| WVFRED |
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| 28/03/08 09:35 AM |
303 Fraser
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It has been a long time since I've added any new Mausers it seems they are getting harder to find lately.I have been seeing some great guns posted by Dale,DonS and Huvius.I have recently aquired one I thought would be worthy to post among these.It is a Daniel Fraser 303(7.65x53 ARG)takedown.The pictures really don't do it justice.My daughter has my camera in Florida so when she returns I will take more.Thanks for looking.
| WVFRED |
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| 28/03/08 09:39 AM |
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| dnovo |
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| 28/03/08 09:43 AM |
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Extraordinarily nice. My compliments. If you ever feel the need to thin the herd, I will offer it a nice home. DAVE
| Huvius |
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| 28/03/08 09:51 AM |
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Super nice! I need this more than dnovo.
Do you remove the forend to access the takedown release, or is the forend lever the release itself? I'm not too familiar with the types of takedown systems out there, but am very interested in them.
You "thought" it would be worthy?! Its MORE than worthy!! I'm jealous...
| 88MauSporter |
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| 28/03/08 10:04 AM |
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WVFRED:
What a great classic Mauser. I love the style and business like attitude at the same time. I take it as a 1891 Action? I have some orignal Argentine Rifles in the same caliber. One is a '91 carbine that is a delight to carry and shoot.
Thanks for sharing this. I must also say that I "Lust in my heart" for a rifle like that.
| WVFRED |
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| 28/03/08 10:18 AM |
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Thanks Guys,
I was really amazed at the quality and workmanship in this rifle.I appreciate the new home offers but it's pretty happy here now
.Huvius,
The lever just releases the forend and there is a screw in the front reciever ring on the side I don't have a pic of.I will get one soon.
88MauSporter,
I'm not sure on what action it is,I kind of thought it was a 93 or 95 action.Maybe someone here knows for sure what action Fraser used on these.
Thanks again
Fred
| m4220 |
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| 28/03/08 10:18 AM |
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Very, very nice!!!!!! I don't own a take down yet, but would certainly make room for such a worthy speciman. I'm not the only one noticing the nice Mausers drying up lately?
m4220
| dons |
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| 28/03/08 10:32 AM |
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Fred, fantastic TD rifle and 303 to boot. Fraser is a real class act. I think this would look good next to the Type G. Congratulations.
| 88MauSporter |
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| 28/03/08 11:58 AM |
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WVFRED:
I just looked at my1871, 1888, 1891, 1893, 1895, 1896. 1898, 1905, 1908,1922, 1924 Mausers.
I do believe this is an 1891 with the safety lever altered nicely and the Rigby style stiker "peep" sight.
The 1891 is a perfectly good action. They usually didn't come with an "in-stock" magazine. They had an extended straight line. But, like one of my 1888's, the rifle crafters did many great improvements or changes to the Sporting guns. I saw that Dons noted it as a .303(?). You noted it as a 7.65 Argintine. I assume this is the correct cartridge. Great one for hunting. Mine are very accurate.
What a great find.
| WVFRED |
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| 28/03/08 12:05 PM |
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88MauSporter,
The barrel is marked 303 but I understand that the Fraser 303 is a 7.65x53 Arg.
Thad Scott recently had one advertised as such.This rifle definetly uses a rimless round.
Fred
| Marrakai |
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| 28/03/08 06:13 PM |
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Marvellous kit, WVFRED. Worth the wait...!
Vintage Brit take-downs really are something special.
| beleg2 |
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| 29/03/08 12:20 AM |
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Fred,
Thank you very much for posting your rifle. IMHO it is a model 93 or 95, this is model have the back of M91 and the front of M98. Some time ago I saw a military 93 in 7,65x54mm (Arg.).
Indeed there were two .303 Fraser, one rimless (7,65 Arg.) and one rimmed (.303 British.). IMHO a .303 Brit. Mauser is very unusual. You should have to measure the bolt head, the rim of the 7.65 is .470. This is the easiest way to know.
I have read about the .303 Fraser but I could never get pictures of a rifle. I’m a fan of the 7,65x54 Arg.. It was the first “modern” cartridge designed Mauser as the 8x57 was designed by a Commission (as 88 surely know) .
I highly recommend Hornady ammo for the 7,65
Any one read Spanish? I wrote an article about the 7,65x54mm for a gun magazine. That I can post.
Martin
| Anonymous |
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| 29/03/08 03:16 AM |
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What a lovely rifle!
If your interested in the maker and his history, let me know, I have detailed files.
| gpsb |
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| 29/03/08 06:46 AM |
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BEAUTIFUL RIFLE.
| 88MauSporter |
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| 29/03/08 06:50 AM |
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Martin:
Yes, the 8mm was designed pretty well by the commission. Not bad for a commission!
