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need also a place to safe pics of M 92 (93&95) sporting rifle's here we go again a M 93 Rumania sporter still in 6,5x53R coming from austria, bad stock work and possible homemade |
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I have show this before, a M 93 action in 9,3x53R Finland must be one of the rifles captured in WW 1 from Rumania and than completly reworked at the steyr factory for the 8x50R mannlicher service cartridge and clip. ended in finland after WW 2 where it was rebored for the 9,3x53R. |
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this one looks excellent, a M 92 stutzen made in austria or germany 6,5x53R |
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Here is one by Rigby's:- Have a copy of the ledger page from Rigby's as well for it. |
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One I photographed for a buyer in the US at a Bisley show:- Had a tang sight at one time. This now resides in the US and has accounted for several Whitetail deer. |
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Here are mine, both in 6.5x53R: A Birmingham proofed sporter, unsigned, action dated 1893. This style is shown both in the Jeffery and in the Webley & Scott catalogs. Parker-Hale peepsight. Signed on barrel by George Gibbs, Bristol & London, action dated 1899. Lyman peepsight. |
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austrian made sporter with 43 cm long barrel in 6,5x53R http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4338625 4x kahles scope on Vienna Schnäpper mount |
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R. from norther ireland send me pics of his sporting rifle Steyr made in 1896 sold by Jeffery's it spend some time in india before WW 2 and a good shooter also |
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sporting rifle build with a romanian M 93 action in 6,5x53R short 444mm long barrel http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4676272 |
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one of the Mannlicher M 93 rifles still in the Steyr factory when the great war starts in 1914 and reworked there for the 8x50R Mannlicher. after the war sporterized http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?363746-1914-Steyr-Mannlicher-Romanian-8-2-x-50r |
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Lancaster Thanks for posting the photos. I have been looking for a good photo of a Mannlicher with the MS style bolt handle. I think it looks better on the Mannlichers than the MS. |
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a 1913 made Steyr M 93 probably sporterized into a nice Stutzen between the wars in austria Carl Reichert/Wien scope on snap mount, 6,5x53R Rumänisch Pirsch http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?369564-1913-Steyr-Sporting-Rifle-With-Original-Optics we see this distinctive stock design from time to time on austrian rifles like this M 95 |
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maybe we had name this the m 93 archive again a M 93 "Rumänien Pirsch" stutzen made in 1913, Hensoldt Mod. Solar 3, Absehen 1 on claw mount 7x57R caliber http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5119299 |
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Here's mine, currently waiting a refinish. Checkering worn smooth and the bore of a badly kept shotgun :P Serial number is B something, can't remember it.. |
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Mine...6.5x53R |
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When I saw the title "Model 92 Archive", I thought I would be seeing a whack of lever actioned rifles. I should have known, seeing the poster's name, that Winchesters were not being displayed. Nice surprise, though - very nice. TKS. |
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sorry for being no expert on lever action guns years ago had an italian copy in 22 lr in my hands and the first bullet leave the muzzle when I close the lever |
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and again a M 93, 7mm caliber so probably 7x57R proofed in Ferlach in 1934, sold in the last Dorotheum auction for 125 euro have the bases for a snap mount but missing the scope http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...r.html?offset=1 |
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ex Netherlands carbine http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5456845 |
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Here's a photo of mine. I haven't received it yet so I only know what's below provided by Holt's. STEYR 375 FL NE '1893' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, Serial no. 24438. 24in. barrel (proved 2014), ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, V-notch with 2 x flip-up leaf rear-sight, rear peep-sight, manual safety, spring clip, chequered semi pistolgrip stock with chequered fore end, steel butt plate, sling eyes |
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Very nice, another one you beat me on LoL ! |
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Sarg I find that for the most part the early Steyr's are real bargains in England. And have been that way for awhile. |
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Yes mate I suppose, but NZ dollar & the fear of way over the top shipping keeps me from biding more, but on a fair few of these & a Schoenauer or two I was the under bidder by only a few pounds ! On the other side you told me you would have got more, so I was always out of luck. I did miss a beauty you sold a (A&N I think) back in the day you could of sent it straight to me, been kicking myself ever since LoL ! Any way well done you have some beautiful rifles, really Alaska seems to be full of them ! Do you hunt with them at all ? |
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Hope he hunts with them I like to try and use everything i have. Sure you do, Alaska has amazing hunting i've heard. |
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A 65" moose taken in Alaska 2013. 10 day float hunt, 1913 G.E. Lewis .404 Jeffrey. Now that I own a larger caliber than 6.5 MS I'll be taking my MS 1893 also. |
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Oh Yeah ! very nice looking Moose, well done. Just there is the chance of such bad weather in Alaska & you can be near the salt air a lot, certainly water any way I would say not many place's like in Aussie you can drive your vehicle out for a hunt & have good weather . I have hunted a fair bit in Alaska & there may be a lot of animals in the State but there sure is a lot of land in between them ! |
