| Vintage_Canvas |
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Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance!
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After my 8x68S photos, I promised John I will share my 10.75x68 journey! I will start by loading a article from one off our very informed members, Johan van Wyk, who was editor of SA Hunter magazine and is also a respected journalist of all things hunting and fine vintage rifles!
Johan, I hope its ok that I share your article from SA Hunter with our members??
So this article and a older one by Dirk Steynberg in Man Magnum about his challenges on trying to hunt a buffalo with his 10.75x68 custom rifle (I will try and find it and post it here) convinced me that it is possible to give this grand old caliber a second chance! in the next post i will share with you my first 10.75x68 rifle...
But first over to Johan!
| Vintage_Canvas |
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So after a long search, a friend phoned me to asked if I still want a 10.75x68? Of course, I said! he send me some photos and without seeing the rifle, I bought it.... trusting his judgement! After all the red tape to get the license, the rifle finally arrived! What a disappointment! On the barrel it said maid in Belgium, as I was convinced by my friend that it was a FN?? this rifle look like it was build in someone's back yard shed. I was build on a mauser action! When I strip the barrel and action from the stock, I notice a huge crack behind the reciever all the way down to the trigger guard. the metalwork was horrible! After I tried to fix the broken stock as well as possible with a extra recoil lug, I also revive the stock and give it a new life, but I cant do anything to the metal work....
So eventually it was time to take it to the range....
I have some old Kynoch rounds in solid and soft nose. I tested them in the magazine. they fit, but some don't extract properly when the bolt is closed and opened without firing. That can be fixed, I told myself.
So after all the preperations, I loaded a soft nose, get the sights on the target at 50m and pulled the trigger! Click! I was tense as a bow! Slowly opened the bolt, closed it, pull trigger again.... click!
Eject the cartridge. Load a solid, pulled the trigger! Click! Same result. After inspection of the two cartridges, both had a light indent where the primer was struck, but it was not enough!
So after all my trouble and sorting out the broken stock and fitting the recoil lug, this was the last straw! I sold the rifle....
so below is the photos. but like they say, to him who waits patiently, all things good will come!
I manage to get a real beauty... but that is another story!
| lancaster |
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looks like a belgian made rifle but not orignal FN, would be engraved in no uncertain manner.
still had some potential if you figure it out. what was the problem with the firing pin - just a little bit to short or the spring weak?
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10.75x68 is one of my favorite calibers - here's a post about one of mine from earlier this year ... http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=383896&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1
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looks like a belgian made rifle but not orignal FN, would be engraved in no uncertain manner.
still had some potential if you figure it out. what was the problem with the firing pin - just a little bit to short or the spring weak?
Suspect weak or standard spring in the magnum action?
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| 29/09/24 03:17 AM |
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An interesting "study" into the 10.75x68.
At one time these were quite "common" on the second hand market. Cheaper as well probably due to the cartridges lesser performance and the Mausers being standard actions.
Harry Manners had a 10.75x68 and rejected it for a .375 for buffalo culling and elephant.
The weak bullet construction was often blamed for the lesser performance.
A 347 gr at 2100 fps or less is anaemic.
I noted Woodleigh made a 347 gr SP for the x68 and a 350 gr for the .404. I wonder if the 350 gr has different construction? The sectional density is also a little low.
If modern powders could get the 10.75 with a 400 gr up to 2,100 fps, it would be an acceptable killer.
I'd love to see a 10.75x68 as an acceptable big game cartridge. A .404 is however a far better choice.
The 10.75x68 reminds me of the 9.5x57, a milder cartridge, perhaps a little less powerful than sensible. But good for medium and driven game.
| lancaster |
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| 29/09/24 04:40 AM |
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before the war there was also a special DWM load for european big game that was listed in the DWM catalog with a muzzle velocity of only 610 m/sec against the common 10,75x68 load with 680 m/sec for the 350 grains bullet.
