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could be an interesting cape gun with a surprise chamber http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5030855#img marked with Galand Paris & Birningham left barrel 20 ga, right barrel 15mm rifled what could be anything from 28 or 24 ga with 40 or 65 mm long brass, 577 snider or 577 BPE is also possible damascus barrels |
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Historische Waffen, Uniformen, Militaria Palais Dorotheum/Vienna 02.09.2014 - 14:00 Lot Nr. 197 Lefaucheux-Büchsflinte, 'Nik. Szailer Comp. Wien', 80,5 cm lange Läufe, der rechte Lauf gezogen, Kal. ca. 14 mm, der linke Damastlauf glatt, Kal. ca. 15 mm, Kimme und Korn eingeschoben, Basküle und Schlösser mit Rankengravur, langer Entriegelungshebel, Schaft mit Backe, Pistolengriff und Fischhaut, Riemenbügel und Riemenschraube, fleckig, abgerieben, der rechte Hahn mit Lötstelle, das Kolbenende nach Bruch repariert, um 1868/70, (He) EUR 110,- probably a 24 ga shotgun barrel left side and a 28 or 32 ga rifle barrel right side pinfire combination gun with 80,5 cm long barrels by 'Nik. Szailer Comp. Wien' very low starting price, looks good |
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307A GEORGE SMITH DBL. 12 BORE RIFLE, 28" bbls., 4 leaf express rear sight, engraved outside hammer locks marked "George Smith", also rib is marked "George Smith New Bond St. London", damascus bbls. with 95% damascus finish, exc. bores, Jones side swing lever style action to break bbls., sliding hammer safeties on locks, checkered PG stock with engraved PG cap, fancy wood with cheek rest & checkered & engraved steel shotgun buttplate, heart inlayed into wood behind upper tang, reinforcement screw in wrist, checkered forend with horn forend tip, sling swivel eyelets on stock & underneath bbls., very well made English Dbl. Rifle in a large bore. $6950 http://www.goergensgunshop.com/index.php?p=1_9 |
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pinfire combination gun by Christoph Funk in Suhl probably in 20 ga shot and 24 ga ball with 20 ga shotgun barrels in the next Hermann Historica auction http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu/schusswaffenneu.html |
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A 16bore pinfire on gunbroker. Here |
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If it had a "normal" foreend i would be buying that right now |
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remarkable double rifle |
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It is remarkable. It also has issues with the action and the lockwork and the bore condition is questionable. But very cool! |
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Beautiful pinfirefire rifle. Is this your entry to borerifle Club Lancaster?. |
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I hope that whoever won the auction gets the rifle running. I'd be happy to help. |
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a 24 ga pinfire single shot for sale http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/77739-historicka-kulovnice-577/ |
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10-BORE PERCUSSION CAPE-RIFLE http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype= Sale A0315 Lot 529 * BENTLEY & PLAYFAIR, BIRMINGHAM A 4-BORE PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT BALL-GUN, serial no. K2659, circa 1850, with heavy round 33 1/2in. barrel, flat sighting plane signed 'BIRMINGHAM', octagonal breech-section, dove-tailed bead fore-sight, dove-tail for rear-sight (missing), scroll engraved top-tang and breech-block, border and scroll engraved bar-action lock signed 'BENTLEY & PLAYFAIR', engraved hammer, walnut half-stock, iron furniture, provision for oval to underside of stock, square back trigger-guard with double-set 'hogs-bristle' trigger, white metal barrel key escutcheons and fore-end cap, provision for ramrod (missing), the whole darkly stained with some corrosion, weight 12 1/2lb. * Please note this item is subject to 5% VAT on the hammer price. Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions. Estimate £800-1,200 http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype= |
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16,5mm(maybe 20ga) pinfire double rifle with additional 16 ga pinfire double gun barrels by Johann Springer, vormals Nowotny Wien made between 1857 when Springer take over Nowotny's shop and 1875 when Johann died# http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5495766 |
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That Springer is very nice! |
