Waidmannsheil
(.400 member)
20/12/20 07:48 PM
Maybe not

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/rigby-launches-new-magnum-model-highland-stalker/

Matt.


GG375
(.333 member)
20/12/20 09:02 PM
Re: Maybe not


Gross


Marrakai
(.416 member)
20/12/20 09:42 PM
Re: Maybe not

Agree Graeme. The lines are not particularly pleasing to my eye either, but I'm guessing it will be a marketing success nonetheless.

If I was to own a .300 Win Mag, I'd be much happier with an old Ruger M77 Mk.II...
...for a twentieth of the price!


paradox_
(.375 member)
20/12/20 10:06 PM
Re: Maybe not

No , thank you

justcurious
(.333 member)
21/12/20 03:49 AM
Re: Maybe not

Incarnation of BREXIT in rifle design.

Louis
(.375 member)
21/12/20 03:58 AM
Re: Maybe not

Congratulations on your sharp sense of humour, Just Curious!
Louis


DORLEAC
(.333 member)
21/12/20 05:40 AM
Re: Maybe not


A good example of how to betray the spirit of simplicity and elegance.
It happens when greed allows to make ugly what was beautiful.... but that won't stop some would-be connoisseurs from buying that horror to show it proudly in their rack.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com


3DogMike
(.400 member)
21/12/20 06:01 AM
Re: Maybe not

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike

ADDED/EDIT:
The 25" barrel is to my notion quite fine, I'd even be happy with 26" (tradition you know)
The choice of .300 Win Mag is understandable from a marketing standpoint, but from a traditional outlook it would be so much better in (gasp) .300 H&H Belted Mag.
All that being said, the price tag is a bit out of my league, and even then I'd opt for the "London Best" or London Best - Vintage" version....after all, what is a few thousand more $$$ when you are ordering a Rigby?


Ripp
(.577 member)
21/12/20 06:56 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike






And all yours for $20,000 US...


93x64mm
(.416 member)
21/12/20 07:21 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike




I have to agree with you there Mike.
I don't like to do a fine company like Rigby a disservice, the rifle will probably shoot very well also!
Companies like H&H did accuracy work on military rifles over the years - but they were military rifles!
If you want a .300WM to do your Plains game then that is perfectly fine by me, but the rifle should be in a "Plains game" guise rather than what we have here.
Very functional yes, but as to being my cup of tea; I'm afraid its gone rather cold!


DarylS
(.700 member)
21/12/20 08:08 AM
Re: Maybe not

It just appears WRONG.

mckinney
(.400 member)
21/12/20 01:16 PM
Re: Maybe not

The stock would benefit from another 1.5+ inches of drop and the barrel by losing a couple of inches in length, but not as hideous as I had expected. I was expecting one of their more garish modern creations.

vykkagur
(.300 member)
22/12/20 09:37 AM
Re: Maybe not

It looks like a bolt-action shotgun.

The text should read: "...VERY heavy sporter profile barrel."


Marrakai
(.416 member)
22/12/20 09:58 AM
Re: Maybe not

Ah yes, the text...

Quote:

all forms of mountain hunting



At a poofteenth under 4kg empty and unscoped, one wonders at the justification of that statement!

Don't get me wrong, absolutely love Rigbys and applaud the company for their current reincarnation, but just can't get my head around the promulgation of the "bag grip" into the twenty-first century.

But hey, that's just me....


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
22/12/20 07:07 PM
Re: Maybe not

I am a bit surprised at the comments of it should have a shorter barrel to "look" better! It is a "magnum" rifle. A 25 inch or even better a 26 inch barrel is entirely appropriate. A 23 or 24 " barrel on a "magnum" sized cartridge is a modern abomination.

What is wrong and looks off is the barrel profile and taper. The Mauser barrel suppliers need to pull their accounting heads in and allow Rigby to use more appropriate barrels, profiles and tapers.

As for the stock shape, I would have to put it up alongside their existing Highland Stalker rifles/ To see if it is any different. My guess it will not be at all. And the Highland Stalker with a shorter maybe different barrel profile looked fine, was complemented on NE quite a bit. And a great commercial success.

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/wp-content/uploads/Highland-Stalker-300wm-scaled.jpg

A .300 Win Mag? Well that is now a "classic". Yep a .300 H&H Mag would be a nice idea, if you want one, order it with a custom chambering. Commercially the H&H choice would not be successful.


vykkagur
(.300 member)
23/12/20 03:00 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

I am a bit surprised at the comments of it should have a shorter barrel to "look" better! It is a "magnum" rifle. A 25 inch or even better a 26 inch barrel is entirely appropriate. A 23 or 24 " barrel on a "magnum" sized cartridge is a modern abomination.