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This what Keith Luckhurst wrote back in an article 'Reloading the 404 Jeffery';
"My .404 started out life in 1928 as an original ‘Type A’ Oberndorf Mauser in 10.75x68mm. It was used to shoot an elephant in Tuli in about 1973. The shot was a frontal brain shot, which knocked down the animal, but it immediately got up and made off to Botswana with great enthusiasm. It was then decided that the conversion to 10.75x73mm, also known as the .404 Jeffrey, was in order."
My own 404 also started life as a Mauser Type A 10.75x68 suitably converted to the 404 Jeffery cartridge, presumably in Harare, Rhodesia where it was purchased and brought back to NZ.
Back in the late 70's when I got the rifle 404 ammo and components were hard enough to find let alone trying to find 10.75x68 stuff so I suppose after Kynoch closed down and RWS also limited its production of NE cartridges, converting 10.75x68 chambered rifles to 404 Jeffery was likely more an expedient for supply rather than anything else. Notwithstanding this I would much prefer the big 404 cartridge for large and dangerous game rather than the somewhat smaller 10.75 Mauser.
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| 30/09/24 05:29 AM |
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Gentlemen,
thank you very much for the article on the 10,75x68!
As I am quite a fan of the 10,75x68 I would like to add some information:
- cases are available from SHM (Süddeutsche Hülsen Manufaktur) in Bavaria/Germany
- Bullets can be obtained from Mr. Wim Degol (Degol bullets) in Belgium. The bullets are available in 300, 347 and 400grains in full metal jacket and bonded soft point configuration
- with Kemiras medium burning powders it is possible to accelerate the 347grs Degol and the Woodleigh SPRN bullets to 2350 fps / 715 m/s (61cm/24" barrel), resulting in 5700 Joules at the muzzle.
- precision is ok upto very good for a big game cartridge (best load : 6 shots at 100m within 32mm with a 6power scope)
A friend of mine used this load in a modern custom rifle (based on a pre-war II 98 system from Gunmaker Karl-Heinz Hirschle) for driven game (boar) hunt and had a very good results for anchoring the pigs (45kg upto 70kg). No animal went further than 50m with good shot placement.
- the mentioned rifle is based on a DWM 98 system and feeds flawless SPRN and, of course, the RWS FMJ RN bullets
@ John:
The 347 and 350grs SPRN bullets from Woodleigh differ only in the position of the crimp cannelure and for both bullets an impact velocity of 1800-2300 fps is recommended.
best regards
Rolf
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| 30/09/24 06:03 AM |
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Great article VC!
Cartridges now 100 years+ can certainly get a new lease on life with modern powders & with new projectiles be better than ever!
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| 01/10/24 01:33 AM |
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Great article and great discussion. Apparently a number of pre-war cartridges had poor bullet construction ad that impacted the written reviews. I believe the problem was mostly wioth German cartridges.
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Rolf, thank you for your info on the cartridge and the bullet and powder choices!
do you know maybe what velocity did you get with 400gr bullets?
I am still looking for a dieset in 10.75x68 so that I can start with load testing and development!! So if any of you gents know of a dieset somewhere, please let me know! I tried CH4D in US, but they dont have stock at moment, and they cannot tell me when one will be available! I have bertram brass and an assortment of bullets, so very keen to start reloading...
I will post my custom new rifle's photos tonight!
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VC
Try CBE Engineering, they have bought SIMPLEX dies.
They are very well made & will last lifetimes!
I had a list of them somewhere & I think (not completely sure) that the 10.75x68mm was on it!
https://www.castbulletengineering.com.au/simplex-reloading-dies
| jvw |
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I wrote this article amidst the lockdown of 2020 for SA Hunter Magazine's special annual edition. No problem in keeping it up.
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I wrote this article amidst the lockdown of 2020 for SA Hunter Magazine's special annual edition. No problem in keeping it up.
Dankie. A future information asset.
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@ John:
The 347 and 350grs SPRN bullets from Woodleigh differ only in the position of the crimp cannelure and for both bullets an impact velocity of 1800-2300 fps is recommended.
best regards
Rolf
Rolf,
Danke Schoen, Thanks for the information.
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A question for anyone.