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full rifled 12 ga double rifle for paradox cartridge, made in Suhl in sold in sweden by Albrecht Kind http://cordite.de/Auktion/1254/Seltenste-Doppelbuechse-Dschungel-Gun-Kal.-12-Rifle-!!.html |
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nice Husqvarna 28 bore full stock rifle in auktion next week Katalognr: 604 GEVÄR, Svenskt, fabrikat: Husqvarna, rolling block, kal. 28, tillvnr. 6-9, piplängd 72,5 cm, , helstock av björk, brunerad slätborrad pipa med klaffsikte, flamhärdad låda, mycket gott skick. Utropspris: 1000 - 1500 SEKSlutpris: - http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/ |
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17mm what is a 16 ga or maybe 20 ga double with 12 ga shotgun barrels by B. Pohl in Wien https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42531376_an-outstanding-original-cased-double-barrelled "Description dating: third quarter of the 19th Century provenance: Vienna Two pairs of barrels of very fine damask, one pair rifled, the other smooth, both with decorations in gold at the base, with rib, foresight and the signature "B. POHL IN WIEN" in gold, the rifled one with double, blued rear-sight, cal. 17 mm (the smoothbore is 12 gauge); long tang with monogram "MH", richly engraved and gilt with ibex and floral motifs; backward spring locks with hound and deer in gold between partially gilt floral motifs; receiver with hunter near a large, killed deer, with rifle and hat between thin and deep floral elements, at the trigger guard a bear, provided with a lever to open the barrels, with sculpted, horn tail, iron butt-plate with pheasant and floral motifs; butt of fine briarwood sculpted with deers and fox between bas-relieved floral motifs. In its wooden case covered with leather, with brass mounts; featuring the noble monogram "AP" with Dukes crown. dimensions: length 115 cm" |
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great Johann Peterlongo double https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42530708_a-cased-luxury-double-barrelled-pin-fire-shotgun-with dating: third quarter of the 19th Century provenance: Austria Two pairs of barrels of fine damask, with rib signed "I. PETERLONGO IN INNSBRUCK" in gold, slightly engraved at the base, with foresight. The shorter ones rifled, the bore in good condition, cal. 14 mm; the longer ones smooth (pitting on the inside), with adjustable rear-sight and silver foresight; long tang finely engraved with floral and geometrical motifs, at the centre a small, oval shield with golden frame; backward spring locks decorated with fine engravings depicting hound, pheasant and foliage; briarwood stock, checkered at the neck, with iron mounts decorated en suite, trigger guard with fawn, the ending portion of the trigger guard made of horn, with double trigger, one of them with set trigger. In its original case lined with green cloth; on the cover an oval plaque with the owner's name "A. Castelli". Keeping most of the tools. For Johann Peterlongo see "Der Neue Stöckel", Vol. II, page 946. The famous gunsmith (1826-1898) owned an arms factory and also used to signed his works as "Tiroler Waffenfabrik". dimensions: length 111.5 o 115.5 cm. older auction from last summer but beautyful 24 ga pinfire double gun so safe the pics https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/37011093_a-fine-pin-fire-double-barrelled-rifle-by-josef dating: third quarter of the 19th Century provenance: Czechoslovakia Round, rifled, swivelling, finished, 24 cal. barrels, provided with rib with foresight and fixed rear-sight, marked "JOSEF PLASCHIL IN NAPAGEDL" in gold, with outlines and floral motifs at the base; tang finely engraved with floral motifs on granulated ground, with monogram "RS" in gold, and folding peep-sight; backward spring locks, signed "J. PLASCHIL / NAPAGEDL", both engraved with floral motifs, one depicting a hunting scene, the other deers. Briarwood stock, with checkered neck and smooth cheek-piece, wooden fore-end, checkered. Iron trigger guard with front curl that, when pressed, releases the barrels, featuring engraved floral pattern, the effigy of a deer, horn tail with partial fretwork, adjustable triggers. Iron butt-plate provided with a compartment for the cartridges (keeping two empty, copper cases), with cover engraved with a hunting scene (dogs fighting against a deer). At the lower part an inventory plaque, probably of a collection (number "14"). dimensions: length 105,7 cm. |
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pinfire with 17mm (16 ga) barrels and 14mm +17mm (28 ga and 16 ga) barrels,straight rifling in the 16 ga barrel and ordinary rifling in the 28 ga barrel no name on the gun, http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5868237 |
