 1880, automatic safety with gold-inlaid 'S' detail, the hand mounted with a fully adjustable folding peepsight, partially chequered trigger, fine and bold acanthus scroll engraving, the action unsigned, retaining much original colour-hardening and finish, 14 3/8in. well-figured pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, horn pistolgrip-cap, inlet sling eye, including chequered horn buttplate, fore-end with fluted tip and engraved Deeley & Edge patent release catch, weight 6lb. 12oz.
Other Notes: Current research suggests that only around four hundred Fraser patent falling block rifles were ever produced. Daniel Fraser died in 1902 and although the company continued in business under the guidance of Daniel Fraser's son, Donald, for nine years, it is surmised that most of the falling block rifles were made during Daniel's lifetime. The Henry records show just 20 Fraser patent rifles being sold by them.
Estimate £8,000-12,000
| lancaster |
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| 25/05/13 10:49 PM |
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looks like it was made yesterday
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| 31/05/13 08:37 PM |
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I want one!
Curl
| lancaster |
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| 31/05/13 10:12 PM |
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look here
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=230734&Main=230734#Post230734
| TH44 |
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"I want one!"
Easy - just get a phone or internet connection and outbid the rest !!
Hopefully I will listen with interest (if I can get there), there is other stuff I fancy
Good luck !
TH44
| Igorrock |
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| 27/08/13 08:57 PM |
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Holland & Holland Rook rifle in sweden, converted to 6x70R:
http://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Holland___Holland_Rook_Rifle_48957133.htm?ca=3&w=3&last=1
| lancaster |
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| 09/09/13 12:07 AM |
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very interesting Werndl stutzen in 11x58R for your next red deer hunt in the alps
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4384205
so close to the 1860 muzzle loader jägerstutzen as possible
| Huvius |
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Igorrock posted a very nice Sharps Borchard midrange rifle at the upcoming Walterborg auction but they also have this W.W. Greener Rook rifle as well.
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/H13/bilder/2278_4.jpg
| Igorrock |
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Yes, they describe it like this:
"KULGEVÄR, Engelskt, enkelskott, fabrikat: W.W Greener, modell Rook Rifle, kal. troligen 360 No.5 Rook , vapen ID: SE0512829, tillvnr. 35207, piplängd 71 cm, oktagonal pipa med W.W. Greener. 68 Haymarket London graverat på spången, siktet märkt med 50 och det fällbara siktbladet märkt med 100 Yds, kornet laxat i den lättrade spången, kornskydd i mässing, top lever, utanpåliggande hane, ejektor, flamhärdad baskyl och lås,framstocksknopp och pistolgreppsrosett av horn, nätskuren framstock och kolv som avslutas med en bakkappa av stål, kolven lagad vid pistolgreppet och en del repor och tryckmärken, i övrigt Gott skick
Utropspris: 8000 - 9000 SEK"
Rifle, English, single shot, make: WW Greener, model Rook Rifle, Cal. probably 360 No.5 Rook, gun ID: SE0512829, makers nr. 35207, barrel length 71 cm, octagonal barrel with W. W. Greener. 68 Haymarket London engraved on the barrel rib, sight marked 50 and the folding sight blade marked with 100 Yds, foresight mounted in the knurled rib, brass foresight protection, top lever, side lock with hammer, ejector, color case hardened baskyl and lock, the fore stock knob and pistol grip cap of horn, checkered fore stock, butt stock ends with a plate of steel, butt stock repaired at the pistol grip, some scratches and dents, otherwise in good condition
Estimate: 8000 - 9000 SEK (1260 - 1400 US$)
| lancaster |
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| 19/10/13 09:34 PM |
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nice break action in 11,15x60R
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4601968
unique action by Immanuel Meffert in 5,6x35R Vierling
you have to push a knob to pull the breech block back, 70cm long barrel and double set trigger
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4609647
the rare and favorite Dreyse needle fire Jägerbüchse Model 1865
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4592227
iirc, Kuduae have a pic showing one of his great grandfathers with a Zündnadel Jägerbüchse
| Huvius |
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| 05/11/13 04:10 PM |
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Now, this would be a pretty good kit.
Looks like the rifle is an Alex Henry hammerless paptent.
There are a LOT of nice and rare rifles in this auction!
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/60/lid/3244
| lancaster |
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| 23/11/13 05:15 AM |
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break action single shot in 9x57R
Kipplaufbüchse von J.P. Sauer & Sohn AG Eckernförde. Beschuss 12/56. Änderung von 8x57 IRS auf 9x57R. Lauf achtkant in rund übergehend mit angefräster Laufschiene, 65 cm lang, innen wie neu, außen nur leichte Gebrauchsspuren. Brünierung 95 %. Klappvisier 100/200 m. Hervorragende Schussleistung.
Zielfernrohr Zeiß Diavari VM 2 1/2-10x50 T mit Leuchtabsehen (Absehen 4 mit Leuchtkreuz). Bestzustand, wie neu, keine Kratzer an den Linsen, optisch und mechanisch bestens. Feste Suhler Einhakmontage.
Doppelter Laufhakenverschluss mit Greener Querriegel, absolut fest!!! System grau eingesetzt mit leichter Arabesken und Randstichgravur. Was kaum jemand weiß: Diese Büchsen haben eine Stangensicherung!!!!!! die schon erheblich sicherer ist als die sonst üblichen reinen Abzugssicherungen. Goldmonogramm auf dem Greener Hebel. Deutscher Doppelzüngelstecher.
2 Schäfte!! Montiert ist der Schweinerückenschaft mit doppelter bayrischer Falzbacke, Kaisergriff und leichtem Biberschwanzvorderschaft aus Luxus Maserholz mit schmaler Old Englisch Gummikappe. Schaftlänge 36 cm. Dazu der Orginalschaft von Sauer & Sohn. Beide Schäfte ohne Dellen und Kratzer mit nur ganz wenigen kaum sichtbaren Gebrauchspuren.
Gesamtlänge des Gewehrs: ca 105,5 cm. Gewicht ohne Zielfernrohr: ca. 3.2 kg, mit Zielfernrohr ca. 3,7 kg.
Das Gewehr ist eingeschossen mit einer flach schießenden, präzisen, starken, auf alles Wild gut wirkenden Handlaborierung mit 225 gr. Nosler Accubond Geschoss. Ca 50 Schuss davon werden mitgegeben, sind also in der Auktion enthalten, ebenso 50 Schuss Fabrikmunition von Browning, hergestellt von Norma, mit 250 gr. = 16 Gramm Teilmantelrundkopfgeschoss.
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4644514
| Sarg |
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Thank you Lancaster, good of you to keep us informed of these cool rifles !
I like the look of that caliber, make a good Lee Speed round I think ?
I was going to do a 8X57R on a BSA barrel, but it wouldn't go that small, so went to 375
a 9X57R would be good I think ?
| lancaster |
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Frabz Sodia/Ferlach single shot rifle with side lock and two barrels in 6,5x68R and 9,3x64
made in 1966
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4659780
| lancaster |
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| 22/02/14 06:09 AM |
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from the upcoming Springer's /Vienna auction
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&filterArticles=1&filter_sale_type=4
single-shot rifle‚ Nik. Szailer - Vienna‚ rotating cylinder action‚ System Werndl 1867
calibre: 11.2x51R Kropatschek-Heissig, serial number: 780, Construction year: ca. 1870, barrel length: 26.8 inch, octagonal barrel, 3.30 kg / 7.28 lbs, double set triggers, oil finished stock, fore-end with cross-latch, steel buttplate, stock length: 13.4 inch, carved horn finger rest, sights: adjustable sights, Technical condition: 3
Sporterised Werndl rifle with one original cartridge, tang peep sight holder, peep sight missing.
hammer break-action rifle‚ Joh. Kaletzky‚ T-bolt action‚ lever action
calibre: 8x50R Mannlicher, serial number: 11390.98, year of proof: 1898, barrel length: 23 inch, octagonal barrel, 3.70 kg / 8.16 lbs, single set trigger, extractor(s), fine English scroll, oil finished stock, two-piece fore-end with staghorn tip, artificial horn buttplate, stock length: 13.8 inch, Prince-of-Wales grip, sights: iron sights, Kahles & Bondy - Vienna, Hair crossing, dovetailed mounts, Technical condition: 3
Sporting a very early Kahles scope (serial number 310), this slightly pitted, with silver stock escutcheon initialised "IS", including 59 cartridges.
| fuhrmann |
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Lancaster,
thanks for posting these!
I really like the Kalezky rifle.
Fuhrmann
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to bad the peep sight is lost
show again who popular the 11,2x51R Kropatschek was in the time from 1870 to 1890 in this area
its not for no reason Waffen Dorfner in Vienna still make a commercial and CIP proofed load.
| Igorrock |
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| 22/02/14 11:08 PM |
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This is very nice too: caliber 8x57 IS
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4824417
| lancaster |
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| 23/02/14 05:59 AM |
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thats an very interesting rifle
it looks like they build a modified M 71 receiver around a M 88 bolt. possible that they bought a M 88 bolt by one of the firms in Suhl still making M 88 rifles and design a smart single shot with this.
| chapmen |
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| 24/02/14 07:20 PM |
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unique action by Immanuel Meffert in 5,6x35R Vierling
you have to push a knob to pull the breech block back, 70cm long barrel and double set trigger
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4609647
Here the same in .22:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=197941&an=0&page=1#Post197941
now i have both........
| lancaster |
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| 26/02/14 05:06 AM |
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is there a reason it dont have a magazine?
seems hard to understand
| chapmen |
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| 26/02/14 07:18 PM |
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The .22 is an target rifle, descriped in Bock's "Kleinkalibergewehre" 1924.
Before the egunauction i dont now the 5,6x35R model.
The rifles made by Meffert, but the construction is from Grothe/Stendal.