What is wrong and looks off is the barrel profile and taper. The Mauser barrel suppliers need to pull their accounting heads in and allow Rigby to use more appropriate barrels, profiles and tapers.

As for the stock shape, I would have to put it up alongside their existing Highland Stalker rifles/ To see if it is any different. My guess it will not be at all. And the Highland Stalker with a shorter maybe different barrel profile looked fine, was complemented on NE quite a bit. And a great commercial success.

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/wp-content/uploads/Highland-Stalker-300wm-scaled.jpg

A .300 Win Mag? Well that is now a "classic". Yep a .300 H&H Mag would be a nice idea, if you want one, order it with a custom chambering. Commercially the H&H choice would not be successful.






I think you're on it when you say it's the profile. I've compared photos of original stalkers, Rigby, Ross, et al, and their barrel length is comparable, if not longer. The unduly heavy profile (for a .30 of any type) would be more in keeping with a DG round, and those we tend to see in shorter lengths, both for ballistics and handiness in close quarters. Some peoples' first reaction is, "The barrel's too long." Some of us see it as too heavy. The lack of a front sight only emphasizes this.

I still think it looks like a (very refined!) hardware store goose gun.


tinker
(.416 member)
23/12/20 04:21 AM
Re: Maybe not

I agree with the criticism on barrel profile.
No problem with the length, for the caliber length is your friend.
It looks clubby. My eye wants to see more taper to the muzzle.
I'd also like to see a set of sights.


The stock doesn't look right to me either. The forend could be a bit longer and it could start slimming sooner back by the magazine.
I don't like the bag grip.
Also the transitions of the contours look a bit buffed to me, could be more crisp.



DarylS
(.700 member)
23/12/20 04:41 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

It looks like a bolt-action shotgun.

The text should read: "...VERY heavy sporter profile barrel."




I agree with that statement (the first one).
The barrel is too heavy for a stalking rifle calibre. I also think the calibre is wrong for a stalking rifle. 7x57, 7x64,
.280 Rem. something like that would have been much better, even a 30/06 or .300 H&H.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
23/12/20 01:43 PM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

I also think the calibre is wrong for a stalking rifle. 7x57, 7x64, .280 Rem. something like that would have been much better, even a 30/06 or .300 H&H.




There is the standard Highland Stalker, Daryl. It has been around for several years. This is the NEW magnum model, newly introduced.


DarylS
(.700 member)
23/12/20 02:05 PM
Re: Maybe not

Well, not my cup-of-tea, but I'm sure someone will like it.

3DogMike
(.400 member)
23/12/20 02:15 PM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

Well, not mu cup-of-tea, but I'm sure someone will like it.



Whom ever likes it will like it well enough to shell out $20 Grand USD..... (for a Blazer influenced ugly duckling?) Phhhhttt...

A thought:
Perhaps this rifle is meant to appeal not to those of us that appreciate and expect fine classic firearms from an historic London "Best Gun" maker........
....maybe targeted at the "post-millennial arriviste" that knows not....you know, the Courvoisier and Coke type that will mount a 4x24 50mm scope vs those of us that appreciate a fine Single Malt. (God, I hope they aren't YOUR kids!)

-Mike


Woldan
(.224 member)
24/12/20 12:44 AM
Re: Maybe not

It does not look right without open sights, and the barrel profile, while good for accurate shooting just does not fit. 20 grand?
I guess the quality is there, but I'd rather have a nice Mauser Sporter in 7x64 or 30-06 for this kind of job.


GG375
(.333 member)
13/01/21 07:34 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

Agree Graeme. The lines are not particularly pleasing to my eye either, but I'm guessing it will be a marketing success nonetheless.

If I was to own a .300 Win Mag, I'd be much happier with an old Ruger M77 Mk.II...
...for a twentieth of the price!




Gidday Tony. Yeah, I must be getting old and cranky.....can't stand all this "change for the sake of change" and "continuous improvement" especially when it pertains to classic British hunting rifles

I recently decided to get into a long range setup as the whole long range hunting and shooting subject intrigues me. I went with a budget setup.....a Bergara Wilderness Hunter in 300 WM. All up cost for rifle, scope and mounts will be under 3K. Should be fun

All the best.