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in the upcoming Hermann Historica auction http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html pinfire double rilfe in 14,3mm - 28 or 24 ga. by Sick/Günzburg,right barrel conventional rifling , left barrel straight rifling additional 16 ga shotgun barrels |
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20 ga rifle by Heinrich Barella/Berlin case lenght 37 mm (?) http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5935569#img |
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That used to be a very, very nice rifle! Even as is its still lovely! Thanks for posting, Lancaster. Your dedication is much appreciated. |
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C. F. KELLER, SUHL, pinfire combination gun 16 ga and 14mm what is proably a 28 ga http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...339&image=3 |
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Mang in Wien combination gun 16 ga pinfire shotgun and 15 mm (28 or 24 ga) pinfire rifle barrel with another set of 16 ga shotgun barrels http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6175616 |
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20 ga pinfire combination gun by WILH. GERSTNER BLEISTADT http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6353107 |
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in the next auction: double rifle in 16/70 by Leue & Timpe /Berlin, SN 676 http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/doppe...mp;currentpos=7 the Leue&Timpe gun in Zimmer "Hunting Guns" 1877 |
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pinfire double gun, right barrel common rifling - left barrel straight rifling probably a 16 ga http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/haneboesse-s-s-1800-tallets-anden-halvdel/i4712772/# |
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This last one is VERY interesting. |
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Not to echo you Daryl but that gun is really neat. I would love to find a cheap plain one at a gun show. Looks to me like a PERFECT elk, moose, or bear rifle. Does anyone have any idea how long the cases would be? |
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By the looks of the chambers - 2" to 2.5" at the most. |
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Stadelmann in Suhl, pinfire double rifle , looks like 20 or 24 ga to me http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/f-stad...alvd/i4724770/# belgian made combination gun 16 ga pinfire + 14mm pifire rifle, probably a 28 ga http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6535378 more basic gun but with a little work and love it could be improved |
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Husqvarna Model 44 in 20/45 , SN 30510 https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4630_9 18 mm (12 ga ?) double rifle by N. GONNEAUD in Sankt Petersburg - Russia " N. GONNEAUD ARQ ER A ST PETERSBOURG", SN 8613 https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4625_1 |
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16/65 and 28 ga(14,2mm) pinfire combination gun " Johann Paap in Heide " http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6728468 the owner made the rifle cartridges by using lathe turned brass cases for the .54 sharps |
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https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...p;currentpos=82 "R. B. Rodda & Co. Makers by Appointment to H. E. the Viceroy" 4 bore 3,5", SN 25617 Kaliber 4 / 3,5" (Four Bore), Nr. 25617. Blanke Laufseelen, Lauflänge 61 cm, englischer Schwarzpulverbeschuss. Fein guillochierte Laufschiene mit Standkimme und zwei Klappkimmen, diese mit Platineinlage, Entfernungsmarkierungen für 50, 80 und 120 Yards. In Gold eingelegt auf dem linken Lauf "R. B. Rodda & Co. Makers by Appointment to H. E. the Viceroy", auf dem rechten Lauf "H. R. H. The Duke of Edinburgh. London & Calcutta.". Bräunierung des Laufbündels patiniert, partiell minimale Närbchen. System als Unterhebelöffner mit Auszieher, Hahnschlösser mit Sicherheitsrast, Doppelabzug. Basküle und Schlossbleche fein mit Rocaillen und Arabesken graviert. Auf beiden Schlossblechen in englischer Schrift die in Gold eingelegte Herstellerangabe "R. B. Rodda & Co". Die ehemalige Bunthärtung der Basküle, der Abzugsbügel und Schlosse gedunkelt/patiniert, mit Gebrauchsspuren. Dunkler Nussholzschaft mit Pistolengriff und deutscher Backe. Feine Fischhaut an Vorderschaft und Pistolengriff. Gummischaftkappe aus rotem Kautschuk, diese gealtert und verformt. Basis der Gummischaftkappe mit Ausbruch. Der gesamte Schaft mit Gebrauchsspuren, die Fischhaut teils abgegriffen, Alterungsspuren. Schaftlänge 36 cm, Gesamtlänge 105 cm. Erlaubnispflichtig |