I have written an article about the .22 and Grothe in Visier some months ago.
| Huvius |
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George Gibbs Farquharson in the next Rock Island auction.
Description from the auction:
The top of the barrel is marked "METFORD 1764 GEORGE GIBBS 39 CORN ST. BRISTOL .275 BORE" behind the rear sight. The barrel is equipped with a raised blade front sight and a rear sight composed of three leaf sights (one fixed, two folding) and one ladder sight. The ladder sight is graduated 100-800 and marked "Charge/90/570" on the left side and graduated 200-500 and marked "Charge 100/360" on the right side. One of the folding leaf sights is marked "300/Charge" and "YDS/100/360", while the other folding leaf sight is marked "200/Charge" and "YDS/100/360". The action, trigger guard and lever feature a fine scroll engraving with the action marked "GEORGE GIBBS/BRISTOL" on the left side, "800" on top of the chamber and "BOLTED" in gold on the right side. The pistol grip stock and forearm are highly figured walnut with multi-point checkering on the forearm, checkered steel buttplate with compartment, metal grip cap with engraved compartment, silver blank initial oval and contrasting forend tip. Form fitting thin sheet steel panels are inletted and screwed onto both sides of the pistol grip and extend halfway down the butt for reinforcement. These panels are called Selous side plates and are named after the famed African hunter Frederic C. Selous (1851-1917). Selous is credited for designing stock plates, such as the type that are on this rifle, to reduce the chances of the stock breaking during heavy recoil. Famed British explorer, officer, hunter and conservationist, Frederic C. Selous was a true life adventurer best known for his exploits in South-East Africa who defined the popular image of the traveling Englishman in Imperial Africa. His circle of friends included other historical figures of the late 19th/early 20th century such as Theodore Roosevelt, Cecil Rhodes and Frederick Russell Burnham. While participating in British Army action against German forces on the banks of the Rufiji River during World War I, Selous was killed by a German sniper on January 4, 1917. He was 65 years old. Consignor states that this is "one of two [Gibbs rifles with Selous side plate] in existence. Drop at comb 1 1/2 inches, drop at heel 1 7/8 inches, cast off at heel 1/8 inches, cast off at toe 1/4". The rifle comes with a contemporary oak case lined in red felt, James Dixon & Sons oiler and brush.
Condition: Very good as custom refinished. The rifle retains 98% of the blue finish showing some high edge wear. There is some finished over pitting mostly on the Selous side plates. The forearm is a well made, high quality, custom replacement and the buttstock has a hole from a removed sling swivel. Mechanically fine.
| Huvius |
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Obviously, there are many more than two Gibbs Farquharsons with Selous plates so the consignor is in error on that point.
The rifle must have been chambered in 461 No.2 originally as that rear sight with the black powder charges and bullet weights conforms with the No.2 loadings. The gun looks to have been rebarreled while utilizing the original rear sight and as stated the forend is an obvious replacement.
I would like to get this rifle and put it back to its original configuration. That would be the only just treatment for such a rifle IMO.
| lancaster |
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| 12/04/14 12:08 PM |
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the Selous side plates must be a very special pleasure in cold winter and extreme hot summer times
nice Hollis & Son in .577/450
interesting scandinavian(?) stutzen with a falling block action in 12,7x44R
falling block rifle in 6,5x55 by H. Larsen Drammen/Norway (*18.12.1823 - + 06.01.1907)
http://www.waffen-beste.de/html/bes__raritaten_.html
| lancaster |
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| 12/04/14 01:24 PM |
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german needle fire hunting rifle in 10mm kaliber, 1860s
its allways amazing how many different guns you see with the Peterlongo/Innsbruck name on it
here a 11mm Gasser/Vienna revolver carbine made like a fine stutzen
in the upcoming Hermann Historica auction in mai
http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html
| kuduae |
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| 12/04/14 08:06 PM |
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Quote:
german needle fire hunting rifle in 10mm kaliber, 1860s
Suhl made to the Doersch & von Baumgarten 1865 action design. The "receiver" is made as an extension of the barrel.
| lancaster |
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| 13/04/14 04:30 AM |
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yes, Doersch & von Baumgarten came also in my mind but I dont had the time to compare it
looks like a very advanced rifle for its time with the 10mm caliber.
would be nice to have it in the safe.
| lancaster |
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| 18/04/14 11:45 PM |
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charming single shot in 6,5x70R the so called pencil cartridge
by Emil Keppler
scope mount Patent Jungson, Suhl
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4897711
| Ash |
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From Australian Arms Auctions:
ENGLISH THOMAS TURNER 1/2 STOCKED W.J.JEFFERY FALLING BLOCK RIFLE: 450/400; 25" barrel marked THOMAS TURNER FISHER STREET BIRMINGHAM; f. bore; ramp front sight, fixed block rear sight; rear of back sight marked FRIED KRUPP ESSEN 450/400 3¼" INCH CARTRIDGE CHARGE 60 GRAINS CORDITE - 400 EX CORDITE 60 GR OR BALL 400 GR MAX; safety lever to rhs marked SAFE in gold, partly visible; plain action with fine borderline foliate engraving; slight wear to profiles & markings; soft brown patina to barrel, action, lever & fittings; action tang drilled for peep sight; f to g chequered pistol grip stock & forend with horn cap, mod bruising & wear to chequering; gwo & f to g cond. C.1896 #7835
A martini (Is the action tiny, or the barrel heavy? Or neither??)
WESTLEY RICHARDS 1869 PATENT IMPROVED MARTINI ACTION BIG GAME RIFLE: 500/450; express No.2 case; 28" rnd barrel marked HENRY'S PATENT RIFLING EXPRESS FOR NO.2 CASE 38; f to g bore; with barrel ring; blade front sight & fixed notched rear sight; foliate engraved action with safety lever to rhs; WESTLEY RICHARDS address to lhs; slight wear to profiles & engraving; v. faint W.R. address; clear barrel markings; blue/plum finish to barrel; lt brown to action, lever & fittings; f to g stock with straight chequered wrist, NO.52 stamped to rhs of butt, chequered forend with horn cap & hairline crack to lhs; missing cleaning rod; gwo & f to g cond. C.1875. #414
WEBLEY 1902 PATENT FARQUHARSON FALLING BLOCK S/S BIG GAME RIFLE by W.J.JEEFERY & retailed by army & navy csl: 470 NE Cal; 27"stepped & tapered rnd barrel; shiny bore but rounded lands; ramp mounted bead front sight with flip up moon sight & provision for hinged sight cover; block mounted rear express sight with one standing & 2 folding leaves; barrel address army & navy csl london 470 3¼" solid metal case 75 grns cordite powder 500 grns soft nose nickel bullet; top tang safety with gold safe a & n csl to lhs of action & webley no.6365, 1902 patent & w&s winged bullet; barrel & action blued; lever case hardened with plum patina; exc restock with chequering at wrist & forend; capped pistol grip & red rubber recoil pad; gwo & vg cond. #47094 L/R
| Ash |
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Okay!
First one went for (all AU) $3000, 2nd was $2400, 3rd didnt sell.
| lancaster |
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the 3rd looking realy unusual
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a Husqvarna Martini rifle with a surprise chamber in 450(?)
https://auctionet.com/sv/138791-151-kulg.../images#image_1
I dont believe that the action was made in Sweden. Husqvarna had some connections to Liege so the action was probably build in Belgium.
78cm long barrel
Husqvarna build rolling block and double rifles in 450 BPE 3" and also later some double guns in 450 NE but can the 3" long brass working in this action here?
another mystery Martini for sale at Widforss
https://auctionet.com/sv/137318-152-kulg.../images#image_1
a typical british rifle but made(?) by W.Foerster Berlin, prussian court gunmaker
caliber is given here as 10,8x47R so probably one of the german target rounds made by using 11,15x60R Mauser brass
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A bit late here in reply to the Gibbs for sale at Rock Island Auction.
It is a great pity that this rifle has been "got at" by the gun butchers, I cannot understand why anyone would actually pay to have a nice rifle like this ruined, total lack of taste I suppose, it could however still be returned to it's former glory by un doing all of the butchery, the forend looks absolutely hideous! Huvious my friend, your thoughts are exactly the same as mine.
I notice the screws in the Selous plates(one of only two Ha, Ha) are tightened to their original "timed" position so at least they got that bit right!I can only hope it went to a good home.
Chris, France.
| Huvius |
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...Huvious my friend, your thoughts are exactly the same as mine.
I notice the screws in the Selous plates(one of only two Ha, Ha) are tightened to their original "timed" position so at least they got that bit right!I can only hope it went to a good home.
Chris, France.
Oh, it has Chris, it has
| lancaster |
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Sale A0614 Lot 929
WESTLEY RICHARDS
A FINE .500 (3IN.) BLACK POWDER EXPRESS 'IMPROVED MARTINI 1871 PATENT LONG RANGE LARGE GAME RIFLE', serial no. 3520,
30 1/4in. octagonal black powder barrel with finely chequered top flat, two banners engraved 'WESTLEY RICHARDS & CO. LONDON.', and 'LONG RANGE LARGE GAME RIFLE', block mounted fore-sight and express rear sights with silver-inlaid folding leaf sights for 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 and 600 yards, the standing sight for 100 yards marked '100 & 480 Grs', the folding leaf sight for 100 yards marked '120 & 570 Grs', the breech end with the Westley triangle mark, the left of the barrel engraved 'FOR WESTLEY RICHARDS SPECIAL 3IN. TAPER CARTRIDGE. 500 BORE', the action engraved with the Westley triangle and 'WESTLEY RICHARDS & CO. LONDON.' on the left, on the right with 'PATENT', the whole with bold scrolling acanthus motifs, the rear of the action with a matted finish, retaining much original blued finish overall, the underlever and block retaining some original colour-hardening, 15 1/4in. well-figured semi-pistolgrip stock with steel buttplate with trap (brushed finish), sling eyes, detachable bolstered fore-end with horn finial, weight 9lb. 11oz.
Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.
Estimate £3,000-5,000
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=
Sale A0614 Lot 953
ALEXr HENRY, EDINBURGH
A .450 (3 1/4IN.) BLACK POWDER SINGLE-BARRELLED FALLING-BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 2251,
circa 1880, with 28in. black powder only round barrel, block-mounted open sights with folding leaf sight, block-mounted bead fore-sight, barrel engraved 'ALEXr. HENRY, 12 SOUTH ST. ANDREW ST. EDINBURGH. PATENT NO. 1581', action engraved 'PATENT NO. 455', non-rebounding cranked back-action left hand lock with bolted hammer safety, chequered pistol-grip stock, iron heel-plate with central trapdoor, bolstered chequered fore-end with rounded tip, traces of finish throughout
Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.
Estimate £3,500-4,500
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype=
Sale A0614 Lot 971
A SCARCE 17mm (SNIDER) SINGLE-SHOT BREECH-LOADING SPORTING-RIFLE SIGNED OWEN POWELL, MODEL 'NEWARK'S PATENT', no visible serial number,
circa 1867, with octagonal 28in. barrel, bead fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight with two additional folding leaves, scroll engraved flip-open breech marked 'NEWARK'S PATENT' locked shut by the fall of an external dummy hammer, scroll engraved bar-action lock signed 'OWEN POWELL', walnut half-stock chequered at the wrist, iron furniture including pistol-grip trigger-guard tang and under-barrel wooden clearing rod
Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.
Estimate £800-1,200
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...0&saletype=
| Huvius |
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| 24/05/14 11:39 PM |
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The estimates on the Westley and (especially) the A. Henry are way too high IMO.
The Westley "long range large game" rifles are much sought after but maybe not so much in an 1871 and with the exchange and premium, could nudge $10KUS which I just don't see on an "improved Martini".
Is the market up in the UK? Seems like the estimates for this kind of stuff are double what they were just a couple years ago.
| TH44 |
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| 25/05/14 10:38 AM |
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Huvius - The Alexander Henry is about right for the UK (most good ones will fetch over £4000) until we have to remember the 30% commission/tax that go on top of it
I certainly agree that the WR is way too high
The Snider/Newarks Patent would interest me at the lower estimate as I particularly like Sniders but the aforesaid 30% would put it too high
I will be on my way to the Pacific when the auction happens but will try to watch it on the internet, there are a couple of other items that interest me and on line bidding can lead one astray..........................
Bought a Cape Rifle today, will post soon
Best
Tony
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Auktionshaus Zwack/Germany Sommerauktion 12.07.2014
a miniature Kaiserstutzen in 22 lr
oal 86 cm and barrel 40 cm long
http://online.auktion-zwack.de/ufItemInfo.aspx?a_id=78&i_id=27435&s_id=212
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J. P. Sauer&Sohn Suhl Tell 9,3x57R 360 with a new made match barrel in 22 hornet
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5036843
| alvittos |
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Igorrock posted a very nice Sharps Borchard midrange rifle at the upcoming Walterborg auction but they also have this W.W. Greener Rook rifle as well.
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/H13/bilder/2278_4.jpg
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Quite interesting 10 cal. big bore Rigby, what a pity that stock isn´t original. Same seller has some other interesting weapons too:
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5082959
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Purdey single shot sidelock made for the Marchioness of Breadalbane (of Blackmount fame)
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...3&saletype=
J. PURDEY & SONS
A RARE 7X57R ROTARY-UNDERLEVER SINGLE-BARRELLED SELF-OPENING SIDELOCK NON-EJECTOR SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 16880,
26in. London nitro reproved lined barrel (originally in .303 calibre) with solid raised partially matted top rib, engraved 'J. PURDEY & SONS, AUDLEY HOUSE, SOUTH AUDLEY STREET. LONDON. MADE OF SIR JOSEPH WHITWORTH'S FLUID-PRESSED STEEL', open sights and folding leaf sight marked for 100 and 200 yards and with white metal-inlaid sight lines, ramped bead fore-sight with flip-up moonsight, the breech end mounted with a Swarovski Habicht 3-9x36A Nova telescopic sight in later quickly-detachable mounts, self-opening treble-grip action with sprung underlever, removable striker disc, fences finely carved in high relief in Barre style with stylised acanthus on a stippled background, automatic bolted safety with gold-inlaid 'SAFE' and 'BOLTED' details, right hand lockplate with arrow cocking-indicator with pinless dummy lockplate on the left, best fine floral bouquet and acanthus scroll engraving, retaining slight traces of original colour-hardening with some reblued finish, 14 5/8in. well-figured replacement pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, engraved steel pistolgrip-cap, sling swivels and engraved steel heel and toe-plates, weight 9lb. 7oz., in its brass-mounted oak and leather case
Provenance: The makers have kindly confirmed that this rifle was originally completed in .303 calibre, 'with 26in. Whitworth steel barrel, lever over guard, opening third grip to action and eyes for sling, detonating scroll engraved'. The rifle was completed in 1900 for Marchioness Breadalbane.
The Purdey trade label in the lid of the case has 'Lady Breadalbane' inscribed in pencil at the top left corner.
Lady Alma Imogen Carlotta Leonore Graham, born in 1854 as the youngest daughter of James Graham, 4th Duke of Montrose married Gavin Campbell, 1st Marquess of Breadalbane KG, PC, JP, DL, Seventh Earl of Breadalbane and Holland in 1872 to become the Marchioness Breadalbane. She died in 1932, ten years after the death of her husband. The marquessate of Breadalbane became extinct following his death. His Scottish titles, the Earl of Breadalbane and Holland continued until 1995, when the tenth Earl died childless and the title became dormant.
Other Notes: The proof marks on the barrel would indicate that in 1953 the rifle was converted to .22 Hornet and that subsequently, in 1993 it was lined with a Bohler Rasant steel insert in its current 7x57R calibre and reproved at the London proofhouse.
Estimate £18,000-22,000
[image]Holts are being mean with their images - can't copy the URLs[/image]
| Igorrock |
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Nice Martini -actioned british made single shot rifle for sale in incoming Widforss auction in Sweden:
https://auctionet.com/sv/search/59-licensvapen
https://auctionet.com/sv/196235-157-kulg...3-tillv-nr-1932
And then some other interesting single shot rifles for sale in same eauction:
Marlin Mod. Ballard´s Patent, cal. .32 Long
https://auctionet.com/sv/195035-154-kulg...se-nr-se1219804
Purdey Rook rifle, cal. .360
https://auctionet.com/sv/206164-188-kulg...0-tillv-nr-2623
| lancaster |
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a 10,3x60R single shot with a martini action by sonderegger/switzerland
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5143819
for the so called "Bündner Patrone" because the 10,3x60R was for decades the cartridge for hunting big game in the canton of Graubünden
Mauser 71 clone "A.Brandt in Fürstenwalde" but probably made in Suhl/Zella Mehlis
9,5x49R, comes with brass and custum die set
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5124432
| fuhrmann |
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a 10,3x60R single shot with a martini action by sonderegger/switzerland
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5143819
for the so called "Bündner Patrone" because the 10,3x60R was for decades the cartridge for hunting big game in the canton of Graubünden
Lancaster,
as fas as I know the min. 10.2 mm caliber rule is still in force in Graubünden, and the ancient 10,3x60R is still much in use.
Regards, fuhrmann
| kuduae |
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The 10.3x60R Bündner Patrone is nothing else than a Swiss Nitro Express load of the old British .450/.400 2 3/8" case.
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Westley 1897 at Rock Island Auction.
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/63/lid/1387
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That was on Guns International for like $4900?
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That was on Guns International for like $4900?
Could be. I would like to get it for the estimate though!
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The descrition characterizes the scope mount as being fitted to the receiver and the barrel. It looks to me as though both blocks are on the barrel. It would have been a shame to drill and tap the receiver.
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That was on Guns International for like $4900?
Could be. I would like to get it for the estimate though!
Same..
Hey, Huvius! Pic request! Can you do another thread on your .425 with some new photos? I do enjoy seeing it
| Ash |
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Yeah it's the same rifle as on the GI site.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/WESTLEY...un_id=100352176
There we go. More pictures here ^
| lancaster |
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the auction allready ended but an interesting Martini Husqvarna M 24 in 500/450 BPE
perfect 19. century teutonic look
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/#/
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Some of these old British rounds had multiple guises, seems like a good round to use for BP express which we have to have a case capacity (total if I'm correct) of more than 110gn.
