| Huvius |
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| 12/09/19 11:33 AM |
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I know we all (?) aspire to owning a bespoke Mauser from Rigby, Westley Richards, H&H or other high class British maker or to have the likes of Hartmann & Weiss or Joel Dorleac build a custom Mauser '98 to our specifications. I know I do...
Maybe you dream of a custom built rifle from one of the notable American gunmakers in business today or a classic Mauser from the likes of Griffin & Howe or Hoffman (agree there too!) but it seems to me that this tunnel vision may be causing us to miss out on the "diamonds in the rough" which are often the no name Mauser sporters, "Guild Mausers" or those from lesser known makers which offer much of the period stye and romance and all of the field performance of similarly chambered high dollar rifles.
Case in point, my Mahillon 9.3X62, which, I don't hesitate to mention since I have no desire to ever sell it, was purchased for the princely sum of $632! Of course it isn't in perfect condition but does have a lovely bore and probably the most beautiful wood of any Mauser sporter of that period I have ever seen.
Lucky score?
I like to think so, but I see rifles of this... um, caliber, quite often.
In fact, there is an 8mm I am looking at quite intently right now which checks a lot of boxes that most of us would like to be checked as they relate to a good, solid, reliable hunting rifle.
The price seems just a little too high at just under a grand but surely if it had any name of note on the barrel it would fetch three times the price.
I know name alone carries a lot of value but am I (and many other classic rifle enthusiasts)missing something here?
| lancaster |
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| 12/09/19 02:13 PM |
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name is only a addition for me because I look for the cartridge the gun fire
but everyone his own
| Ash |
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| 12/09/19 05:44 PM |
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name is only a addition for me because I look for the cartridge the gun fire
but everyone his own
You like the more unusual ones.
Not that I own anything worth mentioning, but I like th cartridge name to match the makers name.
So for example - if I ever bought a 404 Jeffery I’d want it to be a Jeffery made rifle.
Having said that I want to build a big ol .700 on a bolt gun. Doubt I’ll ever have the funds to build it as nice as I like, or heck maybe to even build it. We’ll see. Going to be a Montana PH action which is a Mauser derivative..
NitroX
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| 12/09/19 06:54 PM |
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I think no name Mausers are more common here. Cheap. These expensive Mauser brands are out of the reach of the pocket of most.
I would like a gun rack filled with prestigious brand names, but in the end the common Mauser kills just as well.
Parker Hale, and ex-mil Mausers, plus actual Mausers are in my rack. Along with a Whitworth, whatever that is.
| JDL |
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| 12/09/19 11:05 PM |
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Although I would love to have an exquisite example as has been pictured in this forum, not any would take the place of this one I have. I had a good friend that had terminal cancer offer to give me this one a few months before his death. I told him i'd rather buy it from him so we agreed upon a price. He had it built using a brand new 7mm FN military barrel and it is one of the best shooting rifles I have. I have taken deer and elk with it. Oh, it does have a name, I named it Bob for my friend.:-)
| Huvius |
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| 13/09/19 05:22 AM |
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Here’s one I recently bought and sold.
Built on a Standard Modell Mauser action and very well done.
Really a very nice rifle for well under a grand.
Here’s the Mahillon
| DarylS |
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| 13/09/19 05:31 AM |
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Nice - Is the trigger guard on the Mahillon a DS trigger guard?
| Homer |
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| 13/09/19 06:35 PM |
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G'Day Fella's,
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!
Huvius, "What ever Floats your Boat" mate.
It would be a boring old world, if we were all the same.
Imagine if all of us, only collected one particular Mauser sporter, contract, or time period, it would be mayhem.
I'm sure some people do do this but they can probably afford whatever they like as well.
As a result of this, we collect or pick up what ever we get a chance purchase, or stumble onto, when it comes along.
Whilst I do like some/many Mausers, my may collecting interest, is post WWII commercial sporting rifles.