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Sarg you got all that right. I do the 10 day float trip each year same river. We almost always get 1 moose sometimes 2. Both bears and wolfs are on the menu also. Caribou usually closes 1 or 2 days before we begin. I usually coat the rifle with Johnson's paste wax. It's for cars but does a heck of a job as a water repellant. I do the inside of the stock as well. |
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Steyr 1892 .375 NE caliber rifle. Holland & Holland on a Model 92 Steyr action. Excellent condition. Scope optics are excellent. Scope is a quick detach and scope is numbered to the rifle. Gun is in leather luggage case with Holland trade label, scope case, cleaning rod and sling. Very nice Holland & Holland rifle on a vintage Steyr action! http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?...p;product=r4379 |
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Steyr 1900 made action http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5620829 |
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Quote: Although it's been was a circuitous route, I've ended up with this beautiful H&H Steyr - now I'm trying to find ammo and clips... Anyone with a warm trail for either? |
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Bertram brass make both the rimmed and rimless. Kynoch sell factory loaded rounds. Very nice looking rifle by the way. Waidmannsheil. |
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That's a very nice Steyr. Keep your eye on Gunbroker for the clips - I recently got a half dozen very clean ones for about $40. You can make the cases from .405 Win, there's a ready supply of Hornady brass. The rims will need reducing in diameter and thinning a little. |
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imho, Hornady's 405 Win is the best basic brass clips becoming rare, buy them whenever you can |
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Thanks All - Mike, please check your PMs! |
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those were the days in dutch east india |
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Looks like my hembrug carbine. Same sights and everything. |
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I just picked this up. Knew it had been rebarreled but thought it was still in 6.5x53r but it appears to be 303 british. Only marking is on the left receiver wall, "hembrug 1914". Barrel slugs .309 and 303 brass chambers after pushing the shoulder back just a bit. A light cast load fired with no issues. Anyone recognize the rear sight? Should be fun to play with. [image]http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/cordite_lee1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161029_212025_zpsdscjpm6h.jpg.html][/URL][/image] [image]http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/cordite_lee1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161029_212056_zpsfwdjwrxp.jpg.html][/URL][/image] |
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You can see that the barrel does not exactly fit the stock. [image]http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/cordite_lee1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161029_214458_zpsvi6c6abd.jpg.html][/URL][/image] |
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The chamber actually seems closer to 30-40 krag in dimensions but 303 brit functions better in the clips. The krag brass has a bit too large a rim. |
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probably a 1950s indonesian rechambered rifle Indonesia bought a lot of 303 Brit surplus ammo India had for sale than from WW 2. I would not hesitate to go again with a 303 reamer because they maybe did a bad job than. |
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Both sights appear to be of the type fitted to SMLEs prior to WW1. So, appears to be a SMLE barrel fitted to a Steyr action. |
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Thanks, that is good to know. I had a good time shooting it this afternoon. It shot right to the sights and is accurate. The fired brass looks good so I have no issues with the chambering job. As I mentioned, I had to move the shoulders back just a little bit on the new brass to get them to chamber but that's a good thing as the brass now fits the chamber perfectly. |
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Looks like an Enfield .303 barrel and sight. The Small Arms Factory in Lithgow officially converted some of these for the Dutch East Indies in WW2. Can you read the proof marks on the breech of the barell or any markings on the sight? Regards AlanD Sydney |
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Got my 1901 actioned spotter the other day, a lot better condition than I thought & the pitting I thought might be on the action turned out to be engraving ! Nice shiny barrel, buuut has been bloody smooth bored ahhh ! |
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nice rifle, I see some potential if it was a 6,5x53R before maybe it can be rifling for the 303? |
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Sarg, may have to rebarrel your rig - shame its a beauty! We used to have Sprinter arms here in SA that rebored rifles, might be lucky your side of the ditch! Apart from that I guess if you could send to the US it would be able to be done easily, plenty there - but importing/exporting a barrel? Might be an option - albeit expensive one! best of British 93x64mm |
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Yes broke my heart as I looked down the barrel, it would have gone nicely with my BSA/lee speed sporters, same sights & engraved . Yes it was a 6.5x53 so a rebore to 303 is in order, all the better for only being marked "nitro proofed" no caliber, just getting it to & back from the US is a major now days ! I have two rebored barrels stuck over there right now ! |
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nice british mannlicher in 6,5x53R. very long 68 cm barrel http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6677122 |
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another interwar austrian made M93 sporting rifle for sale, you see it the vienna snap mount https://www.kunst-waffenkammer.de/feuerw...cher-m18931914/ 6,5x53R, with "Steyr 1914" it could be a rifle made for romania but never delivered because the start of the great war 1914 |
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Nice looking rifle, I particularly like the bolt handle which is very stylish. Waidmannsheil. |