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Certainly a very attractive and desirable rife but one thing confuses me The Birmingham Proof marks on the barrel flats show 8 (for 8 bore, not a 4 bore) a major difference in the price/value (cartridge 4 bores being over double the price of 8 bores)? I could not find a way to translate the German? text so of that would possibly show the answer TH |
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I’m thinking the same. Four bores are absurdly disproportionate in the size of the locks and hammers opposed to the massive breech. This rifle looks much like other 8 bores to my eye. Then, of course is the “8” on the flats.... |
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A friend of mine owned twelve 8 Bore double rifles and four 4 Bore double rifles, two of the 4 Bore double rifles were Rodda's fully engraved and made for the Nizam of Hyderabad. They weighed 22 pounds each and were MUCH more massive than the above double rifle. I agree with TH44 and Huvius that it is an 8 Bore. Probably weighs 15 to 17 pounds. |
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The 8 and 4 bore double rifles seem to always look so chunky, clubby, ugly.. |
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unusual Kynoch 12 ga paradox round for sale https://www.naturabuy.fr/BELLE-CARTOUCHE...em-5091939.html looks original |
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I wished I could buy it. |
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Paradox type shotgun Daniel Fraser - Edinburgh, 12/65 with exchangeable barrels https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=123 Detail 71 cm barrels, in the choked section sharp lead rifling, choked effectively full & full, ejectors (springs removed but included), quarter rib with 2 folding rear sights, 50 and 100 yds, inscribed with Leith Street Terrace address, slightly fancy-backed action with faint traces of colour, side bolsters, sideclips, Anson & Deeley boxlock, Greener crossbolt, automatic sliding tang safety with gold inlaid "Safe", obviously restocked walnut stock, drop points, straight hand, chequered horn buttplate 37 cm, blank silver stock oval, fore-end with horn schnabel tip, Deeley latch, including 71 cm exchangeable barrels choked cylinder & 3/4, concave rib, ivory bead and auxiliary bead, ejectors, in its maker's canvas covered case with trade label, oil bottle, some small parts (ejector springs, single trigger including springs, etc.), including the original buttstock, left stock horn cracked and splinter included, technically interesting, rare gun of the well renowned Scottish rifle maker, year of manufacture about 1900, condition 3. |
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a 16 ga+14 mm combination gun probably build by Johann Nepomuk Schemmetzler in Bruck an der Mur around 1830 as a muzzle loader , later rebuild into a breech loader for center fire cartridges by an unknown gunmaker. the 14 mm rifle barrel will using 28 ga cases, imho. https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6462251/# |
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https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...750&image=6 JOH. PETERLONGO A 14,5X41R (SPANISH BERDAN) LEFAUCHEUX PATENT UNDERLEVER DOUBLE HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 4887, serial number on under rib only, 28 1/2in. barrels, the rib gold-inlaid 'JOH. PETERLONGO IN INNSBRUCK', with open sights, folding leaf sight and bead fore-sight, carved serpentine fences with diamond and dot engraving, nickelled lining plates to the striker channels, horn-encased Lefaucheux patent forward facing underlever, permanently attached fore-end, rebounding back-action locks with ornately carved dolphin hammers (one lightly damaged), set triggers, broad triggerguard with scrolled horn pistolgrip, the action, lockplates and furniture carved with bold acanthus surrounding game scenes of wild boar, roe deer, red deer, pointer and chamois, 13 3/8in. stock with cheekpiece and steel buttplate, missing sling eye, minor losses to edges of fore-end wood, weight 8lb. 3oz. Exhibited: Manuel Lopo de Carvalho Collection I like Holt's but in this case it seems the specialist come to their limits. only because it come from the iberian peninsula dont make it a 14,5x41R spanish berdan double rifle. anyway, they try to identify this good as possible. there are not many informations around about the 40 mm long Kugelpatronen( bullet cartridges or better rifle cartridges) based on shotgun shell like here a 24/40. http://www.municion.org/ |