I'm assuming here it is the 500/450 BP No1 (carbine)the Westly Richards 2 3/4"
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| Dutch44 |
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I dropped out at $2000 and it went for $2600.00 The mounts are both on the barrel
JR
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single shot in 8x57IRS by M. Sajowitz/ Wien
Optik Swarovski Habicht 4x32 Abs.4 auf SEM
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5225156
| TH44 |
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Wow! - Thanks Lancaster for posting such a beautiful rifle
The hammer single is still one of the most attractive to my eyes, and the "less is more" rose and scroll is my personal favourite
TH44
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I like early breech loader and love the 18./19. century jäger rifle
this is very temtingly
muzzle loader jäger rifle made by Pirlot/Liege for Schleswig-Holstein and captured by the danish army in 1948/49 than rebuild with the snider typ action for the 17x29 rimfire
http://www.bisgaardnielsen.dk/product.asp?product=18554
| lancaster |
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single shot in 8x60R by Joh. Rabitsch (?), Ferlach
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5400036
barrel insert for shooting the 5,6x35R Vierling in a 9,3x72R barrel
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5424878
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i just purchased a collath single shot, mannlicher style full stock kipplauf action rifle,in 6.9x57mm. serial number 20xxx with 27 5/8 inch barrel. i am wondering if it is pre ww1. also i am having a dificult time finding ammo, all the 7x57r seems out of stock.
| lancaster |
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Ischler Stutzen in 6,5x58R Sauer&Sohn in the next springer's auction
http://issuu.com/joh.springerserben/docs/springer_auktionskatalog17_web
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Light on pics but this sounds cool-
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/rifles/centrefire/auction-907762393.htm
| lancaster |
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good Heerenbüchse by Stiegle in München, 5,6x52R
proofed in 1932, probably made in Suhl
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5514061&PHPSESSID=9a4a015b8153c020b9d353e204c6dae0
| kuduae |
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Heerenbüchse by Stiegle in München, 5,6x52R
proofed in 1932, probably made in Suhl
Of course the rifle was made in Suhl! All prewar Heeren rifles were made there. Though Nagel & Menz, Baden – Baden, held the original 1880 patent by Colonel Count Arturo Heeren, they never made "their" actions themselves. As usual, they had their rifles made in Suhl by Stephan Heym (not related to the still active F.W. Heym company). As long as the patent was valid, Nagel & Menz had the exclusive right to market these actions. After the patent expired, Heym could provide other gunmakers with actions and complete rifles directly. At Stephan's death in 1919 his son Max Heym took over the business. Max Heym had the word "Heeren" protected as a trademark. Max continued until 1938, when because of old age he sold his business to Ernst Kerner & Co., Suhl, who continued to make Heeren rifles and actions until 1945. During the interwar years about 80 to 100 Heeren actions were made each year.
It was after 1945 only, when E.Kerner, Suhl, was no more, that others started making Heeren actions. Known are Glaser - Zürich, Oreschowski – Graz, Furtschegger _ Kufstein, Outschar – Ferlach. All other gunmakers bought in their actions or the complete rifles from these makers.
| lancaster |
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9,3x72R single shot break action made probably by an unknown maker in Weipert
today in auction https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukt...ller.html?img=0
| lancaster |
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sporting rifle build by T H Wedekindt in Suhl in 11,6x40R before 1891
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5526197 the rifle was build by using a dutch Beaumont Rifle
Model 1871/76 Typ 1
| lancaster |
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| 09/11/15 12:30 AM |
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some very charming Husqvarna rolling block full stock rifles in the next Walterborg auction
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/
Katalognr: 623
GEVÄR, Svenskt, fabrikat: Husqvarna, rolling block, modell 33, kal. 9 mm, tillvnr. saknas, piplängd 79 cm, , helstock av valnöt med hornnäsa, (tillverkat före 1890 enligt boken "Husqvarna Kulvapen" sid 53), läskstång saknas, mycket gott skick.
Katalognr: 598
GEVÄR, Svenskt, fabrikat: Husqvarna, rolling block, kal. 12,17x44R, tillvnr. 39888, piplängd 75 cm, , helstock med hornnäsa, stopphane, klaffsikte, läskstång saknas, gott skick.
Utropspris: 1000 - 1500 SEKSlutpris: -
Katalognr: 599
GEVÄR, Svenskt, fabrikat: Husqvarna, rolling block, kal. 12,17x44R, tillvnr. saknas, piplängd 69 cm, , pipa med åttakantigt kammarstycke, klffsikte, helstock av valnöt, läskstång saknas, gott skick.
Utropspris: 1000 - 1500 SEKSlutpris: -
| lancaster |
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| 13/11/15 11:17 PM |
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bavarian M 1869 Werder "lightning" rifle probably sporterized in Suhl/Zella Mehlis, maybe one the rifles made once by C.G. Haenel
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5674581
interesting fact that the rifle is chambered for the 8x58R Sauer &Sohn one of the older so called Express cartridge because the mother case was the 360 BPE 2,25". such express cartridges had a lower pressure than 8x57 rimmed and rimless and were used for early weaker break action guns. the old Werder rifle get a new breechblock when the rifle was rechamberd from 11,5x50R Werder to 11,15x60R Mauser 71 in the 1870s and seems it was strong enough then for small bore nitro rounds.
| lancaster |
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nice stalking rifle for the 6,5x58R Sauer&Sohn, Carl Läuger (Lörrach) http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5647460#img
| lancaster |
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single shot stalking rifle with M 88 action in 8x57IS for Eduard Kettner/Köln
http://stiegele.weebly.com/offers-2nd-page.html
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Obviously, there are many more than two Gibbs Farquharsons with Selous plates so the consignor is in error on that point.
The rifle must have been chambered in 461 No.2 originally as that rear sight with the black powder charges and bullet weights conforms with the No.2 loadings. The gun looks to have been rebarreled while utilizing the original rear sight and as stated the forend is an obvious replacement.
I would like to get this rifle and put it back to its original configuration. That would be the only just treatment for such a rifle IMO.
You are spot on there Huvios , You have one, I have one, and there is the example here, I also know of a number of others shown in Wal Winfer's books, but this is very nice, and begging to be put back into original configuration , at least they got the Selous plate screws in right! Chris.
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Chris, I did buy that one and it is being rebarreled and new forend and case coloring.
It will be a 450 3-1/4 BPE though.
I have the Metford barrel to use and I really wanted to go with a 500/450 of some sort but the trough in the action is really too small for that size of rimmed cartridge. Externally, the barrel will be turned to match my 461 and to use the original rear sight that is on the small barrel. I'm really glad that sight was still with the gun!
I didn't have a Selous plated Gibbs before getting this one.
| lancaster |
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a small 22 lr single shot with claw mount is also rare in the fatherland so here a Geco with a Goerz /Berlin on claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5792177
| lancaster |
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again a stalking rifle build with a M 88 receiver in 9,3x72R by NIMROD GEWEHR FABRICK / THIEME SCHLEGELMILCH SUHL
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-artisanale-9-3-x72-R-item-14914.html
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'JOH. KALEZKY'S WITWE K. u. K ÖSTERREICHISCHER- & KÖNIG. SERB. HOF-LIEFERANT IN WIEN
single shot take down Stutzen 10,7mm, Vienna proof in 1906, bases for a snap mount on the barrel
https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aktu...l?currentPage=2
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Thats nice! Very Euro.
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nice 11,5mm - probably 450 BPE single shot by "A. MULACZ K.K. HOFBUCHSENMACHER ALSERSTRASSE 38 IN WIEN"
http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot.php?oggetto=60359&asta=57
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Isn't that lovely!
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| 23/02/16 09:43 AM |
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Is it ever! The Jones' underlever hammer single shots are all good, but this is excellent
The full length stock is just the icing on the cake
Tony
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nice 11,5mm - probably 450 BPE single shot by "A. MULACZ K.K. HOFBUCHSENMACHER ALSERSTRASSE 38 IN WIEN"
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Nice only? Quite perfect, I'd say!
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Quite interesting 10 cal. big bore Rigby, what a pity that stock isn´t original. Same seller has some other interesting weapons too:
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5082959
Does anyone have more info on these? Somehow i overlooked it when going through this thread ages ago! Never seen one. Big weird looking thing. How much did it sell for/was priced at?
| lancaster |
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Adams & Co London,1877, Field Patent
"450" on the barrel so could be anything, http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5826464
| Huvius |
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Here's hoping!
Looks like I am the high bidder on this A. Henry but I have lost auctions where I thought myself to be the winner - somehow... Sometimes my bid matches another but being made before my bid, takes the win. We'll see.
Anyway, here is the auction description:
Description: This Alexander Henry express rifle has the hammer and lock on the left and a shadow line cheekpiece on the right for left handed shooters. While the original military pattern Henry rifles had their locks and hammers on the left to facilitate easier loading, Henry express rifles typically have their hammers and locks on the right side as has long been standard on sporting rifles. This example has a blade front sight on a large integral base, a notch rear sight with a folding leaf and scope on the raised rib that is marked "ALEX'R HENRY, EDINBURGH & LONDON," intricate English scrollwork on the action, and a checkered forearm and pistol grip stock with checkered steel buttplate. The lock has a sliding half-cock safety ahead of the hammer similar to the style found on high end flintlock and percussion arms from early in the 19th century. The underside of the barrel has several English proofs, "500 EX," and "6582/A.H." The lower tang is marked "5909." The .500 Express black powder cartridge was most popular for hunting tigers in India.
Condition: Fine. The original blue finish on the barrel remains mostly intact with the balance having turned a plum brown. The case colors have mostly silvered out aside from some vivid case colors visible in the protected areas. The are some spots of varnish/oil stains as well as a few minor marks and light scratches. The wood is also fine and has crisp checkering and a few minor handling and storage marks. The scope is more well worn and has distinct signs of having been mounted further forward in the replacement rings at some point. The optics are clear except for some black visible in the outer circumference. The action functions perfectly, and the markings and engraving patterns are distinct.
Now, obviously they are correct that it is a LH rifle with the cheekpiece on the right of the stock. Often Alex Henrys are identified as LH simply because the lock is on the left which is not the case as many A. Henrys were made for right handed shooters (cheekpiece on the left) but with the lock on the right or left. A lock on the right would aid a LH shooter anyway. I'm not a lefty but that doesn't bother me on a rifle such as this.
One thing they seem to have missed is the forend latch.
This latch was used by Henry only on his takedown rifles! So, as I said, "Here's Hoping!!"
| TH44 |
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Huvius - Very nice indeed, the front bolted left hand lock is indeed unusual (most front bolted were R/H)
Both my AHs (1 L/H, 1 R/H) are rear bolted. From the numbers it appears mid 1880's
Good luck, I hope all goes well and you get it
Tony
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Well, didn't get it.
Someone got a great rifle for an even greater price!
$4500 plus premium is about as low as a takedown Henry gets.
I guess I must find solace in the Alex Henry rifles I already have...
| lancaster |
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| 01/05/16 01:41 PM |
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had this with a Mannlicher Schönauer once, officially I was the highest bidder in the end but in the last millisecond there came a higher bid in as they told me
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If it was an internet auction it sounds as if someone put a sniper bid on it/them
They are beatable (depending on the auction site) - ebay is usually easy as it counts down the time available
PM me if you get another one and I will try to help
Tony
| Huvius |
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This was in the US at the Rock Island auction.
