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I have searched the internet thoroughly and have not found a barrel contour for the 1910MS 9.5x57 caliber? I have a 375 barrel that I would like to contour like the 1910 if anyone one has the measurements of it. as in Muzzel diameter O.D. breech O.D. and length and o.d of barrel after the radius at breech. I would appreciate any help. |
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Ronniet, if any other Forum member do not jump in before I do, I will provide the information, but not before the middle of next week as I need to re-unite with my MS1910 first. Louis |
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Thanks Louis , please dont forget. Ron |
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Quote: My 1922 proofed M1910 is a Take Down Model, barrel length 60 centimeters. Would measurements of a Take Down Model barrel be of use to you? Per the 1939 Stoeger, 'Carbine' models (stutzen) were offered in 18" on the 6.5X54 (M1903), 20" 0n the 9X56 (M1905), 8X56 (M1908), 9.5X57 (M1910) as well as 7X57 and 'U.S. 1906 Cartridge' (.30-'06): The 'High Velocity', or 'Sporter Half Stock' offerings were all listed with 24" barrels: Note - Stoeger did not list by the M19XX model numbers, only 'Carbine', 'High Velocity', and 'Take Down Model'. Also, Stoeger rounded to the nearest inch measurement of the Steyr barrels, which were issued in metric lengths. Other barrel lengths were available to the U.S. customer of 1939 through special order, also likely rounded to the nearest inch. From the options list below, an M1910 could be ordered with "Extra long barrel, up to 26 inches, caliber 9.5 m/m": Stock dimensions - 'drop' and length of pull: Stoeger, 1931: Note available 22 1/2" bbl. 6.5, 8 and 9 m/m, or 23 5/8" in 9.5 m/m (presumably on 'Carbine' models). The 23 5/8" measurement is a very close equivalent of 60cm. Phantom view MS: |
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Quote: Hi Ronniet I have a 1910 and will measure it up in the morning and post tomorrow. |
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MS M1910 in .375 caliber barrel dimensions Barrel length from front action face to muzzle is 21.750 (this doesnt include the barrel threaded section inside the action. You will need to add for this section as I do not know what rifle action you are using) At action face barrel. 1.140 diameter for a length of .870 going forward. Barrel radius contour ends 1.500 from action face at a diameter of .860 At 3.125" the barrel steps down from .784 to .734 diameter. Barrel then tapers to .610 diameter, 1.0 from muzzle, then steps up to fform the front sight band at .636" diameter |
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Looks like LRF has you covered. I'd trust his measurements as he is a machinist of considerable skill. I presume the measurements are from a stutzen (full stocked carbine)? Be aware, also, that some MS had rebated front sights. I am uncertain if they left the Steyr factory so configured or if it was a 'British' modification? Note 'set back' of front sight from muzzle on this M1910 Take Down Model Sight parts from '39 Stoeger: Barrel profile detail: |
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Thank you LRF and Rothammer1, that is a lot of information and a beautiful rifle. My goal is to make the 375 as light as possible give its large bore, and I see the 1910MS are a "sculpted" piece of art . all excess fat is trimmed away. the cut away drawing is very helpful. I will study on the dimensions of the barrel. Ron |
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Quote: Hi Ron, please send me your email address by PM |
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Quote: I'm glad to provide the information. That was not my own M1910, it's another image I've pilfered from the 'net. Mine is, however, a cased Take Down Model so they are rather similar. I've no recent or high quality images of mine at hand but here she in the hands of former owner (my grandfather) John Forrest Easton in January of 1932: The stocks of sporting Mannlicher Schoenauers, particularly the stutzen, were quite svelte. They are pleasing to the eye and, as you've noted, deftly excised of 'fat'. They have a well deserved reputation as light, quick 'brush guns' and superb stalking rifles. Their 'pointability' with iron sights is quick, instinctive, and superb. Not all full stocked carbines were Mannlichers, however, just as not all Mannlichers had the stutzen stock with which they have since become so closely identified. Mauser Stutzen - Stoeger 1939 Catalog The 'no excess fat' mode carries through to the Steyr built action, with nothing extraneous or unnecessary. Balance and smoothness of function of the MS is without rival. They run like a well oiled watch. The Schoenauer magazine, though difficult to produce, is a marvel of engineering simplicity: Schoenauer magazine with 6.5 X 54 MS The 'cut away drawing' posted previously shows an optional feature, the removable grip cap with storage for spare front sight. Mine has one with original spare sight and also has the 'special folding peep sight' option. Removable grip cap Special Folding Peep Sight - deployed. Visible fore of trigger guard is the take down release lever. Here's a bit more MS information: https://www.africahunting.com/threads/ma...velocity.47277/ A link to Dorleac & Dorleac - several fine, well photographed, Mannlicher Schoenauers. Their custom work is impeccable: https://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/?s=mannlicher&submit=Search |
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Craftsmanship that is elusive in American firearms these days. That is a fantastic picture of your Grandfather , wonderful times surely were had at these hunts! the picture brings up a 1000 questions , thoughts and history, true nostalgia . fine Firearms for the ages. Thank you for sharing. one can only wish these days. Ron |
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LRF, thank you for the email, I could not open the cad drawings though, I did see the Pdf. I am wondering if the measurements given me in your earlier post was for a 9.5x57 or the 7mm caliber, Thank you Ron |
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The first set of dimensions are of the M1910 9.5mm. The drawings are of the barrel for my Steyr 1896 Dutch and were taken from the military 6.5mm barrel. I am converting the Dutch from 6.5 to 7mm. |
