Huvius
(.416 member)
07/10/22 12:01 PM
R. Wallis 8Bore Single

OK, OK, not a "Bore Rifle" or Paradox but a very economical entry into the world of 8bore cartridge guns!

R. Wallis 26 Trothy Rd. Southwark Park Rd. London on the full length rib.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/26+Trothy+Rd

My desire is to use this gun as a shot & ball gun as the barrel is now 29.5" which almost certainly was once longer as most of these 8bore guns were well over 30"
If it is truly cut back and cylinder bore, it should fit the bill nicely.
I especially like the shape of the trigger guard and lever.

Overall, a nicely proportioned and high quality gun that is a good evolutionary step up from my Rodda muzzle loader.



















3DogMike
(.400 member)
07/10/22 12:46 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Ben, now you have a real Turkey gun!
- Mike


Huvius
(.416 member)
07/10/22 12:48 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Excellent notion!
I also thought a gun for the Light Goose conservation season in S. Colorado.
They pretty much want you to eradicate as many as you can...


DarylS
(.700 member)
07/10/22 12:59 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Over decoys - devastating with #3 or #4 shot.
Both your limit and your buddy's with one shot.
REALLY nice gun. It will be interesting to see how it shoots with balls.
A hollowed wad would hold a slightly undersized ball in the middle of the bore.
That would likely result in no leading and just as good or perhaps even better accuracy.


3DogMike
(.400 member)
07/10/22 01:34 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Excellent notion!
I also thought a gun for the Light Goose conservation season in S. Colorado.
They pretty much want you to eradicate as many as you can...



Hmmm…..so the Light Goose does not come under the Fed Migratory Waterfowl Regs that torpedo any use of larger than 10 Bore? Interesting.
- Mike


lancaster
(.470 member)
07/10/22 03:44 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

bad news, the gun ist to damend nice to shoot it

DarylS
(.700 member)
07/10/22 05:58 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Mike- in Canada, the 8 bore is prohibited firearm, regardless that not factory ammo is made for it, even though that one is an antique.
Nothing over 10 bore here.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
07/10/22 06:33 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Ben, great buy. I like it.

What's the difference tween a 8 bore elephant gun and this? Other than maybe rifling? I would think some early ML 8 bores might have been smooth bores shooting ball.

Would your gun use similar powder charges i.e. in its case?


DarylS
(.700 member)
08/10/22 03:41 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Lt. James Forsyth spoke of smoothbore 8's, 10's and 12's in his book "Sporting Rifles and Their Projectiles" in 1861/2.

Huvius
(.416 member)
08/10/22 08:09 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Dang!
Looks like Colorado doesn't allow any gun bigger than 10ga too.
Once I get some chamber measurements I'll know if brass or paper (plastic maybe) hulls will be needed.
Eyeballing the chamber, it looks like brass would be most likely.


3DogMike
(.400 member)
08/10/22 01:40 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Dang!
Looks like Colorado doesn't allow any gun bigger than 10ga too.
Once I get some chamber measurements I'll know if brass or paper (plastic maybe) hulls will be needed.
Eyeballing the chamber, it looks like brass would be most likely.



Even on Turkey? Marmots? Rabbits? Coyote?" ……….. Barn Pigeons? (ignore the 8 Bore hole in your barn roof).

Not saying 8 Bore is a bit over gunned for such wild beasts, have to use what you have

-Mike


DarylS
(.700 member)
08/10/22 05:05 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Until May 1st 2021, 8 bores were fine here as long as they weren't used on migratory water fowl.
Since May 1st 2021, ALL(20 mil) which includes 8 bores or over, along with rifles producing over 7,375.6 fpe are prohibited.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
08/10/22 06:28 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Quote:

Dang!
Looks like Colorado doesn't allow any gun bigger than 10ga too.
Once I get some chamber measurements I'll know if brass or paper (plastic maybe) hulls will be needed.
Eyeballing the chamber, it looks like brass would be most likely.



Even on Turkey? Marmots? Rabbits? Coyote?" ……….. Barn Pigeons? (ignore the 8 Bore hole in your barn roof).

Not saying 8 Bore is a bit over gunned for such wild beasts, have to use what you have

-Mike




If not completely banned, what happens on a farm stays on the farm.


tinker
(.416 member)
09/10/22 02:04 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Fantastic looking gun
I bet it balances well and handles well for it's weight

On the topic of rules and cartridge size, for hunting and field use around the state with shotshells, you can run a chamber adapter and use 10 gauge ammunition

Problem solved
Go hunting

Doesn't completely solve the shot and ball question, but I'd be looking at the language of the law to see if the regulation is solely written to govern shotshell use
Depending on the language, solid ball in 8-bore might actually be ok


tinker
(.416 member)
09/10/22 02:15 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

I'm looking at the regulations, and the gauge restrictions are relative to bird hunting

As for big game hunting, I'm not seeing a restriction that would keep anyone from going with the 8-bore ball


3DogMike
(.400 member)
09/10/22 02:44 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Shock & Awe on the deer stand

There is a fellow in the upper midwest that has used a muzzle loading cannon with what I'd call "grape shot" (multiple 12 ga balls) to take a deer…..hopefully long past any chance of running afoul of some arcane statute of limitations issue…..
- Mike


Huvius
(.416 member)
09/10/22 03:50 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

As far as I can see, the DOW is concerned more with minimum requirements for rifle.