My guess is that someone put in the same internet bid as I but placed it before I did.
Just goes to show, if you are really serious, you must arrange a phone bid or have an agent at the auction.
If it were a right handed rifle, I would have done just that but I was hoping to snag a bargain so kind of went in on the soft side.
Its funny, R.I. has this "bid plus" feature which I considered but opted out on. I don't know if that would have made a difference but I will strongly consider it in the future.
| lancaster |
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Heeren Stutzen in 7x57R by Max Heym/Suhl für Gebrüder Kupfer /Dresden
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5955646
pre war single shot by Christian Friedrich Triebel, Suhl in 7x75R Super Expreß v. Hofe
original a 5,6x61R Super Expreß vom Hofe it was change in 7mm proably in 1979 in Ferlach
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5966787
| sharps4590 |
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Lancaster, that Mulazc takes the cake. Exquisite. I have a Johann Outschar stalking rifle with several very similar features.
| lancaster |
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| 29/07/16 04:40 AM |
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beautyful S&S carpathian rifle in 9,3x74R, proofed 2/1929
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6020895
the carpathian rifle is a special light made but hard hiting single shot for the mountain hunter who is going after the big red deer, wild boar and brown bear in the carpatian mountains
| lancaster |
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| 11/09/16 01:40 PM |
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if you want to hunt like Franz Josef
take this very nice Ischler Stutzen in 8x50R; Julius Rösler, Salzburg
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6072470
| lancaster |
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| 26/09/16 05:25 AM |
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talking about Ischler Stutzen now gone there was a very nice one in th Dorotheum auction house
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/i...p;currentpos=12
"F. Spurny in Wien" + "Jos. Heinige's Nachfahren" in 7x57R
Vienna and german proof in 1903
| Huvius |
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Holland and Holland Woodward 1895 patent falling block.
You could really pretend to be Selous with this one in hand!
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/595782796
| 3DogMike |
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| 05/11/16 04:16 AM |
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Ben,
Too bad it was not done with a barrel liner back to the original .375 Express......
- Mike
| Huvius |
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Yeah. 444 Marlin is a bit of an odd choice although there really aren't many choices in going up from .375 to something bigger when dealing with barrel diameter and breech diameter.
Would have made a great 450-400 but maybe the chamber couldn't accommodate it. Don't know that for sure but now there isn't anywhere to go from here unless the barrel can take a 450 bore.
| lancaster |
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| 20/02/17 12:38 AM |
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11mm Werndl hunting rifle https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aktu...l?currentPage=2
| lancaster |
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| 31/03/17 10:57 PM |
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"Dan'l Fraser & Co. / Guns & Rifles Manufacturers / 4 Leith St. Terrace Edinburgh" in .375 NE H&H Magnum
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/block...p;currentpos=50
Zeiss zielvier on claw mount
| Wayne59 |
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| 01/04/17 12:19 PM |
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Now that's a thing of beauty.
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 01/04/17 01:47 PM |
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Certainly is, very nice.
Waidmannsheil.
| Levallois |
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| 03/04/17 01:16 AM |
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Gorgeous !!
| Iowa_303s |
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| 03/04/17 02:19 AM |
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That side lever Fraser is a fine looking rifle!
Long, slender and graceful! I would like to handle and shoot that one.
| lancaster |
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| 18/04/17 05:25 AM |
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" Austro-Hungarian Model 1867 Werndl Sporter Rifle. { 11x42? or 11x58? rimmed}. Serial # 4283. Manufactured by Steyr, 1867-74. Sporterized by Joh Springer, Austria. Added was nice scrolling on the butt plate and trigger guard, double triggers (one set trigger), and express rear sight. Barrel length approx 22 1/2”, so it may be original carbine length, not a cut down rifle barrel. Wood is in VG condition. Metal finish 20% patina overall, no pitting. Stamped matching numbers on the trigger guard and bolt tab. Bore has VG (Hi VG) lands, grooved have a bright shine. $500 "
https://ganymede.meccahosting.com/~a0000ae7/aaresult.php?PageId=89
| DarylS |
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| 18/04/17 07:01 AM |
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Wouldn't it be fun to smack a moose with that one, Lancaster?
| lancaster |
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| 18/04/17 01:56 PM |
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no doubt
| lancaster |
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| 28/06/17 04:32 AM |
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danish remington rolling block sporterized for greenland http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6484201#img
| lancaster |
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| 10/09/17 02:24 PM |
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Albert Staehle in Wien 14 mm (28 ga) pinfire rifle , SN 545
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6593877
| lancaster |
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| 06/10/17 08:40 PM |
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allways nice Novotny in Prague, 9,5 mm rifle around 1875
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/k...;currentpos=112
22 lr singel shot stutzen by Gustloffwerke /Suhl
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/e...;currentpos=129
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| 05/11/17 11:55 PM |
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Larsen Liege, falling block, cal. ca 10 mm, SN 14-9895
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/gevar/4682_4
| DarylS |
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Some really interesting rifles, there, lancaster, the Nowotny in particular.
It appears to take a ctg. The ctg. is shoved into the chamber with the holding pin to the outside at 2 o'clock.
A percussion cap is placed on the central nipple.
The hammer is simply a way of cocking the action, and the striker is internal, hitting the cap to discharge the gun.
Most interesting - at least, that is the way I see this one working- a guess, in other words.
| lancaster |
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| 12/11/17 05:11 AM |
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5,6x52R by Heinz Stubenrauch/ Suhl,http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6632320
| lancaster |
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| 05/01/18 09:48 PM |
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450/400 2 3/8 BPE
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6756781
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| 31/01/18 10:11 AM |
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RE: Holt's Auction of a ALEXR. HENRY & CO. A FINE AND RARE .303 NITRO EXPRESS FRASER 1880 PATENT SIDELEVER TAKE-DOWN FALLING-BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 3474,
This is absolutely a beautiful gun. Thank you for showing it. I think most of us would love to have it but the price (including Holt's 25% commission & importation fee) may be high. Still, we can lust after this rifle.
| lancaster |
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| 19/02/18 05:28 AM |
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all in the coming Springer's auction
Ischlerstutzen A. Fischer - Schärding, 6,5x58R Sauer&Sohn, SN 1422
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/k...p;currentpos=95
Kahles H4x60 on claw mount, 1906 Ferlach proof
J. Outschar - Ferlach, 7x57R; #35123 with a second barrel by J. Koschat - Ferlach, 9,3x74R, #26828
proof 1950, Zeiss Diavari-Z 1,5-6x42 on claw mount
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/k...p;currentpos=90
Joh. Springer's Erben - Wien, 5,6x35R Vierling, #13201 single shot with a scaled down M 71 action
Kahles Mignon 4x20 on snap mount, proof 1907
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/e...p;currentpos=87
HOLLAND & HOLLAND, it seems the old barrel have a liner 5,6x52 R, scope is an Oigee Berlin
http://www.sajovec.de/angebote.html
| lancaster |
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| 16/03/18 06:06 AM |
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Husqvarna made Martiny rifle in 577/500 No. 2 BPE
https://ganymede.meccahosting.com/~a0000ae7/aaresult.php?PageId=89
| lancaster |
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| 16/04/18 02:27 AM |
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love the old Husqvarna rolling block stutzen
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v18/kulgevar/4962_9
10,75 mm caliber , what ever this is
SN 13896
| lancaster |
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| 27/04/18 04:39 AM |
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Sauer & Sohn Mod. Tell II, 5,6x35R Vierling), SN 178931
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/l...mp;currentpos=1
zeiss zielvier on vienna snap mount, collath typ turn safety
| rigbymauser |
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| 28/04/18 02:15 AM |
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Quote:
love the old Husqvarna rolling block stutzen
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v18/kulgevar/4962_9
10,75 mm caliber , what ever this is
SN 13896
The Germans had quite a few 10,75mm rimmed cartridges from Grundig, Dornheim, Collath, Roth.
Also 10,75x52R Mannlicher... 10,75x49R Werndl.....10,75x47 MB schiessenpatron,
| Igorrock |
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Quite probably 10,5x47R. At least Husqvarna used this kaliber.
| 85lc |
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I thought someone may be interested in a group of single shot actions that are being auctioned. It really looks like several nice actions.
See: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.a...ine%3D#topoflot
| xausa |
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| 07/05/18 06:15 AM |
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What a spectacular underestimation of what this grouping would bring! The commercial Sharps Borschardt and the DST Winchester High Walls look like real gems, and I know someone who could supply all the missing parts.
| lancaster |
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| 09/06/18 03:26 AM |
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a Beaumout action in 9,5x47R
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6980474
"Fritz von Stiften in Minden" action in 8,15x46R
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6983568
""Im Jahre 1904 hatte er den Betrieb seines Vaters Johann Friedrich von Sti ften übernommen.
Fritz von Sti ften erhält am 21.06.1927 ein DRP 467260 für einen sehr interessanten Drehblockverschluss,
der auf dem Aydt-Drehblockverschluss mit innenliegender V-Feder beruht. (Siehe Foto)
Dieses Scheibengewehr für den jagdlichen Bereich wurde von Georg Fährmann aus Zella-Mehlis im Oktober 1930
für Fritz von Sti ften aus Minden angefertigt.
Sein Firmenzeichen G.F.Z. im Oval finden wir des Ö fteren an Scheibenpistolen wie z.B. der Stötzer Perfekt."
Im Kaliber 8,15 x 46R mit dreifachen Stecher und Schiebesicherung.
Lauf innen blank! Mit Original Zielfernrohr!
Der Beschußtag war im Oktober 1930 (10.30) und die dazugehörige Journalnummer ist 567."