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this description goes wild "Dreyse Type (Unmarked), Model Needle Fire Shotgun, Muzzleloader, Single Shot, 12 Gauge (Approximately), 32.75” Barrel, Octagon To Round, Engraved, Side Mounted Cocking Lever, Safety (Paddle Behind Trigger), Checkered One Piece Stock, Shadow Line Cheek Piece, Sling Mount And Button, Steel Butt Plate, Brass Museum Tag, 4 Lbs., 7 Ozs., 14.5” LOP, Serial # 28, " https://www.gunbroker.com/item/875086340 in fact a Mauser 71 action, looks like a target rifle, maybe a 12 ga for shooting the eagle target |
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8 bore mould https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...7&saletype= 4 bore mould https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...0&saletype= 6 bore mould for winged bullet https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...2&saletype= |
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14,5 mm double rifle by A,V.Lebeda in Prag, this is a 28 or a 24 ga rifle https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7444333/# |
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a rare pinfire rifle https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/aeldre-pinfire-fugleskydningsboesse/i6176221/ unknow caliber |
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Quote: I won this. Interested in seeing more about it. Looks like there are at least some markings on it. I am thinking it either takes 12mm or 15mm cartridge. Maybe it is the unknown military experimental rifle made by Københavns Tøjhus for their arsenal-made carbine-length cartridge here: |
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congratulation, you get it for a good price so there will be money left over for export. do you have a plan how to get it into the united states? rifles for pinfire cartridges are allwasy rare and I see never more than 1- 3 over a year for sale. this one is very special with the brass action what would be enough for a short carbine cartridge. the peep sight is very strange. looking forward what for a cartridge it will be. |
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a husqvarna catalog for sale in sweden showing the hussvarna model 17 a combination gun with 20, 24 or 28 rifle barrels. while I know one of the pages never see when they were offered. thought by myself mabye up to 1914 but this catalog is printed in 1931! https://www.tradera.com/de/item/301784/538225006/husqvarna-skjutvapen-katalog- they offer loaded rounds in 20, 24 and 28 ga., brass cases, primer and roundballs |
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21 mm - 8 bore double rifle by MANuFACTURE FRANCAISE D'ARMES ET CYCLES DE ST. ETIENNE https://www.czernys.com/asta-122/?o=100331 |
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This 8-bore should've in my safe! |
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Lancaster, Thanks for posting. This seems like a fun gun to have. While the current bid proce is 1.500 Euros, I winder what is t=will sell for? |
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E1500 for the 8-bore double so far. No idea of its condition. Reading King Solomon's Mines again currently where three pairs of 8-bore doubles are featured. |
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Fromthe pictures, it looks like the butt has a lot of drop so the recoil may be fairly high compared to a morer straight stock. |
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belgian combination gun for pinfire cartridges, 16 ga and .600 bore what could be a 24 or 28 ga rifled https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/o...ad710bc513c0715 |
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My Husqvarna SxS with Lefaucheau underlever had right barrel rifled to 13 bore, .705" groove diameter, so taking a 16 bore brass case. The left barrel was 16 bore for paper case and modified choke. I posted pictures of it, long time ago. |
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Gastine Rénette, maybe a 500 BPE once than smooth bored to 28 ga https://www.naturabuy.fr/Magnifique-Expr...em-9747995.html such things were also done in great britain to hold the gun on a simple shotgun licence but very sad none the less. would be a nice basic gun to made a 28 bore express if you find someone who get a new rifling into the shotgun barrels. |