What safe speed have you managed to obtain with a 400 gr projectile?
And if so, what safe load, what powder and how much? Thanks,
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Rolf thanks for that information. Certainly moves an old not successful cartridge into the ballistic area it should have been in.
I believe the 358Norma Magnum suffered for one of the same reasons, poor bullet construction.
If Simplex can not make the dies for you, and I would be very surprised if the can't, try Lee and Redding. I have given up on CH4D and would not recommended them to anybody.
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John, In my rifle, put together from parts with an original Oberndorf barrel. I get 2100 fps easily with 64.2 grains of H335, 400 grain Woodleigh bullet.
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Hello John,
here are some data on the 10,75x68 and the 400grs bullets:
- data copy of "RWS reloading handbook" issue 9
barrel length 60cm / 23.6"
bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN (has only a thin metal jacket!)
powder Rottweil R902 max. load 61.0grs
obtained speed: 605 m/s // 1985 fps
my personal data from a custom built rifle with a 66cm barrel:
bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN , OAL beyond the standard of 81,0mm
powder: Dynamit Nobel R902
displayed velocity: 637,7 m/s // 2092 fps
I found out later that the chronograph was overly optimistic and the reading should be reduced by around 20 m/s, which gives a realistic value of ca. 617 m/s / 2024 fps.
best regards
Rolf
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Rolf, thank you for the info! I am planning to hunt a buff with my 10.75x68, and once I manage to find a dieset, will start reloading and develop loads! Just a note on chronographs.... we tested the old Chrony one's with a new Garmin, and got very interesting results! Because the Garmin is right next to the barrel and the old Chrony is 5m in front of the barrel, the results that the Garmin give is always faster than with the chrony! I friend then respond that by the time the bullet reach the Chrony after 5m, the velocity could have dropped by up to 30-50f/s?? That was about the difference that we measured. Just a footnote.
I shot a few rounds in my new custom build 10.75x68 and the old Kynoch's 347gr measured between 2100-2150f/s with the Garmin and the Chrony. There was not really a difference between solids and softs.
So with the right powder and primer combo, I think 2100 would be easy to reach with 400gr?? I will let you guys know!
See below photos of my new 10.75x68 build on a DWM action.
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| Vintage_Canvas |
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Almost forgot... I manage to find a old article on the 10.75x68 in the Man Magnum. See below...
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this is a damned or bloody nice rifle!
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Wondedrful rifle.
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Good article. I quite enjoyed it and couldn't agree more about the use of cast bullets. I would include eland as suitable game for a decent cast bullet load.
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Very nice piece of kit there VC!
Hope the reloading goes well when you are able to, will unlock a far more potent cartridge after that, especially with better projectiles will turn this old girl into what she should have been!
Don't forget to add in the range report when you can, will certainly have a lot of us keen to see what transpires.
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Very nice 10.75x68 rifle VC. Should perform well.
I've still got a small supply left of the original RWS 347gr soft point bullets some of which I loaded to 2100fps and shot a couple of red deer and some feral goats with in my Mauser 404J. These are steel jacketed bullets and were all pass throughs so don't know how the bullets actually performed other than the animals all fell to the shots.
RWS 347gr soft point.
I have a couple of 10.75x68 cartridges in my collection, a Kynoch with a steel solid and a Berdan primed RWS case with a 285gr steel jacketed hollow point bullet. I was given this cartridge by a German friend but strangely it had no powder and the bullet is a very odd one in weight and style however the copper washed hollow point seems to be factory moulded or punched rather than a 347gr drilled out by someone.
RWS 285gr HP and 347gr SP bullets
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Very nice rifle VC! Now I want one. ;-)
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I suspect with the pure lead core and thin jacket, they must have expanded just fine. Exiting the animal is a nice event, especially when having to track an animal.