You know, the old BSA, Brno, FN's etc .........
At the moment, I'm working on getting an Anschutz, Model 1845 E (it looks identicle to an FN commercial sporting, 1898 type Mauser).
But, it has no "Anschutz" markings on the action, all these details, are roll stamped on the barrel.
Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer
| tinker |
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| 13/09/19 11:10 PM |
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I've seen some really nice guns and rifles marked Mahillon
I have a high grade cased two barrel set from Mahillon, SxS shotgun and SxS rifle.
| Huvius |
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| 13/09/19 11:47 PM |
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Nice - Is the trigger guard on the Mahillon a DS trigger guard?
It isn't, just larger than the usual single trigger. I suppose the DST guard could have been used prior to machining for the DSTs.
| DarylS |
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| 14/09/19 02:48 AM |
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tks Huvius.
| Aaron_Little |
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| 15/09/19 02:43 AM |
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I really like the lesser known names. One can get great quality for a lot less than the big names. What’s not to like about that.
Case in point my Ernst Steigleder 8x60mmJ. I picked it up cheap due to the odd bore size. I finally found reloading dies and need to get busy developing loads. I wouldn’t build a comparable rifle for 10X the price I bought it at.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=320718&an=0&page=1#Post320718
| kuduae |
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| 15/09/19 08:54 AM |
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Another example of "name" and "noname" Mausers:
Some time ago this rifle was sold through egun. Barrel signed by "Joseph Lang & Sons, 102 New Bond Street, London". Not really a big name, but at least a London address and London proofs. Pre-WW1 DWM action. 27" barrel in .375 Rimless NE aka 9.5x57 Mannlicher – Schoenauer.
At about the same time I bought this noname Mauser, a near twin. Same London proofs, same DWM action, same barrel length, same .375 Rimless NE chambering, same style of sight bases, same stock shape. Only about 10% of the price.
IMHO both rifles, name and noname, were built by the same men in the same shop.
| lancaster |
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| 17/09/19 04:14 AM |
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yes, a well known name is only a bonus!
| ColoradoMatt1 |
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| 30/09/19 09:54 PM |
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Looks like you stole that Mahillon! That shop made a lot of really nice guns. I think of them as Belgian Griffin & Howe. They too used a lot of Oberndorf actions, and there work is outstanding. Your 9.3x62 bolt handle looks military (hard for me to tell, at that angle, if it’s pear shaped or round), but the guard bow appears like it might be commercial large Oberndorf. Is that correct? I’d love to see pics of the whole enchilada!
| Huvius |
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| 01/10/19 08:37 AM |
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Matt, here's my post about it when I got it.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=318795&an=0&page=2#Post318795
| Sus1 |
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| 14/01/20 03:18 AM |
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I would like to give my answer to fellow member Huvius.
First about Mahillon (in later years La Maison du Chasseur-Mahillon). Mahillon was a big hunting shop in Brussels, Belgium. They were not really makers. Mahillon ordered guns and sold these under their own name. A bit like Army and Navy, Rodda and such. Most were made by top Belgian makers (Francotte and others) but British and German made Mahillons are also sometimes encountered. Mahillon marketed quality stuff only, and they have an excellent reputation in Europe. I live in Belgium and my local shop has a mint Mahillon mauser bolt action (cal 8x68S) for sale that makes me drool… Conclusion: your Mahillon is a very nice Belgium made rifle from a respected firm.
“No name Mausers” (and also ‘no name’ double rifles and shotguns for that matter) are very common in Europa. These are difficult to judge. Sometimes an educated guess can be made, based on style, proofmarks and such. Or you have to know what to look for. If for example you buy a double rifle with no name (or an obscure name) at a low price, and find a small AF stamp on the barrels and action, you can start a dance of joy. That little stamp means Francotte, one of the best makers ever. With ‘no name guns’ overall quality, condition and reliability (check every bolt action for reliable feeding at high speed!!) are the deciding criteria. With a bit of luck you may find a genuine gem for little money.
