| lancaster |
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| 26/01/10 02:16 AM |
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again a M 95 sporter in 8x56R with a Ziel $ from reichert/wien on suhl claw mount
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2614530&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c
have send a PM about the magazin, how it works and if its allway use the M 95 clip
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this is only a mannlicher by the ammunition, but a nice one
break action rifle's in 8x50R Mannlicher are not so common
http://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.de/katalog7.asp?id=56187&lang=DE
a P.Wernig/Ferlach single shot from 1905
the italien carcano is also a mannlicher
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2604337&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c
post war guild gun in 6,5x52, in all not the quality of a MS in 6,5x54 but a neat little stalking rifle
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I can't see how that M95 *could* be clip-fed, there doesn't look to be enough clearance room when the scope is mounted.
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Very interesting rifles. Thanks for sharing the pictures. The Carcano is a particularly interesting rifle. Very pleasing lines in the sporting version to my old eyes. I think the military version looks ugly . . .
| lancaster |
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again two M 95 sporter for the archive
a very uncommon take down rifle
and another example for an austrian sporting stutzen,
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Quote:Did you learn anything about the magazine? I suspect it contains an integral, non-removable clip.
again a M 95 sporter in 8x56R with a Ziel $ from reichert/wien on suhl claw mount
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2614530&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c
have send a PM about the magazin, how it works and if its allway use the M 95 clip
| lancaster |
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dont get any informations about the rifle and I think its the original Mannlicher clip loading magazin. the gunmaker would have close the opening under the magazin where the empty clip fall out if it wasn't needed anymore.
my guess is that you have to remove the scope for loading the clip here. this is easy and quick because most of the M 95 or M 88 sporting rifles have a claw mount. this one here looks like a contra claw mount but it works equal. 5 rounds are enough for most hunting situations and for driven hunts they have shoot over iron sights.
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I sure like that single shot, side hammer rifle. Elegant.
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Thanks. That is probably the case.
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I also have a Steyr with an acorn bolt knob. A little different than this one.
I had heared that this was sort of a trademark of an Austrian maker of whom I don't know the name.
I will post pictures soon.
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I dont think so, it was a common fashion and you will see it on to much different sporters. they cant be all from th same hand.
this is another one with the orignal bolt knob
| Huvius |
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Here are a couple pictures of my 8X50 Steyr. It is an 1892 or '93 action I think. Note the acorn bolt knob mentioned above.
The 8X50R ammunition has proven to be pretty elusive though.
| lancaster |
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great rifle , seems to be a Romania Mannlicher action in the 8x50R. the first sporter I see with this chamber but Austria rechamber captured mannlicher rifles from Romania for the 8x50R in WW 1. what for a clip use this one, the M 95 clip or the M93 clip?
btw, this is an M 95 Mannlicher sporting rifle in 6,5x53R so the reverse is also possible
please dont hesitate to show more pics from you rifle, also the complete view from left and right side. I am not against uncommon Mannlicher!
The 8x50R is very hard to get but with the new Prvi 8x56R Brass there is an superp basic case for handloading. Hirtenberger had loaded this cartridge around 1990 for some years with the ABC bullet. this ammo is now also collector stuff in europe. only Waffen Dorfner in Vienna is loading this cartridge to my knowledge with an 14,2 gramm softpoint. the ammo is CIP proofed but may not reach your side of the pond.
http://www.waffen-dorfner.at/buechsen.html
I think that the original 15,6 gramm bullet at 620 m/sec must be a great killer up to 150 meter.
see on the Waffen Dorfner website that they have an M 95 long rifle "Wehrmanngewehr" for the 8x46R Frohn, single shot of course. interesting for the collector of such Wehrmannrifle's.
http://www.waffen-dorfner.at/waffen.html
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The old Austro-Hungarian 8x50R Mannlicher M1893 is still made, though under the name .315 IOF by the Indian Ordnance Factories.
See:
http://ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/ammunition/sc/14.htm
It was for many years the only centerfire sporting rifle cartridge made in that country, but it's history there goes back to before WW1: When the British banned the civilian use of the .303 military cartridge in their colony, BSA started to chamber Lee-Speed sporters for the non-interchangeable "foreign" Austrian round. The IOF at Ishapore still makes quite crude "sporters" chambered for the .315 IOF,
http://ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/5.htm
while the cartridges are made at their (in-)famous ammunition factory at Dum-Dum near Calcutta.
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Here are two vintage, pre-WW1, photos of the use of a straight-pull M95 Mannlicher sporter. From the book "Karpathenhirsche" = Carpathian Stags by August von Spiess, Austro-Hungarian, later Romanian officer. The author is shown with two of his magnificent stags and his sporter. According to his writings, he used such an 8mm Mannlicher sporter as early as 1896.
| lancaster |
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| 21/06/11 05:29 AM |
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very nice hunting rifle with a long barrel, most we see today are made in the hard years after the world wars from short stutzen.
do you think its the same rifle Kudue?
today a classic hunter von Spiess was ahead of its time with a nitro repeaeting rifle in 1896. this was a time when also european army's had have single shot blackpowder rifles and many hunters in Siebenbürgen had use the muzzle loader i suspect. he and his contemporaries were very quick to accept things like nitro powder, flashlights, cars. and I think they had also use mobil phones and red dot sight's, maybe silencer if available. not sure about night vision scope and black look alike assault rifles.
the OEWG in Steyr was also very quick to sell the latest military rifle in production to civilians. when the Walsrode Gunpowder factory start to develop an own Nitro powder in 1888 the only small bore rifle they could get for test it was the M 86 Kropatschek rifle from Steyr.