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Hello John,
here are some data on the 10,75x68 and the 400grs bullets:
- data copy of "RWS reloading handbook" issue 9
barrel length 60cm / 23.6"
bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN (has only a thin metal jacket!)
powder Rottweil R902 max. load 61.0grs
obtained speed: 605 m/s // 1985 fps
my personal data from a custom built rifle with a 66cm barrel:
bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN , OAL beyond the standard of 81,0mm
powder: Dynamit Nobel R902
displayed velocity: 637,7 m/s // 2092 fps
I found out later that the chronograph was overly optimistic and the reading should be reduced by around 20 m/s, which gives a realistic value of ca. 617 m/s / 2024 fps.
best regards
Rolf
Thank you for your reply and actual velocity readings.
From 1985 to 2024 or 2092 fps with a 400 gr bullet.
An old standard seems to be around 2100 fps for the choice DG bullet. So 1985 fps on paper seems a bit slow.
Only using a 400 gr in the 10.75x68 on actual game, buffalo, elephant, would tell the story, if it's a success story or not. At the marginal lower end of the spectrum.
IMO there is no reason not to try or use .404 400 gr bullets in the 10.75x68. if they can becdriven fast enough, stabilised, penetrate well. The bullets originally designed for the 10.75x68 reportedly suffered from too thin jackets. And not penetrating well. .404 Jeffery bullets if driven at adequate speeds should fix that problem. The original .404 Jeffery drove a 400 gr at around 2100 fps and had a good reputation. If the 1985 to 2924 fps or in that range are adequate, it approaches the original .404 Jeffery.
The 400 gr is a heavier bullets than the 10.75x68 was originally designed for. But we have 320 gr 9.3 mm, 350 gr .375, 450 gr .416, .423 bullets made today. All greater in weight than the original offerings. Often with thicker jackets and with a greater sectional density if driven fast enough and stabilised should penetrate very well.
If using a 9,3, .375, .416, .404 (423) on elephant, I'd be tempted to use these 320, 350, 450 grs bullets in a FMJ specification. Particularly in a bolt action. If the heavier bullets hit a target in a usable way similar to lighter bullets, it makes them very versatile. A double rifle of course needs any regulation issues overcome.
I think a 450 gr in w .500/416 at a good speed is possibly more effective, or very similar to a 480 .450/458 bullet. It would have superior sectional density and penetration at a comparable speed. For a slightly lesser calibre frontal width. Again of course regulation issues aside. I would not have a .500/416 built and permanently regulated for a 450 gr, rather a usual 400 gr.
Back to the 10.75x68. Most certainly a vintage classic suitable for large soft skinned beasts. Which might proven a buffalo and DG cartridge at the lower range with modern powders and bullets.
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Very nice rifle.
I'm going to commit vintage classic sacrilege.
I would consider rechambering it to .404 Jeffery, if the barrel twist is comparable. And the action reasonably modifiable.
The original .404s were in standard actions after all.
Nevertheless a fine rifle.
| mckinney |
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Who is the maker of this last rifle? If it is mentioned earlier in the thread, I missed it.
The stock looks a little like Hoffman Arms’ work (John Dubiel) or one of the British makers.
Nice rifle.
| Vintage_Canvas |
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I am not sure?? I bought the rifle from an estate, and the widow do not have any info on who build it?
We have a few good rifle builders here in SA! The stock would need some more work to bring it up to my own standards. But it shoots amazing, with very little recoil, even compared to a 375! The weight, shape of the stock, everything just works!
| Vintage_Canvas |
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John, my plan is to build another rifle exactly like this one, but in 404 jeff. I have a action and a nice piece of wallnut! I need a barrel and an good gunsmith.
My plan is still to hunt a Buff with the 10.75. Will soon start reloading with 350 - 400gr bullets! Will keep you updated on the results!
| Rule303 |
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VC I like your plans and that rifle above is very nice.
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VC, I have heard that the 10.75x68 cartridge could at times suffer from some headspace issues due to the shallow case shoulder. Similar to the 400 Whelen cartridge, a heavy firing pin blow could allow the 10.75 case to move forward slightly in the chamber, enough to cause misfires with an indication on the primer of a light strike.
Again, like the Whelen cartridge, careful chambering and careful resizing of cases when reloading will help prevent misfires.