From the Colorado Big Game regulations:

3. SHOTGUNS
a. Must be minimum 20 gauge and fire a single slug. Use of buckshot is illegal
for hunting big game.
b. Barrel must be a minimum of 18 inches long. Minimum overall length must
be 26 inches.

She'd be legal for sure for big game.


Huvius
(.416 member)
09/10/22 04:17 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Full length glamour shot:




tinker
(.416 member)
09/10/22 05:23 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

It's a honey for sure

lancaster
(.470 member)
09/10/22 05:28 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

yes, a real beauty

93x64mm
(.416 member)
09/10/22 06:59 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

You have a wonderful piece there Huvius!
Like the idea of the chamber adaptor to get around stupid laws


DarylS
(.700 member)
09/10/22 10:26 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

How would the 10 bore wads seal in the larger bores?

Huvius
(.416 member)
09/10/22 10:35 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

How would the 10 bore wads seal in the larger bores?




I wouldn't think all that well.
Maybe a greased cloth wad that is pliable and oversized for the case would open up and seal behind the hard wads - not sure.
I don't think I'll worry too much about using this gun for shotgun hunting, roundballs are my interest.

Didn't one of our members have a "Equatorial Rifle"? That's what I'm trying to emulate here...


3DogMike
(.400 member)
09/10/22 12:18 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

I think the concept of chamber adapters success more applies to shells using modern shot cup type wads. the base of the shot cup would not have that far to flair out from modern 10Ga to 8Bore ….. nominally .775' to .835" so .060" total divided by 2 is only .030" each side.

Traditional card & fibre, greased cloth, whatever wads might not be a good solution to the chamber adapter…..

- Mike


degoins
(.333 member)
12/10/22 05:08 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Full length glamour shot:







Glamourous indeed......WOW!!


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
12/10/22 10:07 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Full length glamour shot:







You're ready for 100lb bull elephant in the jess.


DarylS
(.700 member)
12/10/22 12:27 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

That sure is QUITE a gun.

3DogMike
(.400 member)
12/10/22 12:32 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Question:
What does this beauty weigh and what length chambers? If Ben has posted that info I entirely missed it.

Just as a guess based on experience, if this gun is not 13 (and a bit) pounds with an 8 Dram load under a ~900 grain ball or more like 15+ pounds with a 10 Dram load it WILL get exciting.

Fortunately we here in Colorado, USA are fresh out of any Cape Buffalo, Asian Gaur, or Elephant (our original "indigenous people" evidently wiped them out thousands of years ago before any white privilege raised its ugly head). Therefore the need for the real no kidding full power dangerous game 8 Bore loadings of 8-10 Drams is rather moot…..
- Mike


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
12/10/22 11:22 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Quote:

Therefore the need for the real no kidding full power dangerous game 8 Bore loadings of 8-10 Drams is rather moot…..
- Mike




But it would be fun.


DarylS
(.700 member)
13/10/22 03:37 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Being a single shot, any load could be used.

Huvius
(.416 member)
14/10/22 04:48 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

She is a little light - 9lb 10oz

So, start out light, maybe 200grs and work up.


3DogMike
(.400 member)
14/10/22 12:11 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Atta boy! Starter load of 7 Drams with 8 bore round ball in a 9lb 10oz gun.
Go big or go home……
- Mike


Huvius
(.416 member)
14/10/22 12:55 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

I'll weigh my 8 bore muzzle loader.
I think they are close in weight and I have gone 240grs in that rifle. Of course, there are no extra wads as there will be in this cartridge gun so that may make some difference in felt recoil but the smoothbore should negate some of that - maybe??


DarylS
(.700 member)
14/10/22 05:32 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

At least being a single, double barrel regulation is not needed.

CptCurlAdministrator
(.450 member)
14/10/22 09:14 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

Ben, that's a nice looking gun and obviously of very high quality.

I would like to see a close-up of the barrel flats and the water table as well as any other proofing marks found on this gun.





Your gun is light for an 8b rifle. That is going to be a big factor in your "enjoyment" of this gun. An 8b rifle is quite a handfull to shoot.

Here's a video of one of our members shooting his Henry 8b rifle, which weighs over 16 lbs.

https://youtu.be/q-rqYg0GcMQ

And here I am shooting the very same 8b Henry rifle off the bench (in slow-motion). Notice the cartridges in the foreground just off my right elbow.

https://youtu.be/TYuNQk7fiX0



Good luck with your new toy, and keep us informed of your progress.

Curl


Huvius
(.416 member)
15/10/22 11:39 AM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

One can clearly see the original "NOT FOR BALL" stamp but I'd think that was because 8 Bore fouling guns generally had tight chokes - since the barrel has been cut, that shouldn't be an issue. I will, however, insure that the barrel has no choke anyway.

1200BAR is a pretty high proof pressure (+/- 17500psi)
Ive read of an 8 being measured at 11,000psi using 10 Drams (270grs) powder with an 880gr .850" ball in a 24" rifle 1500fps. I'd be happy breaking 1000fps with a manageable charge.

Funny thing, the "NOT FOR BALL" stamp has been struck off to read more like "NOT FOR ALL"
I think that's appropriate.













DarylS
(.700 member)
15/10/22 04:21 PM
Re: R. Wallis 8Bore Single

I should think a powder charge in the 7 dram area might work for what is needed.


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