"Frederick Courteney Selous" .256 Holland & Holland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uo5Ziaxhow
| Louis |
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| 09/06/18 04:29 PM |
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Thank you for teaching us, Lancaster; I had never heard about the Von Stiften falling block system!
Louis
| lancaster |
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| 10/06/18 04:04 AM |
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teaching you? such things were safe here because I see them the first time
| Igorrock |
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| 10/06/18 04:40 PM |
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This patented action looks quite similar with these .22 LR actions whose are not so uncommon here in Finland. Before WWII Finnish Home Guard bought quite many of them for target shooting purposes.
| lancaster |
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| 16/06/18 04:33 AM |
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needle fire hunting rifle made for Karl XV (1826-1872), king of sweden and norway proably in the 1860s
by Hans Larsen
https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/taendnaalsgevaer-foer-karl-xv-1860-tal/i5022181/#
| fuhrmann |
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| 22/06/18 12:03 AM |
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Now here is THE Ischler Stutzen.
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/l...mp;currentpos=6
| lancaster |
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| 22/06/18 02:08 AM |
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magnificent, well thats an ischler stutzen
" Beschreibung
60 cm Achtkantlauf, Gold eingelegter Herstellername und Goldkordel an der Laufwurzel, Standvisier, geschwungen gefeilte Muschel, T-Riegel Verschluss Typ Lefaucheux, langer Unterhebel unter dem Vorderschaft, helle gerundete Basküle, Hahnschloss mit rückliegender Feder, kleines Gegenblech, alles graviert mit spärlichen Arabesken, Hahn mit Hasenohrsporn und Sicherungsschieber, Klappdiopter in der Scheibe, Abzugsbügel mit Fingerrillen, deutscher Stecher, Stahlschaftkappe, Ganzschaft aus Nussholz mit geradem Schaftrücken, geschwungene Backe, darin Gold eingelegter Gams, 33 cm, einteiliger Vorderschaft mit Tropfnase aus Horn, Putzstockhalter aus Geweih, Pflasterlade mit Schubdeckel, darin der zweite Teil des Putzstockes, Horngriff für diesen unten am Kolbenverschraubt, Riemenbügel, 3 kg, BJ ca. 1880, gültiger Nachbeschuss 2004, funktionale historische Jagdwaffe aus der Zeit Kaiser Franz Joseph I. in erstklassiger Erhaltung, Zustand II-III. "
caliber looks like 11,6x60R 450 BPE, maybe not the best for the gams
hope you are well and alive Fuhrmann
| fuhrmann |
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| 22/06/18 04:14 PM |
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Hi Lancaster
thanks for doing the work that I was too lazy to do - copying the pictures etc!
Alive and well, thanks too, after some hospital visits recently.
Check the maker, Leithner in Ischl. I did not realize before he was active into breech loader times. This is quite the nonplusultra Ischlerstutzen. Interesting to see all those little muzzleloader details that were retained, including the little golden "Gams" in the cheekpiece - was this a "trademark" of Leithner?
I guess at that time, 1880 and compared to muzzleloader ballistics, .450 BPE was quite advanced.
Here is a similar rifle, caliber 12.5 mm Lefaucheux.
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/so...in-ischl--78352
And some older percussion rifles from Leithner:
https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aktu...ionsbuchse.html
https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aktu...er-stutzen.html
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/perkussionsstutzen/l/77059
Cheers and Hurra die Gams
fuhrmann
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| 22/06/18 06:05 PM |
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Absolute gems aren't they!!!!
Thanks for sharing Lancaster, keep up the good work.
Cheers
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| lancaster |
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| 06/07/18 04:11 PM |
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M. Brunner- Brugg/switzerland
Stutzen with Martini action 8x57I, 2,5 Kahles on claw mount http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7016897
| Huvius |
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In the Rock Island auction Feb 17
The Westley 1869 is a bit rough (replacement forend and likely butt)but interestingly proved at 48 bore.
That equates to .461" so may be chambered in a Gibbs cartridge.
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/1032/6323/two-single-shot-rifles
| lancaster |
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| 18/02/19 07:43 PM |
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turk peabody martiny sporter in 8mm, proably captured on the balkan and later sporterized
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6060136/
| fuhrmann |
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Here is one more Ischler Stutzen by Leithner, an early breech loader.
Interesting how the muzzleloader apperance is kept
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...p;currentpos=16
| DarylS |
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By 1860, some of the Lefaucheu-action-type guns were being noticed in India & hope and speculation they could be made in larger calibres, suitable for dangerous game.
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| 05/03/19 05:37 AM |
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makes a stunning pair with the muzzle loader you post in the other thread
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turk peabody martiny sporter in 8mm, proably captured on the balkan and later sporterized
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6060136/
Interesting Lancaster - not sure if that 'part' on the forward edge of the action, but it's like a rear peep sight arrangement?
Definitely unusual that is for sure.
Perhaps DoubleD might be able to shed dome light on this one......most unusual indeed!
Corker find mate as always!
Cheers
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| DarylS |
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This is a single shot you fellows over in Europe may have seen before. I was told it was built by a guy in Ontario in 1912, but ?????
Model 71 action, S# on it is 3886N. That is the only stamping on the top-side of the action. It has a 29 1/2" bl. and is chambered in 8.15x46R.
It is obvious from the muzzle and breech, this rifle has been re-lined. Interesting choice of calibres.
It is a lot of fun to shoot offhand. Holds like a dream!
Jacketed ammo is loaded with 174gr. RN .312" Hornady's, which it shoots as well as the .314" 198gr. cast bullets I first tried.
I will attempt to pick up a .315" mould, as that is the groove dia. of this rifle.
I consistently was able to hit the big rectangular plate at 200 meters, offhand, with both jacketed and cast bullets. The plate is 14" x 16".
| lancaster |
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| 31/08/19 10:37 PM |
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ALEX HENRY
A .45-90 CAL. HENRY PATENT FALLING-BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 5771,
36in. black powder proofed replacement two stage barrel, tunnel fore-sight, the hand mounted with a vernier rear-sight, plain action, cranked right hand lockplate signed 'A. HENRY', some external pitting, 14 1/4in. stock including 5/8in. ebonite extension, sling eyes, weight 10lb.
Provenance: Noted historian Donald Dallas has provided us with the following information:
This is an incredibly rare 3rd quality sealing rifle sold in 1884. Henry built around 478 sealing rifles for use in and around Greenland on the whalers. Due to their hard usage virtually none survive and this is the ONLY example I have ever come across!
https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...675&image=2
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Must have been 'sniping' at the seals with this one Lancaster with a peep of that travel range!
Amazing considering the salt water exposure, it appears to be in pretty good nick alright!
| lancaster |
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| 02/09/19 04:42 AM |
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dont believe this rifle see action before greenland
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I think what this rifle started as and what it is now is not the same. The clue is in the description,'.45-90 CAL." and "replacement two stage barrel". Sights are a clue also.
I think Author Dallas is reporting is what it says in Henry files as to what this rifle was sent out as. Not what it is now.
| Huvius |
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Exactly.
Could have had a bad bore and as such a good candidate to rebarrel and sight as a long range black powder cartridge rifle.
A lot more interesting than a Sharps or Winchester 1885 in my opinion.
| DarylS |
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| 03/09/19 12:40 PM |
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A like-condition original 16 to 18 pound Model 74 Sharps would most certainly have a higher re-sale price. A lighter, standard Sharps, maybe not - I do not know.
As a shooter & talking point around here, no contest, the Alex Henry all the way - OH WOW!
| Ash |
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| 03/09/19 07:26 PM |
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What’s the story with the Wesson rifles that look very similar to a henry? What came first?
| lancaster |
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| 02/11/19 05:47 AM |
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german falling block rilfe in 7x65R https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6462326/#
| lancaster |
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| 18/11/19 02:19 AM |
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11 mm Werndl hunting rifle https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7687107
| lancaster |
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like this manton for the .375 NE flangerd
https://www.universalusedguns.com.au/fine-guns/26-fine-guns/4442-joseph-manton-375-nitro-2-5-sp
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https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=138
hammer break action rifle "Ischler Stutzen" Joseph Heinige - Vienna, 6,5x70R,61 cm octagonal barrel, engine turned top side, open sights, inscribed "Boehler Blitz Stahl" and "Jos. Orasche - Ferlach", rounded action with traces of colour, rotating T bolt action with underlever beneath the trigger guard, on the right a back action hammer lock, inscribed "J. Heinige in Wien", hammer with hare's ear spur, fine scroll engraved, single set trigger, folding aperture in tang, engraved steel buttplate with trap for 2 cartridges, original walnut full-stock, split fore-end with lever fastener, semi-pistol grip, oval cheekpiece, Viennese claw mounted Kahles Mignon 4x20, lenses a little dull, year of manufacture presumably before 1900, obsolete Ferlach proof, Joseph Heinige is registered in Vienna about 1880, the barrel has presumably been replaced in 1937 in Ferlach, condition 4. The seller also offers reloading components /dies for this hard to get calibre.
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=144
hammer break action rifle Noeschel - Suhl, 11,15x60R Mauser 68 cm octagonal barrel, silver inlaid inscribed "Fr. J. Noeschel in Suhl" and "Guss Stahl", adjustable open sights, rounded bright action, engraved with bold foliate scroll, long horn underlever beneath the fore-end, rebounding back-action hammer lock, percussion style carved fence on the right, folding aperture on tang, single set trigger, grained walnut stock, fore-end with wedge fastener, carved horn finger rest, trigger guard in French style, sloping cheekpiece, steel buttplate 35 cm, sling swivels, year of manufacture about 1875, condition III.
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=145
hammer break action rifle Wilhelm Foerster - Berlin, 10,5x47R BP
66 cm octagonal barrel, inscribed "W. Foerster - Koenigl.Hofbüchsenm: Berlin", open sights with additional folding leaf, rounded bright action, engraved with foliate scroll, long horn underlever beneath the fore-end, rebounding back-action hammer lock, percussion style shaped fence on the left and right, the left with a blind striker, folding aperture on tang, single set trigger, grained walnut stock, fore-end with lever fastener, carved horn finger rest, oval cheekpiece, chequered steel buttplate 34 cm, sling swivels, year of manufacture around 1875, condition III.