I have a supply of Berdan primed Kynoch 404 Jeffery ammunition from 1963 and have never experienced any issues when firing these cartridges. Perhaps your misfiring with your 10.75 Mauser is more to do with the chamber rather than the firing pin/spring or cartridges per se.
In reference to the RWS 400gr FMJ .423" bullet, when I obtained a supply of these from Australia for reloading my 404 back in the late 70's, they came with a short letter from the supplier warning of the issue of riveting with nickel jacketed bullets. However a simple test showed that the RWS bullets were in fact steel jacketed and while having thin sidewall jackets, they do have a good reinforced nose as can be seen in the image below of one I did section.
I shot a few Aussie buffalo with reloads using the RWS solids and they performed perfectly. The only bullet recovered from any buffalo was sandwiched in the rear hip ball and socket joint of a big bull after it had travelled full length from a frontal shot. The bullet had fishtailed at the rear of the bullet but the nose and jacket overall was intact.
RWS FMJ 401gr bullets, one sectioned showing reinforced nose.
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Good looking bullets, those are.
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VC I like your plans and that rifle above is very nice.
Not bloody wrong there - lovely piece of kit indeed!
| Vintage_Canvas |
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thanks Eagle for the info. I did however sold that rifle!! It might be the case... make sense. My new rifle however works perfect with any type of ammo. But once I start reloading, I will check the headspace! I saw that exact problem with a 9.5x57 Mannlicher, with headspace problems. once we formed the brass at the perfect size to fit the chamber, problem solved!
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I've stopped FL sizing cases a long time ago. If I am using an FL die to load ammo, I only partial FL size and only size enough of the neck to hold the bullet, never touching the shoulder.
Even though I do like fairly stiff pressure loads in my various calibres, I have never had to "bump" a shoulder, whether the case was rimless, rimmed or belted.
All calibres from CF factory and wildcat necked cases from .17's on up to my .50/70 and .50/95.
Most of the .45's and one .50 had straight cases, except for the .450 Alaskan and .458 Alaskan.
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I love my three 10.75x68 rifles. I posted the Krico above, and here are my other 2 - Mauser model A and model B.
THE MODEL A
http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/10.75-M.jpg
http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/10.75TARG-M.jpg
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THE MODEL B
http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/10.75x68-000.jpg
| lancaster |
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this is an impressive amount of 10,75 reloading stuff! looks like you are prepared for the next panic buying with empty shelves
do you trying cast bullets in the 10,75x68?
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I have sold some of the brass and bullets to fellow 10.75x68 shooters that couldn't find components and wanted to take their rifles hunting. I have never tried cast bullets. I have over 400 bullet molds, but don't have any in .423 dia.
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I 0rdered a custom 350g 2-cavity bullet mold from Accurate Mold today. I will post some results when I get the mold and test some loads
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I bought one of their brass blocked Double Cavities for 377gr. .515's. Beautiful moulds.
I spray-lube them with moly, then size them to .510" for my air rifle.
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Quote:I have a dozen of his molds. All are aluminum from 30 cal up to 700. This 2 cavity .423 mold was only $112 delivered. I can't wait to get it.
I bought one of their brass blocked Double Cavities for 377gr. .515's. Beautiful moulds.
I spray-lube them with moly, then size them to .510" for my air rifle.
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I have sold some of the brass and bullets to fellow 10.75x68 shooters that couldn't find components and wanted to take their rifles hunting. I have never tried cast bullets. I have over 400 bullet molds, but don't have any in .423 dia.
yes, unfortunately brass and bullets were coming hard to find. for target shooting I use the .429 300 grains sierra bullet sized down to .424 whats a good solution.
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I 0rdered a custom 350g 2-cavity bullet mold from Accurate Mold today. I will post some results when I get the mold and test some loads
Couple of cast bullets sized to .424" that I have used in my 404J. The one on the right is 400gr from my R Hoch nose pour mould and the one on the left is 350-370gr, depending on alloy, from a custom mould which a friend had made when he had his 404. This one would be ideal for the 10.75x68 cartridge. They both shot great in my 404, took a couple of red deer and some feral goats with the 400gr bullet.