Remember that some ‘common’ manufacturers made very good bolt actions. The Herstal made FN and FN-Browning commercial mauser sporters for example are really top quality. I also have this British Parker-Hale in .404 Jeffery that works like a charm. You mention Joel Dorléac. He wrote an interesting article in the French magazine ‘Armes the Chasse’ about this very question: wich is/was the best bolt action in the world? For Joél Dorleac the answer is simple: the Czech Brno rifles. How right he is! I own several. My latest acquisition is a 1967 Brno ZKK 602, .358 Norma Magnum caliber (mint condition, 450 euro) You can not buy a better rifle anywhere ( here we talk precision, reliability, quality of barrel, steel etc) at any price. A top name London bolt action with extra fancy wood and all the trimmings will cost you a tremendous amount of money, but it will NOT be a better rifle. In fact the Brits never made a peep sight as good as the Brno collapsable bridge peep. The fact that Brno rifles were by far the cheapest (money-wise) on the European market probably created this general ignorance concerning its real qualities.
Greetings
Sus
| Huvius |
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| 14/01/20 03:55 AM |
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Sus, welcome to NitroExpress
Thank You for contributing.
Excellent first post!
| Louis |
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| 14/01/20 06:53 PM |
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Welcome to the Forum, Sus, and thank you for your much documented post.
Louis
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 15/01/20 08:44 AM |
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Sus, welcome to the forum. Thanks for an excellent first post. Hopefully we will hear more form you.
Matt.
| Huvius |
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| 15/01/20 03:15 PM |
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I've been watching this one for quite a while.
In fact, this is the rifle I mentioned in my first post.
This is the epitome of a "No Name Mauser" to me.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/gun-libr...WTz_stype%3DGNU
8X57. Somewhat boring, yes, but very capable.
Pretty standard stocking but nice looking - nothing fancy but quite serviceable.
The full rib barrel is quite a nice touch and very much like a Krupp made barrel.
The way it's turned at the receiver ring reminds me of a Hartford Collar on a Sharps.
Set trigger too, that's nice.
Maybe I will lowball them but I really am not looking for another bolt gun... but then...
| 3DogMike |
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| 15/01/20 03:39 PM |
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Ben,
Go for it....just ignore the "Danny DeVito" length stock and have Steve put a 1" S.W. Silver pad on it.
- Mike
| vykkagur |
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| 20/01/20 05:33 PM |
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Parker Hale, and ex-mil Mausers, plus actual Mausers are in my rack. Along with a Whitworth, whatever that is.
All the Whitworth's I've seen are built from P14's. But then I'm sure you'd recognize an Enfield action, so perhaps that icon was signifying tongue-in-cheek?
| Gundog01 |
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| 20/01/20 11:14 PM |
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Speaking of.....
There have been a few similar rifles to this one that have surfaced the past few years.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/853547180
| Huvius |
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| 21/01/20 02:25 AM |
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All the Whitworth's I've seen are built from P14's.
Surely he's referring to the Interarms Whitworths made with the Mk.X Mauser action.
Gundog01, that 9.5X57 is a no name Mauser I could live with!
Really cool rifle.
| DarylS |
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| 21/01/20 04:53 AM |
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Yeah - that's a nice rifle.
| vykkagur |
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| 22/01/20 03:54 AM |
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All the Whitworth's I've seen are built from P14's.
Surely he's referring to the Interarms Whitworths made with the Mk.X Mauser action.
You're probably right. I've never seen any with Mauser actions here, but that could be that they weren't really being sold much around here by the time they were building them from Mausers. Or maybe it's because I only noticed the Enfields, being "an Enfield man myself."
| JDL |
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| 22/01/20 06:05 AM |
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That trade rifle looks to be a dandy! Does the barrel look rather heavy to you?