GG


prairie_ghost
(.300 member)
13/01/21 11:14 PM
Re: Maybe not

Barrel profile looks like a Rem 700; what do they say about imitation and flattery.......

ducmarc
(.400 member)
02/02/21 01:02 PM
Re: Maybe not

just missing the bipod and the boss muzzle brake. you spend 20k to look like everyone else. or do you? 300 win mag? if your going to build an american caliber rifle that looks like an american rifle 300 ultra mag. is it otherwise you might get one upped around the campfire by some dude with a 700 remington with a pac-nor barrel screwed in it.long range dudes are like duck hunters to shotguns they don't care how it looks as long as u can bark a squirrel at thousand yards or in the case of duck hunters how good a paddle it makes

Rule303
(.416 member)
03/02/21 09:33 AM
Re: Maybe not

I think Rigby have done a very upstanding and fine job of making a lemon. Stick a modern looking long rang rifle in a classic stock. Hell you could get a custom rifle made up for a 3rd the cost that would be every bit as well made, shooting tiny groups with a stock that fits you.

My comments might be harsh, but common Rigby, they are truly fair.


paradox_
(.375 member)
03/02/21 11:18 PM
Re: Maybe not

There is a consensus that they may have lost their way......We can only assume that there is a demand that they are meeting???

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 02:14 AM
Re: Maybe not









The Rigby Highland Stalker rifle


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 02:21 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:









The Rigby Highland Stalker rifle




Its the same modern Rigby Highland Stalker rifle but without open sights and longer barrel. Maybe the same barrel profile as the shorter barrel.

Is it a magnum length action or not? I will have to enquire.

IMO a slimmer barrel profile would be far preferable, and I would keep open sights on it.

The original barrel length is for standard cartridges.

A longer barrel is suitable for a magnum cartridge such as a .300 Win Mag.

Should the forend be longer? That is questionable?


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 02:24 AM
Re: Maybe not

Again as to the .300 Win Magnum choice.

I would personally go for the obsolete and now rare .300 H&H Magnum.

But that choice as a standard offering is called commercial suicide. The .300 Win Mag is no doubt asked for many times more than a .300 H&H Mag. I imagine getting a Highland Stalker Magnum in .300 H&H magnum would not be a big drama.

A slimmer barrel? Are they so much more expensive? No idea.


degoins
(.333 member)
04/02/21 04:55 AM
Re: Maybe not

Barrel slimmer...yes. Forearm length fine, but could be slimmer along with the rest of the stock. Add sights.

degoins
(.333 member)
04/02/21 05:05 AM
Re: Maybe not

oh and an original type barrel swivel stud.

DarylS
(.700 member)
04/02/21 05:07 AM
Re: Maybe not

The sloped butt I do not like at all. The second one down, isn't too bad to my eye, but the bottom 2 are nasty.

degoins
(.333 member)
04/02/21 05:11 AM
Re: Maybe not

agreed. they need to model the stocks EXACTLY like the top one.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 08:37 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

agreed. they need to model the stocks EXACTLY like the top one.




I completely disagree.

The top stock is a 1908 stock designed for open sights and not modern scope use. I for one would use a scope most of the time for a non stopper cartridge, and as these are medium calibre rifles, scopes are the norm. The stock needs to support the needs of actual real users. And as a "standard" design, actual customers.

One can always order a London Best with whatever stock one wants.

But one pays for the Rigby brand name.

On another thread and topic, one certainly pays for the Holland & Holland names. And Purdey And .... if you want one of these brands, expect to pay for the name.

And for a lot of vintage rifles of the same, one may pay even more. I had a discussion on the phone with one of members with a big collection about this. The vintage rifles will cost more.

As has been said, for actual use, a custom made rifle of a similar design. But it will be a "custom" whatever rifle, not a "Rigby". For those that think that matters. Hunting with a branded rifle or a whatever rifle, if made to similar specs, makes not difference to the hunt or the game.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 08:45 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

The sloped butt I do not like at all. The second one down, isn't too bad to my eye, but the bottom 2 are nasty.




Daryl,

All the modern rifle stocks are the same shape and specs. The lighting, shadows, angle of the stocks, photo sizing etc might look like some differences between them But they are the same. (at least I think so!). One photos the rifle is angled differently. The other two the rifles look flatter. The lighting has quite an effect too.

Which is why I created the post. Because the ?magnum" rifle has the same stock as the standard Highland Stalker. Which a lot of people previously liked. Have a look at the link to the original thread.

I do like the look of the standard model. I could handle one of these with a price I could afford. The longer barrel I would have to have a good think. And compare the specs and looks to other magnum barrelled rifles. How the stocks might differ.

I would not say no to a vintage rifle either. If the drop can still handle a scope, but few of these would have been scoped. For a modern hunting rifle, an unscoped 7x57 would be a bit of a lesser performer.