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=149
break action rifle Holland & Holland - London, "Rook Rifle", 5,6x52R (=.22 Savage Hi-Power),66 cm octagonal barrel, inscribed with New Bond Street address and "Winners of All the Field Rifle Trials" as well as ".295 Semi Smooth Bore", open sights with two additional folding leaves, "50, 100, 150" yards, ejector, slender action, well recognisable traces of colour, scroll engraved with maker's name, finely adjusted trigger, automatic sliding tang safety with gold inlaid "Safe", straight grained walnut stock, shallow pistol grip with engraved steel pistol grip cap, oval cheekpiece, steel buttplate 37,5 cm, engraved silver stock oval, tear-off fore-end with horn tip, pivot mount bases, detachable sling swivels, year of manufacture after 1895, adapted to the 5,6x52R by an inserted barrel, London re-proof 1995, restored to condition 3.
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=243
Air rifle Paul Giffard - St. Etienne, 8 mm ball 60 cm rifled barrel, engraved "Manufacture Francaise (in Gold: St. Etienne) D´Armes Et Cycles De Saint-Etienne", beneath that a detachable cylinder tank, No, 12349, dovetailed adjustable sights, tilting lever for reloading, central hammer with reducing screw to adjust gas volume, finely adjusted direct trigger, walnut buttstock, straight hand, 34 cm, original blueing, bright bore, year of manufacture about 1880, condition II-III.
| lancaster |
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this is the best vintage airgun I have seen in years
https://ateliersaintetienne31.fr/armes-d...t-fin-18eme-d1/
JOH : MÜLLER :IN PERLSBERG now in czechia
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What a very beautiful air rifle. Great craftsmanship. Thanks for sharing.
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That rear sight is fantastic how the aperture is adjusted within the sight body!
Very cool!
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Certainly is an interesting design and high-end rifle.
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send the pics to a friend in czechia who collect old bohemian made guns because it falls into his area. he write me back that he was the second bidder on this years ago and be happy it still exist but it dont become cheaper over the time - quite the opposite
the design is typical for old german airguns and also came into the united states by german gunmakers. before the great war they were made most notably by Oskar Will Venuswaffenwerk in Zella St. Blasii, since 1919 connected with Mehlis into Zella Mehlis near Suhl
here is typical Kurbelspanner https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/spring-piston-crank-wound-airguns/o-will-kurbelspanner/
the design was later simplified by adding a lever like this one
https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=8223315#
from time to time I get lust to by such a airgun
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WOW - the Kurbelspanner rifle in the first link is sure in rough shape.
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friend send me pics of a Francotte in5,6x35R Vierling with a Warnant action, something you only see on 6mm and 9 mm Flobert guns http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20t%20w/a%20warnant%20creon%20julien%20gb.htm
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the dream of a boy's gun, would like to see how it works: LANGENHAM, GERMANY
A RARE .177 & 9mm (FLOBERT) BREAK-BARREL CONVERTIBLE AIR-RIFLE, MODEL 'ARBENZ PATENT GEM', serial no. 10413,
circa 1910, with smooth-bore .177 insert inside the smooth-bore 17 3/4in. two-stage blued shot-barrel, dove-tailed fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight to the dolls-head locking latch, the top-flat of barrel signed 'PATENT' with the Langenham crossed pistol trade-mark and 'GEM No. 10413', the left hand upper flat marked 'ARBENZ'S PATENT', the breech-face marked '13 20673 95' on the barrel section, the air-chamber face with floating firing pin and marked '73', two exposed tabs for inner barrel removal and a further wing-nut on the right hand side possibly for pin replacement, slanted nickel-plated air-chamber, walnut butt-stock, semi crescent plated heel-plate, plated cocking link forming the trigger-guard (link pin poor replacement) and much original finish remaining
https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...5&saletype=
must be a air gun but how do it work with the the 9 mm Flobert rimfire?
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Lancaster, Much to my surprize I do not find the Selous plates to be uncomfortable on my G Gibbs in 303, (obviously re barrelled from something more interesting), even in the 40 deg C temperatures here in France, I am sure this is due to the fact that the plates are very thin, and closely fitted the stock , I have not yet tested them in sub zero temperatures. Stay safe! Chris B.
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werder hunting rifle https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=9663776
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6 mm flobert single shot break action but coming with a second shorter barrel
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=10045912#img
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Oberhammer/ München Combination, yet unknown caliber 5,6mm and 16-65
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love this rifles with a shotgun barrel underneath
do you think this a Mauser 71 action modification?
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Appears to me to be a similar flavour, however I think it is a "one-off" gun designed and 'custom' made, likely in a German or Austrian shop.
It is also similar (idea) to some of Billinghurst Harmonica-actions of the percussion period in the USA.
Quite an interesting design and operation, with the shotgun chamber sliding sideways to be in line with the action and butt stock.
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do you think this a Mauser 71 action modification?
Havent it in my hands right now, but i dont think its an 71 action.
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Appears to me to be a similar flavour, however I think it is a "one-off" gun designed and 'custom' made, likely in a German or Austrian shop.
Quite an interesting design and operation, with the shotgun chamber sliding sideways to be in line with the action and butt stock.
Oberhammer in Munich had an "DRGM" on this construction or parts. This "DRGM" was granted in July 1896. The title referred to a "military rifle with a shot barrel underneath". But - this system of the gun i bought i have never seen as military system. Oberhammer was able to manufacture weapons himself, so I assume that the weapon was made in his workshop. As you can see in the link rifles like these from Oberhammer are known- but with the Mauser98 System.
http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/oberhammer-peter-of-munich/
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nice rigby rimfire rifle https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=9661939
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Now THAT is pretty cool & with beautiful colours!
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Regarding these little rifles what is the function of the spring mounted on the left side of the action.
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That is the non-selective ejector spring, unlike on a quality double gun, these rook rifles eject the spent case or unfired cartridge every time the gun is opened up.
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Thank you.
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Going back to the Oberhammer combination #344744......
So, the riddle continues .....
Chamber cast gives exact the dimensions for the 5,6x52R aka .22 Savage High Power. But - this system is too weak for that, only locking over the bolt handle approach. What the hell.......
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Was there a European low pressure loading for that round?
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I have never heard of one, nor is it mentioned in the literature of the time i have. A mystery to me.
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Interesting the chamber, 5.6x52R would be for that round, a lever action round of 48,000PSI on pezio, 42,000(crusher) CIP numbers. There are no SAAMI numbers for it listed in the KwK chart.
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the 22 savage high power could have - per definition - no low power load
sometimes it remains a mystery, maybe you made a handload in the .22 hornet class to stay safe
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| 19/11/20 05:39 AM |
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a 14 mmm = 32 ga pin fire rifle by Lefaucheux Inventeur rue Vivienne 37, Paris
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=8648770
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.54 or .55 cal. or thereabouts
Nice shape.
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Immanuel Meffert Suhl 11mm caliber, Mauser 71 style rifle
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=13963186
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Very refined rifle.
Louis
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Agreed - a special rifle indeed.
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Gebr. Adamy Suhl single shot in .375 Mag NE flanged https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=13999559
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Martini Enfield made or sold by 'A. THORESSON NYLAND' probably in sweden
13 mm Kaliber ??? https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7178419/#
Ischler Stutzen by Wolfgang Leithner in Bad Ischl,gunmaker of Kaiser Franz Josef I.
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7178416/#
11,6x60R 450 BPE
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Lancaster,
another classic rifle from Leithner!
Whatever one may think about modern rifles built in the old-fashioned way, this may be a classic of tomorrow - in my eyes Mr. Wutti certainly has built the nicest Ischler Stutzen in our time.
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...mp;currentpos=7
hammer break action rifle "Ischler Stutzen" M. Wutti - Geisthal, 6,5x65R, Starting price 9.000 EUR
Detail
60 cm octagonal barrel, stepped partially matted rib, iron sights, extractor, doll's head, bright rounded action, engraved with fine scroll and scenes of roe deer and chamois, marmots on the lock plate, signed "W. Fauland", finely carved fence in percussion style, on the right a rebounding back action hammer lock, hare's ear spur, external safety lever, double set trigger, carved horn finger rest, contrastingly grained walnut full stock, French polished, fine chequering, sloping cheekpiece, en-suite engraved steel buttplate with trap for 3 cartridges, 38,5 cm, sling swivels, split fore-end, horn schnabel, Deeley latch, German claw mounted Zeiss Diatal-C 6x32, reticle Plex, year of manufacture 1993, traditional stalking rifle of this exclusive maker in the style of the fin de siècle, condition 1.
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Fancy hammer, like on some early shotguns.
The whole guns is quite special.
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well, I love the late 19.century BP stutzen
like this Husqvarna https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14429849
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H.Barella Berlin, pinfire stalking rifle 16,3 mm caliber (20ga?)
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7315159/#
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austrian stalking rifle, 450 caliber - probably the 11,6x60R 450BPE
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/7346878/
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I follow some classic airguns in auction and its astonishing what they end now if in good to very good condition
Haenel model 4
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14568570#img
sold for 814 euro
Diana Model 14 a "Mauserlein" ( little mauser)
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14578376
sold for 1005 euro
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Indeed, 800 to 1,000 EU. WOW!
1,000eu is $1,423.00 here.