I would love to test my Spanish reading your article. So, I for one, would appreciate a post!
| WVFRED |
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| 30/03/08 06:58 AM |
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Sinner,
I would be very interested in any Fraser history.Thank you for asking.
Fred
fwhcah @ yahoo.com
| dale |
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| 30/03/08 11:11 PM |
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I got to handle,inspect, and lust over this one and the pictures just don't do it justice. It is absolutely beautiful. The fit and finish are unbelievable. The quality of workmanship on the rifle is top notch. It's one of those once in a lifetime guns.
| mehulkamdar |
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| 31/03/08 03:57 AM |
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WVFred,
Congratulations on your latest treasure!
That is one beautiful rifle to say the least.Hope many more find their way into your gunsafe.
Good hunting!
| A10ACN |
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| 31/03/08 10:25 PM |
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I've got the brother to this one, all cased up and with the Fraser (Davidson's??) telescope. I too believe Fraser used a 95 or 96 action for these, though I'm not 100% positive. What little research I've done leads me to believe that the .303 Fraser is NOT the 7.65ARG. It uses a Mauser case for sure (in order to feed from the mag) but I think Fraser loaded them himself with Brit 303 bullets (highly regarded at the time). There is a "Fraser's .303 Velox (or Veloplex??)" label in mine. I can't remember what marking the barrel has. I had a chamber cast made and the guys at G&H researched it some to come up with a different answer than 7.65ARG. Mine also came with a handful of fired brass however, it is all just commercial 8x57 so I'm sure it was resized. I haven't fired mine, yet. My advice is to do a chamber cast just to be safe. Hope this helps some.
I know. I know. Worthless without pics! Trust me, being away from my guns and having to rely on memories is even more maddening for me!
Sinner, I would be interested in any notes on Fraser as well. As I understand it the records were lost during the war.
| 88MauSporter |
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| 01/04/08 07:28 AM |
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Martin/ A10ACN:
What do you think? The Bolt shroud looks like an 1891. No gas shield. The floorplate, etc, looks like '95 or '93. I have seen Nice British and Scottish made Rifles of the named makers use the '95 and '93 actions for building such quality and stylish rifles. But, if the Bolt has a claw extractor spring on the side of the bolt, it is the '93 or '95. The Bolt shroud is the same appearance. On closer examination of the photos of the Fraser, I believe it is a '93.
| beleg2 |
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| 01/04/08 11:29 AM |
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A10ACN,
I have never seen a Fraser rifle or cartridge. I only have what Hoyem sais:
"Another product for Daniel Fraser of Edimburgh, Scotland identified from handwriten labels per K.Elks. Some labels just read ".303". The case is the 7.65 Belgian and Turkish Mauser and the bullet is Frasers patant oblique ratchet solfnose. The headstamp is "7.65mm Eley"."
88,
I also think is a 93.
Thanks
Martin
| bpesteve |
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| 01/04/08 12:53 PM |
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Aye, WVFRED, a beauty indeed. If that's the one I'm thinking it is, I lusted after it as soon as it was listed but called a moment too late, you lucky devil! I had one of these Fraser takedowns in .375 Rimless Nitro (aka 9,5x57 Mannlicher) several years ago and was an absolute idiot to let it go. Mine was built on a '93 action with the guide rail along the center of the left lug raceway. The trigger, 'Fraser's Patented Trigger Mechanism', was one of the finest I have ever used.
Fleming's book "British Sporting Rifle Cartridges" shows a couple of entries associated with Fraser in that caliber, one listed as the '.303 Mauser (7.65mm Fraser)' which appears to be identical to the 7,65x53 Belgian-Argentine Mauser round, and another that is listed as the '.303 Fraser Rimless' which appears to actually be a rimless version of the usual .303 British. Sounds like chamber cast time, but what a rifle! Major congratulations!
| Anonymous |
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| 01/04/08 01:44 PM |
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No problem. You have a PM.
| starwars |
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| 04/04/08 01:27 PM |
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That is a very nice rifle do you know when it made? Fraser died in 1904 I believe.
| WVFRED |
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| 07/04/08 04:49 AM |
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STARWARS,
I haven't tracked down much info on the Frasers yet but I will post when I learn anything.Also I would like to thank everyone for all the kind comments.
Fred
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| 24/04/08 08:19 PM |
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Fred,
Let me chime in. That is extraordinary.
Thanks,
Curl
| ozhunter |
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| 07/06/13 04:36 PM |
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This rifles brother in action complements of my Brother (Rigby350).