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Thank you LRF, I have a lathe and do my own threading and chambering , didn't grow up around machine work or the equipment but in my adult life did buy some equipment needed because I hung around on Old time gunsmith anytime I had the time to spare, he was a real craftsman for the old world. But I often wondered about the radius when listed on a contour or reamer drawing. Like on the measurements you listed it states R-1 1/4 does that mean like a 1 .250 round disc would fit that radius when made correctly? some radius states, 1 1/2 or 5/8" or 1/2" . I have wondered about that? Ron |
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Quote: What are you building? On what action? Here are cartridge dimensions of 9.5 X 57 MS, A.K.A. .375 Nitro Express Rimless: |
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A 375 Nitro express, I had PT&G build me the Reamer and gauges. Using a 1891 that I do a lot of modifications on. I like them as they were well machined, but I do away with the magazine , triggers safeties and some bolt parts in exchange for other types. Going to do this one in a Mannlicher stock so I guess I will cut the barrel down to 22 or so inches. Thanks for the drawing, the drawing Kiff made for me is almost exact but has my name on the drawing Ron |
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Quote: 1.250 (1 1/4) R (radius) would be a 2.500 (2 1/2) D (diameter) |
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Quote: The image I posted of 9.5X57 cartridge dimensions was a 100+ year old Eley (Kynoch) drawing. To which '1891' are you referring? The 'Gewehr 91' variant of the Model 1888 'Commission Rifle' was a military stutzen that already had a rather short barrel and full length stock: Ja, ist Gewehr 91 By 'Mannlicher stock' I presume you mean full length? Here is a page from the 1939 Stoeger showing conversions and 'DIY' kits to make stutzen sporters of surplus military arms from the 'war to end all wars': Notice they were not referred to as 'Mannlicher stocked'. That misnomer seems to have caught on in the U.S. during the post WW2 period. Not all full stocked carbines were Mannlichers, just as not all Mannlichers had the stutzen stock with which they have since become so closely identified. Here is the full page showing a Mauser stutzen as offered in the '39 Stoeger, and, as you enjoyed the phantom view Mannlicher I've included a phantom view Mauser: |
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Hi Rothhammer Wonderful to see Grandads 1910 one more time. Any chance we might see some detailed pics of the Leopard Slayer...???. . Apologies If Ive missed a previous post including them.....in any event Im sure we would all like to see them again. |
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Quote: Not sure if that's mild sarcasm , but here are a few more from the same excursion: From the 'Wingfoot Clan', a Goodyear employee newsletter I actually don't have any quality images or close ups of der Mannlicher Schoenauer. I suppose I should take some someday. Sir Paradox; did you ever see this one?: https://www.africahunting.com/threads/for-sale-rodda-tiger-rifle-finest-known.61183/#post-734953 |
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That is some really nice pictures, reminds me of the movie Red Dust. movie made in that time period. What country and location was this and time period? DO you know who his hunting friend is? Those are some really large shells in his bandoleer . Wonder what side ar he carried in that holster? Its on 1891 Argentine yes full length stock at 22" possibly. Thank you LRF , so anytime I see the Radius used I just double it? Ron |
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Quote: These were from Ceylon (presently Sri Lanka), January 1932. Grand Dad was a Goodyear man and lived at Colombo in style: Back of previously posted group photo: Where? http://www.maplandia.com/sri-lanka/north-western/wagura/ Buffalo: Where?: https://www.iucn.org/sites/dev/files/content/documents/introductory_brief_1_dec_29_2015.pdf Deer: Where?: https://lakpura.com/kumana-national-park The monster cartridges fed this critter, held here by 'hunting friend' George Anthony in detail of previously posted leopard photo: I don't know what sidearm may be obscured by all that leather on the Grand Dad pix. I knew him to have a Webley but that would seem a poor fit. It rather resembles the flap 'cavalry holster' that I had for my old 'Model 1960 Army' repop Colt back in the day. Oh, and by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3af1pL-tUJk |
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Quote: Plenty of Webley .455 revolvers lived in leather flap-holsters. The 1917 Mk.VI and a 6-inch Mk.III in my collection still do. |
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Thanks, again great pictures, and even with the provided links I cannot fond the names on the maps or tanks, maybe I cant read his writings? Big shells were for Gorge Anthony's double? I thought it to be in the 30s. Still reminds me of the Gable movie about the rubber tree trade in Red Dust also 1932 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023382/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Was set in French Indochina and had a tiger hunt also, I think Gable was using a Holland and Holland made Rifle? Ron |
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Quote: IMFDB: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Red_Dust |
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That is a still shot in the movie but I do believe ( could be wrong) he had a H&H or a Rigby bolt when he went and shot the tiger from the tree stand had a light mounted on it, the other guy I think had a double? Ive seen it many times and I enjoy the setting. Typical Gable and Harlow but in the rubber tree business. Ron |
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Rothhammer Sir Paradox indeed!....you do flater me!!!.... No sarcasm intended, I really do look forward to seeing Grandad regularly . Thank you for the additional pics I do enjoy the history of these items very much. Even more reason to get pics up of this rifle. Its not often we can link these lovely old historical pictures with images of the actual rifle in modern times BTW, if I might ask, any relation to Bob??? Unfortunately I did not see the Rodda...( emoji sad face), but I am very happy with with a close substitute, namely a Manton 9x56 Does Grandads 1910 still shoot well, with a good bore?? |
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Quote: 'Sir paradox' just seems to have a certain 'ring' to it. Perhaps with a broad mustache and Wolesley pith helmet? Bob whom? I haven't shot the M1910 for some while but she's very well kept and shot wonderfully when last fired with my own handloads. |
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Thanks Rothhammer Looking forward to those pictures!!!! |