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I 0rdered a custom 350g 2-cavity bullet mold from Accurate Mold today. I will post some results when I get the mold and test some loads
This is the mold I ordered with a .423 diameter so it should cast 350 grains.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=42-330T
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One just came up on used guns https://usedguns.com.au/gun/706461/ and they are asking 20g for it. Doesn't look right to me. Checkering looks like my Mum did it. Would be interested on thoughts.
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One just came up on used guns https://usedguns.com.au/gun/706461/ and they are asking 20g for it. Doesn't look right to me. Checkering looks like my Mum did it. Would be interested on thoughts.
The stock looks wrong. It is a model B but for that price...forget it. Such rifle overhere in europe would be sold for €1000-1200. No more. In some cases they may be found standing for years with a €600 pricetag.
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The 10.75x68 reminds me of the 9.5x57, a milder cartridge, perhaps a little less powerful than sensible. But good for medium and driven game.
Der Mannlicher Schoenauer was available in both 9.5X57 and 10.75X68 in the pre WW2 period.
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One just came up on used guns https://usedguns.com.au/gun/706461/ and they are asking 20g for it. Doesn't look right to me. Checkering looks like my Mum did it. Would be interested on thoughts.
Way overpriced for my liking!
The Barn seem to like adding on a good commission
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One just came up on used guns https://usedguns.com.au/gun/706461/ and they are asking 20g for it. Doesn't look right to me. Checkering looks like my Mum did it. Would be interested on thoughts.
Way overpriced for my liking!
The Barn seem to like adding on a good commission
That price is absolutely NUTS - that's nearly 4 times what I paid for my Model B - and nearly 5 times what I paid for my Model A - and nearly 10 times what I paid for my Krico - and nearly 15 times what I paid for my used Model B that I sold for $900 at auction - I can't believe they will ever sell it to any knowledgeable Mauser collector.
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Today, right now, $19,900 Australian is $12,541.78 US.
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I 0rdered a custom 350g 2-cavity bullet mold from Accurate Mold today. I will post some results when I get the mold and test some loads
This is the mold I ordered with a .423 diameter so it should cast 350 grains.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=42-330T
Will be interesting to see how your PB bullets shoot. My 404 which was originally chambered in 10.75x68 was poor with PB bullets but very accurate with GC bullets. My 400gr mould cast PB bullets but I set up a system to turn a GC shank on them. The 370gr bullet in my earlier post image cast GC ready.
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| 21/03/25 07:31 AM |
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These 10.75 threads....
Every time another pops up I think what a dandy elk round that caliber would be for our "Harry" blind on the ranch (three named Tom, Dick and Harry after the trio tunnels in The Great Escape
). Great for bear baiting, too.And the bullets would be easy on the pocketbook...cast flat points.
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| 21/03/25 08:09 AM |
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The Barn are total tossers, always have these ridiculous prices and their guns are advertised sometimes for years with no sale, especially Pre 64 Model 70's which they seem believe are worth pots of gold.
They have just listed a Hollis 450/400 Underleaver Hammer Double for $25K, a gun which even in as new condition wouldn't get more than $10K. Wankers.
Matt.
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| 21/03/25 11:17 AM |
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Wankers...Heh Heh, yes, Wankers.
I thought there was an extra decimal added in there by mistake.
$1990 AUD is about right for that gun.
| DarylS |
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| 21/03/25 11:27 AM |
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That's still $1,253.00 US - still seems too high to me.
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| 21/03/25 11:43 AM |
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Wankers...Heh Heh, yes, Wankers.
I thought there was an extra decimal added in there by mistake.
$1990 AUD is about right for that gun.
I saw it just as it was listed and thought the same.
| Marrakai |
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| 21/03/25 12:29 PM |
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I certainly had a chuckle at that asking price on usedguns too!