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Here's some photos of the 92 that I bought from Holt's that I posted on here earlier. Surprise it's marked Holland & Holland. Has been refinished and was done over pitting. The rifling is a bit worn as well. I'll see how it shoots as soon as the doctor releases my shoulder for shooting. https://imgur.com/a/VtdnXU4 |
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pics safe, is it a 6,5x53R or a .375? |
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Thats a beauty, kicking myself I didn't put a bit more on it, but someone sure put the polishing wheel on her ! I hope to get my WR home shortly, it is in .375Ex to . |
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yea the H&H is hard to read in places as well. |
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Casper, did you have to reduce the overall length of the cartridge with a 270 grain bullet to less than that of a normal 375 Express cartridge to allow them to fit into the magazine, or has your rifle been modified in some way to allow standard length cartridges to fit. Waidmannsheil. |
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The cast loads that I'm going to shoot as soon as the doctor says that I can are .293. Running them through the rifle the last one in the clip has problems hitting the chamber sometimes. The bullets are 264 grain flat nose. The only ones that I have been able to find on the net. |
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a 1901 Steyr made M 95 https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt...icher&o=neu Hensoldt Wetzlar Duralyt 6x42 Abs. 1 on claw mount |
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1914 made romania mannlicher M 1893 build in 1914, maybe one of the rifles confiscated by the KuK army after the great war start and imho sporterised in the 1920s in austria https://www.kunst-waffenkammer.de/feuerw...cher-m18931914/ vienna snap mount but the scope is lost |
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I have two. Both in very good condition: W. J. JEFFERY & Co. Mannlicher built on a Steyr Model 1892. Caliber .256 Mannlicher (6.5x53R) Barrel Marked "(SIGHTED AND SHOT BY) W.J. JEFFERY & Co. 60 QUEEN VICTORIA ST. LONDON" 24" barrel. ...and another, "SHOT & REGULATED BY ARMY & NAVY. C. S. L. LONDON |
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For some reason I like the straight gripped rifle look better. Maybe it is its minimalist stock. But I would believe the usual gripped stocked rifle, probably has a better stock and style for using the trigger accurately. The straight grip is often seen on shotguns. I have one side by side like this. I also think it makes the rifle look more like a cavalry carbine or a scabbard carbine. Just my feelings in how it looks, never mind it is a sporting rifle. |
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did we have this before? http://www.sitemason.com/page/bculAk Daniel Fraser, Edinburg. Extraordinary Mannlicher-Schoenauer, “take-down” action, African sporting rifle in 6.5x 53R Dutch, completed for a British Baronet in 1895. Weight: 7 ½ Lbs. Stock: 14 ½” LOP. Superb 26” steel barrel with excellent bore and very precise open sights consisting of a single fixed 100 yd. rear sight with 3 folding leaves out to 400 yds., and a tiny spirit level like those found on the best long range target rifles of an earlier era. The ramp front sight has a very thin blade with a tiny round porcelain dot affixed to the rear, and a larger flip-up twilight bead. In addition, there is a folding, windage and elevation adjustable, peep sight located just behind the rear tang of the action that, when brought into play, brings rear sight, front sight, and target all into near perfect focus at the same time! Now, for most of us old-timers who grew up using open sights, that over-simplified explanation will be superfluous, however, I have been around enough to realize there are lots of younger folks hunting out there who have never had to depend on anything other than scopes. Well, enough of that …. the point I want to make is that this little rifle has the best configuration of open sights I have had the pleasure of shooting in recent memory, perhaps ever, and, assuming proper lighting conditions, I would not hesitate to use it on certain types of game out to 200 yards. The silky smooth action is fitted with a “Fraser Patent” trigger group which incorporates an ingenious and mechanically rather simple intercepting safety sear which I have never before seen on a bolt action rifle. Barrel “take-down” is accomplished by removing the large knurled set screw in the left side of the action, then unscrewing the barrel from the action. Highly figured stock, with game log carved into the right side, records 36 species of game, 100 animals, harvested with this rifle between 1900 and 1909 in Southern Africa, Sudan Somali Land, British East Africa Kenya Colony, and perhaps India (Bear). “Kongoni”, is Swahili for Wildebeest/Coke’s Hartebeest … African species of grassland antelope … 17 taken. Also note the number of Hippo, Lion, and Leopard taken! This magnificent little rifle has been lovingly preserved for over a century (complete provenance provided by my dear friend, Guy Bignell of Griffin and Howe, accompanies the gun) and comes complete in it’s original case with trade label, original sling, and all original accessories. In addition there are modern reloading dies with all the instructions including 40 loaded rounds and about 100 rounds of new brass. At our behest, Mike Ehinger worked up the loads for the rifle. Please note the attached targets! Overall a deadly accurate, completely genuine, piece of African history and rather poignant reminder of days that will never be again. The ideal gift for some very special and dedicated young hunter who desires to carry on the traditions of that bygone era. |
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looks like a romania mannlicher https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/militaria/carcano-1914-steyer--465954 |
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I am not sure about this https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/carcano-8x57is--490252 its offered to be a 8x57IS if true it could be a so called irish Mannlicher 1904 action https://www.gunboards.com/threads/steyr-1904-mannlicher-irish-mannlicher.45346/page-2 iirc, they were made from parts on stock to be sold with surplus M 88 rifles in 1904 when the 8x57I was still the official german military cartridge, also change for the M 88 clip. could be that steyr sold this in austria were it was rebuild into a hunting rifle. |