Had a look at a Jeffery, Rigby, perhaps another Rigby, all three in .275 or 7x57, at a meeting at Marrakai's in Darwin. Very nice and slim and quite beautiful. I could see why so many people lust over a nice vintage Rigby or Rigby clone.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 08:53 AM
Re: Maybe not

PS If anyone has good photos of original Rignys please post away.

Be interesting to see how they compare to each other ie other vintage rifles, as well as the modern versions.


paradox_
(.375 member)
04/02/21 09:58 AM
Re: Maybe not

John

The 300 H&H is neither absolute , or rare.
The cartridge is alive and well amongst those who understand what it represents.
It is actually enjoying something of a comeback with its sleek, tapered....dare I say wonderful lines. This as many grow tired of the bulky short necked variety of a certain 300 magnum.....IMHO.
In respect to commercial sucicide, this premise didnt stop Rigby from chambering the stalker for the great 8x57 when most Americans and Aussies dont give the cartridge a so much as a seconf thought


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 10:10 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

John

The 300 H&H is neither absolute , or rare.
The cartridge is alive and well amongst those who understand what it represents.
It is actually enjoying something of a comeback with its sleek, tapered....dare I say wonderful lines. This as many grow tired of the bulky short necked variety of a certain 300 magnum.....IMHO.




Show me a gunshop selling loaded ammo for it.

Tell me how many new rifles are sold for it in Australia each year?


Quote:


In respect to commercial sucicide, this premise didnt stop Rigby from chambering the stalker for the great 8x57 when most Americans and Aussies dont give the cartridge a so much as a seconf thought




Yes but 8x57 was or is still one of the most used chamberings in Germany and also probably in Eastern Europe and other parts of Continental Europe.

Ffffing hell, the fact is Rigby is only chambering ONE cartridge for their magnum rifles at present. Who the ffff would choose a .300 H&H Mag on a probable test case chambering and rifle? If you wanted a success and as many sales as possible.

Yes I would choose it and many of us would, but we are the exceptions. I doubt I would ever buy a .300 Win Mag.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 10:23 AM
Re: Maybe not

A question. Other than the .300 H&H Magnum, what other "magnum", ie in terms of velocity not a belt, cartridges existed in earlier times? And either British or Continental.

The 7 mm SEvH springs to my mind, not sure when it was introduced.

The 8x68S was in 1939 I think.


DarylS
(.700 member)
04/02/21 10:32 AM
Re: Maybe not

My 1936 Model 70 has the ultimate sporter stock.
Rigby & the others, would do well to emulate it.
It works very well with open sights or scoped as mine is.
A fairly head's-up shooting position is used for scope use,
as with most European rifles - I like that.


Waidmannsheil
(.400 member)
04/02/21 01:44 PM
Re: Maybe not

The 280 Ross in 1906.

Matt.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/02/21 05:25 PM
Re: Maybe not

Hi Daryl,

Post a photo of your stock.

Rigby wanted to emulate the old design, but I guess with modern use in mind as well, ie scopes. A lot of modern consumers hate the look of those "hogback" Euro stocks.

Hot older cartridges?

Wasn't there a .240 H&H Mag? I don't know its intorduction date.

Surely their is something in the 7 mm class as well?

Regarding barrel length, was some Westley Richards rifles 28 even 30 inch rifle barrels? Surely there forend stocks were longer? As unwieldy as those rifles mist be in the bush.


Huvius
(.416 member)
05/02/21 03:43 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

The 280 Ross in 1906.




And the Halger cartridges as well.

On occasion, Mauser would stamp some sporters with “MAGNUM” on the barrel breech.
I have a TypeB 9.3X62 so stamped and have seen some 8X60s stamped this way as well. Not sure, but I think that had to do with bullet weight/velocity over the standard loading.


xausa
(.400 member)
05/02/21 08:58 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

A question. Other than the .300 H&H Magnum, what other "magnum", ie in terms of velocity not a belt, cartridges existed in earlier times?




.30 Newton, .35 Newton, .280 Ross, .350 Rigby to name a few.

.30 Newton (1913) 180 gr. bullet @ 2860 fps.
.35 Newton (1915) 250 gr. bullet @ 2975 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 140 gr. bullet @ 2900 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 150 gr. bullet @ 2800 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 160 gr. bullet @ 2799 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 180 gr. bullet @ 2550 fps.
.350 Rigby (1908) 225 gr. bullet @ 2625 fps.


xausa
(.400 member)
05/02/21 09:42 AM
Re: Maybe not

This is a pre-World War I Rigby stock, which PhysDoc spotted on eBay and was kind enough to call my attention to. It represents the last element needed to restore a pre-World War I slant box magazine rifle, which Lon Paul has been commissioned to do. Both of us think highly of the design of the stock, other than the odd angle of the buttplate, which will not be retained. The barrel and action were already in Lon's possession.