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there is a growing market by collectors who don't want the hassle with gun licence. good to pristine pre war airguns bringing a lot of money today.
was in Suhl last week, we visit some people there.
there was a weapon cabinet in the house of a descendant of an old gunmaker family full with vintage airguns probably worth like mine with vintage big bore rifles today.
| lancaster |
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two real vintage airguns with full stock, missing the crank
https://mickessvartkrutsvapen.com/category/luftgevar/originalwill/
and the second airgun
| lancaster |
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hammer break action rifle, W. Meller - St. Pölten, Ischler Stutzen, 5.6 x 50 R
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=189
60 cm octagonal barrel with slide-in barrel, double barrel hook with doll's head, engine-turned rib, rear sight with additional rear sight blade that can be set up, and folding sight in the target, extractor, rounded bascule, arabesque engraving, recoiling cock lock with recoiling springs, double set trigger, walnut stock, oval cheek piece, metal cap with stock magazine 35 cm, German claw mounted Swarovski Habicht 4, year of manufacture 1913, re-firing 1974 #291974, condition 4
| lancaster |
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a single shot rifle for the 5,6x35R Vierling, proofed 10/1925 in suhl
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14624581
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Lancaster,
Thanks for posting. That is a very beautiful rifle.
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Very nice.
So many lovely vintage firearms in Germany and neighbouring countries at decent prices. If many Euro countries did not limit how many could be owned, one could end up with a hundred!
| lancaster |
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the warnant action was used for cheap garden guns
here a very well made little rifle for an unknown 9 mm center fire cartridge
nice little rifle https://www.schulerauktionen.ch/en/items/164-1076-jagdbuechse
| lancaster |
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Holland & Holland, Rookrifle .360 No5
https://auctionet.com/de/2066499-bullet-...he-nr-gebraucht
Husqvarna model 33 , 9x57R 360
https://auctionet.com/de/2034740-kugelge...he-nr-se0118797
think the doig engraving is one of the best I ever see
Holland&Holland .295
https://auctionet.com/de/2138787-bullet-...he-nr-se0781588
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The HH Hammerless Rookrifle is "secured".LOL
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Lovely!
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Quote:
The HH Hammerless Rookrifle is "secured".LOL
secured for you?
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Quote:Quote:
The HH Hammerless Rookrifle is "secured".LOL
secured for you?
Yep
Last minut decision. I was lukewarm...but then commen sense had to step aside...LOL
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congratulation
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Yes indeed.
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scope and scope mount is not period but a charming kipplauf in 8,15x46R https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18378062
| lancaster |
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Merkel singel shot in 9,3x74R , proof 12 1937 for Glaser in switzerland
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19136049
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wonder nobody make a comment about this great break action rifle in the "african model" mauser style
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Oh that's a wonderful rifle! I was afraid if I thought too much about it I would try to buy it!!!
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don't panic, it sold very fast for a fixed price of 5600 euro but you can still see the auction site
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again two husqvarna rolling blocks
a model 33 in 6x36 https://auctionet.com/de/2611795-gun-rol...-nr-29679-se-nr
and another one in 9 mm maybe 9,3x57R aka 360 BPE
https://auctionet.com/de/2658986-gun-rol...nr-0222-8-se-no
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Johann Petermann in vienna, 9,5 mm calaiber
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8566981/#
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1955 made Sauer & Sohn break action Stutzen in 7x57R with another short forestock
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...mp;currentpos=5
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very nice single shot by Springer's Erben with two barrels 7x57R and 8,15x46R
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19295020
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A nice .303 sporting martini just sold today for $2400 plus commission. Condition was particularly nice, especially the wood. Price was about $800 over where I thought it would end. I've wanted a 303 or 450 sporting martini for a while now. Missed a couple at Holts. I guess I need to calibrate my spending expectations.
https://bid.paauctioncenter.com/ui/auctions/107930/13439553
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Single shot martini style lever action rifle. Features, Front fixed and rear Tangent adjustable sight with (2) folding leaves, Blued finish, Case hardened hammer and lever, Fine checkered wooden pistol grip stock and forend with black nose cap, Sling mounts, Metal trapdoor butt plate, Barrel length, 24". SN:015418. Condition: Very Good. Excellent mirror bore and strong action with great rifling, All metal retains 85% original blued with usual light wear at areas and turning to patina, Stock and forend are solid free of cracks and breaks with light handling marks throughout, Good clean working trapdoor butt plate with no contents inside.
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I have an eye open for vintage (pre 1900) airguns and just now when I wait very nervous for the end of such an auction two other guns came into auction in sweden
one is a Kurbelspanner - crank cocking action(?) by G.Noack in Berlin
https://auctionet.com/de/3282604-ein-deu...e-halfte-des-19
the crank is missing like on most guns from this time
because of the local Berlin connection I would bid on this if there was not the other option now
second is a Hebelspanner - lever cocking action
https://auctionet.com/de/3282476-luftgewehr-zweite-halfte-des-19-jahrhunderts
such vintage airguns are very hard to find, they were offer up to 1900 but then driven out of the market by the new Will Bügelspanner - triggerguard cocking action
you see its basically the same gun but more comfortable than the old
cross your fingers that I have a new vintage airgun in two weeks
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Hope you have 2 Lancaster!
Fingers crossed for you mate.
What do you replace the likes of old leather buckets with then, must be a fiddly job by the looks of that?
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actually the action is very simple - the best way to make an action long lasting
I repair common airguns for friends but using only available parts you can buy. never remake a leather bucket but its not rocket science. You cut out the part, make it soft with water, then bring it in form with home made tools and let it dry.
to be true the Oskar Will airgun get a new leather bucket by my gunmaker.
I dont want to break anything on such a valuable airgun.
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A nice .303 sporting martini just sold today for $2400 plus commission. Condition was particularly nice, especially the wood. Price was about $800 over where I thought it would end. I've wanted a 303 or 450 sporting martini for a while now. Missed a couple at Holts. I guess I need to calibrate my spending expectations.
https://bid.paauctioncenter.com/ui/auctions/107930/13439553
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Single shot martini style lever action rifle. Features, Front fixed and rear Tangent adjustable sight with (2) folding leaves, Blued finish, Case hardened hammer and lever, Fine checkered wooden pistol grip stock and forend with black nose cap, Sling mounts, Metal trapdoor butt plate, Barrel length, 24". SN:015418. Condition: Very Good. Excellent mirror bore and strong action with great rifling, All metal retains 85% original blued with usual light wear at areas and turning to patina, Stock and forend are solid free of cracks and breaks with light handling marks throughout, Good clean working trapdoor butt plate with no contents inside.
I have a couple of these, none no where near as nice. Price paid even plus commission is low for what I have seen over the years. for similar guns
| DarylS |
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| 22/01/24 05:27 AM |
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That lever cocker and the other two are quite the air guns.
Cool Martini, DD.
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| 22/01/24 06:49 AM |
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Nice Martini DoubleD!
Cool lever on that old girl, would it still have the latching arrangement or just hold shut anyway?
| DarylS |
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| 22/01/24 09:47 AM |
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The leather 'bucket/washer' is not difficult to make. My father replaced the one on my brother's Slavia air rifle when we were kids. Shot that gun a LOT.
By the time we were teenagers, there were no sights on it???? No idea why, but we still had no trouble shooting beer bottle caps in the window (no glass) of the horse barn when relatives were over for an evening, in the summer.
Seems that pellet rifle ALWAYS made a showing and NONE of the adults could learn to shoot it well due to the lack of sights. They (especially my RCMP uncle) marveled we were so good with it.
Upon questioning, telling them to simply look at the bottle cap over the barrel didn't help. LOL Instinctive shooting is even more accurate with a rifle, compared to a bow.
Can you tell, I still love shooting air rifles.
That trigger guard lever .25 cal is super!! I have 4 of them, all PCP.
| DoubleD |
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| 23/01/24 02:27 AM |
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That isn't my Martin-I wish. That is the pictures from CJF's original post.
I have several similar, but no where near as nice.
| CJF |
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| 24/01/24 03:55 AM |
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Quote:
That isn't my Martin-I wish. That is the pictures from CJF's original post.
I have several similar, but no where near as nice.
I really liked the rifle but didn't bid enough. I'm a bit awash in small bore martinis but have nothing larger than a 300 Sherwood. Some day when I stop putting myself in the poorhouse for double rifles I will rectify that.
| lancaster |
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| 04/02/24 05:11 AM |
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this beauty of a teutonic hunting rifle was build by Husqvarna in sweden https://auctionet.com/de/3304312-remington-25-20-58379
small size rem roll bloc action in 25-20
would be the right stuff for me
| lancaster |
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| 15/02/24 06:58 AM |
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again two beautyful german made vintage airguns for sale in sweden
https://auctionet.com/de/3323659-ein-luf...19-jahrhunderts
the target practise rifle for the gentleman hunter than
https://auctionet.com/de/3323659-ein-luf...19-jahrhunderts
marked J.O Ahlstedt Stockholm, (J.O Ahlstedt, 1847-1915)
both could be made by Oskar Will in Zella St. Blasi
| DarylS |
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| 15/02/24 11:50 AM |
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VERY interesting rifles.
| lancaster |
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| 24/02/24 10:46 PM |
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Werndl Stutzen 11x40R https://www.armiusate.it/ex-ordinanza-av...11x41r_i1176235
| DarylS |
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| 25/02/24 03:51 AM |
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Some of those old flip-open actions are pretty neat.
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| 25/02/24 08:48 AM |
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A real 'rolling block' isn't it!
Just not the Remington type!
| lancaster |
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| 24/03/24 06:46 AM |
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beautyful stalking rifle by Heinrich Leue Berlin, 11 mm caliber https://www.czernys.com/asta-139/?o=110834
| DarylS |
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| 24/03/24 10:07 AM |
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Would that be 11x60mm (.43 Mauser) or a shorter case?
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| 24/03/24 03:54 PM |
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Interesting breech loader. Looks so much like a muzzle loader.
| lancaster |
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| 24/03/24 04:55 PM |
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11,15x60R Mauser71 is the most likely candidate
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| 25/03/24 07:09 AM |
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Beautiful engraving to say the least, amazing work!