"Tell him he's dreamin'..." (The Castle, 1997)
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 21/03/25 02:49 PM |
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Daryl, that cartridge has bit of a cult following here, probably as we can easily buy brass and projectiles for it both being made here in Australia. Its also a pretty useful cartridge for Australia so rifles sell for more than over your way, a good condition fairly original Model B would easily get $5K, an average one maybe half that.
Matt.
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I understand & recognize the high pricing in Au. I'm used to pricing here, although they are going up here too.
I see used 7mm mag, .30/06 and .300.mags on Mauser actions going for over a thousand $ % up to $1,400.00. They are scoped as well. Almost bought one, a nice condition Parker Hale. 300 Win Mag for $700.00.
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| 22/03/25 07:23 AM |
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in Sweden Mauser 10,75x68 seems to cost 26 000 SEK which is a little more than $2500.
https://www.blocket.se/annons/kalmar/mauser_oberndorf_10_75_68/1210228496
| rigbymauser |
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| 22/03/25 08:48 PM |
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in Sweden Mauser 10,75x68 seems to cost 26 000 SEK which is a little more than $2500.
https://www.blocket.se/annons/kalmar/mauser_oberndorf_10_75_68/1210228496
Another destroyed Mauser.
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I understand & recognize the high pricing in Au. I'm used to pricing here, although they are going up here too.
I see used 7mm mag, .30/06 and .300.mags on Mauser actions going for over a thousand $ % up to $1,400.00. They are scoped as well. Almost bought one, a nice condition Parker Hale. 300 Win Mag for $700.00.
I don't recognise and understand these ludicrous prices.
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in Sweden Mauser 10,75x68 seems to cost 26 000 SEK which is a little more than $2500.
https://www.blocket.se/annons/kalmar/mauser_oberndorf_10_75_68/1210228496
Another destroyed Mauser.
Why?
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in Sweden Mauser 10,75x68 seems to cost 26 000 SEK which is a little more than $2500.
https://www.blocket.se/annons/kalmar/mauser_oberndorf_10_75_68/1210228496
Another destroyed Mauser.
I agree.
A cobblejob. Bubbasson-style.
Rear sight gone, bolt handle, D/T receiver, safety.
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| 23/03/25 03:26 AM |
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well, there is no collector value anymore, but the rifle itself is still usable
| DarylS |
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| 23/03/25 04:23 AM |
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That is how I see the rifle. Here, would likely go for $800.00 to $1,000.00.
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That is how I see the rifle. Here, would likely go for $800.00 to $1,000.00.
Roughly I think same here.
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| 23/03/25 02:35 PM |
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The stock looks wrong. It is a model B but for that price...forget it. Such rifle overhere in europe would be sold for €1000-1200. No more. In some cases they may be found standing for years with a €600 pricetag.
The seller says the following about it on website:
"The rifle’s condition is truly remarkable, with no signs of wear on the metal or wood, preserving its original factory finish and crisp markings in pristine state. ---- The walnut stock’s rich grain and the sleek, unmarred metalwork highlight Mauser’s attention to detail during the early 1930s, a period when the company catered to discerning hunters and collectors."
The above words clearly represent it as original, including the stock. Except for the modern pad, right?
It's a re-stock, and done to a quality level well below that accomplished by the Mauser factory back in the day. That stock is nothing like close to a Type B or even Type A stock. The style is all wrong (looks like someone ripped a Slee). With that little drop and no scope most shooters would find it a real bastard to shoot with the irons unless a very, very short neck. The checkering is not close to an Oberndorf Mauser and is poory executed to boot. The crossbolts are poorly fitted and look like US-made Talley; definitely not vintage Mauser. Looking closely the sanding is poorly done and the pores aren't filled. I reckon an experienced eye looking at the inlet would be revealing. Look at the forend, it is not inlet to half way and appears in the photo to have a definite fall away from centreline towards the tip. I'd say the metalwork has been re-blued. Hell - look at the bolt face photo! Unfired, as they claim? "adherence to Oberndorf’s stringent standards" - absolutely not.
That stock cannot even be represented as a well done custom stock. It's a handle, nothing more, and detracts from the value of the rifle.