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ee504/xausa/Rigby_slant_box_Mauser_stock_001_(2).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds[/IMG]

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ee504/xausa/Rigby_slant_box_Mauser_stock_003_(4).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds[/IMG]


DarylS
(.700 member)
05/02/21 03:33 PM
Re: Maybe not

Can't post a picture. Lack the expertise on this forum.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
05/02/21 09:53 PM
Re: Maybe not

Hi Daryl, email relevant images to me. Hopefully I will get to post them!

paradox_
(.375 member)
06/02/21 10:47 AM
Re: Maybe not

I am very sure the Amercian and Australin markets would line up for the 300H&H. IMHO
Its different, has clean lines and is a great hunting cartridge. After all every man and his Winchester chambers the mighty short neck magnum.
Who wouldn't want a brace of the famous H&H cartridges....even in that confiq?.

I did see one of the new limited run Rigbys this week. I believe the first one was auctioned with the proceeds going to the NHS.
Congratulation to the Rigby team for this very worth while contribution.

But...........inscribed on the floor plate of this rifle was " Stay calm and carry a Rigby".....or something to that effect.
Now, surely this is this stuff Tee shirts are made of, not Big Game Rifles???


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
06/02/21 05:29 PM
Re: Maybe not

Thank God they did not chamber it for the 6.5 mm Creedmoor!

Rule303
(.416 member)
06/02/21 10:08 PM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

Thank God they did not chamber it for the 6.5 mm Creedmoor!




I truly shuddered at that thought.

Looking at the picks of the new Rigby some other lines might help explain why some might not like the look. The knox form is longer-understandable- and the tapper from the knox form is far more gentle then on other Highland Stalkers.

On reflection my dislike for it is due to the fact it is a Rigby without the Rigby classic lines, except for the short fore end. I believe the cartridge choice is OK and probably the best in a commercial sense.....maybe. I would think those who are going to fork out over $10,000AUD would probably be more inclined to pay for a more classic cartridge.

What ever my likes/dislikes I hope this is a success for Rigby.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
07/02/21 05:18 PM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:









The Rigby Highland Stalker rifle






http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=326332&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

OK I can see why the comments about some people still liking the old stock design. If it is not too low for scope use, looks nice and balances a long slim barrel with a shortish forend.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
07/02/21 05:23 PM
Re: Maybe not

BTW the Corbett rifle barrel looks a lot longer than the other 1900's original at the top.

DarylS
(.700 member)
08/02/21 08:53 AM
Re: Maybe not

I think it's the sloping butt plate AND the bag grip I detest.
edited
That's rather strong. No, not detest, but rather dislike on a 'modern' rifle.
If the bag was larger (swelled), it would be somewhat better, imho.


degoins
(.333 member)
10/02/21 12:23 AM
Re: Maybe not

"BTW the Corbett rifle barrel looks a lot longer than the other 1900's original at the top."

The Corbett rifle barrel is 25". Mine is the same.


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
10/02/21 12:25 AM
Re: Maybe not

Quote:

"BTW the Corbett rifle barrel looks a lot longer than the other 1900's original at the top."

The Corbett rifle barrel is 25". Mine is the same.




That is what the new Rigby "magnum" rifle should look like. With that sort of barrel profile. IMO.




degoins
(.333 member)
10/02/21 02:49 AM
Re: Maybe not

"That is what the new Rigby "magnum" rifle should look like. With that sort of barrel profile. IMO."

Agreed. That thing just doesn't look right to me. And at that insane price.....no thanks!


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
10/02/21 03:19 PM
Re: Maybe not

Saying it again. The barrel would look far better with sights on it. And perhaps a taper or slimmer profile. Putting it against the older rifle(s)_, one Corbett's, the other a new Rigby copy of it. The barrel on the new one might not be that thick after all? But I think a different barrel profile might be nicer. Have said that three or four time now, so should stop.

Putting these rifles up against each in similar sizes, and somewhat similar imagery, the angles and lighting are different. The newer rifle is not bad, and is more modern in appearance and shape. And will no doubt appeal to some buyers, probably a lot of well heeled new buyers.

The older rifle does have an appearance and shape and style more attractive to me. As it does with most members here.

The old patina etc of the old rifle, or the replica, is not necessary, the shape of the stock, sights, and barrel does look nicer. Stock finishes? No one buys a NEW rifle with a worn stock finish. Making one of those old rifles with new blue and new stock finish, oil rub etc, they might look a bit different as well.



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