Huvius, dont forget to show more pics from your rifle! could it be that it was made for the indian market?
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| 21/06/11 11:03 AM |
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Here's one I found a while back , in my seach for a 92 to 95 standard bolt sporter .
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| 21/06/11 01:39 PM |
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beautiful Peterlongo rifle! in 8x50R???
must give it a scope again
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Sorry , Lancaster , I don't own it , only came across it in my search for the other type M95 sporter , if it had been that type I would have bought it & added a horn forend tip to make the forend look better , the rest of the stock is a beauty !
And yes it was in 8X50R.
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another M95 sporting rifle http://www.technika.nu/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=132
the owner is looking for a scope with Wiener Schnäppermontage and you see that this rifle also was scoped with this mount. I will send him a mail that this will be hopeless and he will better contact a good gunmaker to made new parts.
here is a Schnäppermontage on a Schönauer Modell 1908
| 9.3x57 |
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Marvelous!!
I'm sure all the old owners of these fine rifles could tell many fascinating stories!!
Thanks so much for posting!
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Wonderful thread. What is it about these old Mannlichers that is so fascinating? Those Carpathian stags are simply huge. Had no idea such game existed.
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there is a classic literature from german-austrian and hungarian hunters about the game of the carpatian mountains that may be unknown to the english speaking community because no translation exist till now.
in the name of our patron staint hubertus is the red deer the single most important game in the central european hunting culture and a lot of hunters have and do everything for a real big stag.
the magnificent trophy's from the carpatian moutains are simply legendary and get the same attention like elephants, lions and grizzly bears.
believe it or not
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he and his contemporaries were very quick to accept things like nitro powder, flashlights, cars. and I think they had also use mobil phones and red dot sight's, maybe silencer if available. not sure about night vision scope and black look alike assault rifles.
That is an interesting comment.
I think many of us think of "professional" hunters in some sentimental way, using old "classic" equipment because it is "always better". This sort of applies to the white African professional and the culture of hunting that has grown there {doubles and whatnot}.
Throughout Europe hunters were pretty fast to gravitate to scopes and bolt rifles, actually, long before hunters in the USA. Even in my lifetime I remember the endless arguments about whether scopes were better or worse for deer hunting...arguments that have pretty much evaporated.
And in the USA, going to the old buffalo hunters, they used much "modern" equipment {for the day} and one little-known period of hunting history I am researching now that spanned some 40-50 years in the Western USA was the period of US Federal government large predator control operations.
Scopes and small-bore high velocity rifles were quickly adopted, with the Savage 99 in .22 HP, .250 Sav, and a bit later .220 Swift and .270 Winchester used by a number of those involved in that very difficult work. At a similar time period your Eastern and Central European hunters saw the advantages of these scoped bolt guns. Different quarry, but similar observations; the advantages of "small-bore" {compared to older black powder rounds}, scoped bolt rifles cannot be ignored.
These 95's, and the others of the similar era you've posted really highlight the diversity in makes and models of stocks, scopes and mounts especially. Absolutely fascinating!!!
| lancaster |
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igorrrock send me a mail that he have a wiener schnäppermontage front feet for selling. its an interesting part that may not fit but with a little luck can be used from a competent gunsmith. my own gunsmith have uses old claw mount parts and fit it into each other, its possible sometimes.
its with Durchblick - look through
the Mannlicher 95 is allmost forgotten now but he played a role in the KuK empire before the outbreak of WW 1. we have seen now some example's that were made - no doubt - for gentleman in this days. just after the turn of the century he had got very serious competition from the Mauser 98 and the Mannlicher Schönauer. after the first and again after the second world war many military rifles ended in the hands of hunter who let them sporterize. this may have end around 1965 but in this time the austrian gunmaker was on the same level of quality like before the first WW.
I will continue to search about this sporting rifle action. we do not know enough about it anymore so I will collect the pieces. where, when not on nitroexpress is the right place?
"Throughout Europe hunters were pretty fast to gravitate to scopes and bolt rifles, actually, long before hunters in the USA. Even in my lifetime I remember the endless arguments about whether scopes were better or worse for deer hunting...arguments that have pretty much evaporated.
And in the USA, going to the old buffalo hunters, they used much "modern" equipment {for the day} and one little-known period of hunting history I am researching now that spanned some 40-50 years in the Western USA was the period of US Federal government large predator control operations.
Scopes and small-bore high velocity rifles were quickly adopted, with the Savage 99 in .22 HP, .250 Sav, and a bit later .220 Swift and .270 Winchester used by a number of those involved in that very difficult work. At a similar time period your Eastern and Central European hunters saw the advantages of these scoped bolt guns. Different quarry, but similar observations; the advantages of "small-bore" {compared to older black powder rounds}, scoped bolt rifles cannot be ignored.
These 95's, and the others of the similar era you've posted really highlight the diversity in makes and models of stocks, scopes and mounts especially. Absolutely fascinating!!! "
the use of bolt action rifles was only the european equivalent to the american lever action rifle. if you go to shotguns you will find that the pump action repeating shotgun never realy come to europe. and you have also today hunts on small game where they dont like to see automatic shotguns not to talk about the "gangsta" pumpgun.
long times after the last war a good scope was very expensive. thats maybe a part of the problem.
the idea that the use of a scope was not sportsman like is an old story, same thing was saying about bolt action repeater.
please dont believe that the grass is greener on the other side. they hade only other problems but it was not trouble free.
| 9.3x57 |
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lancaster;
these are really great threads.
The scope mounts on these guns are so unique. I'd love to see how they were made, tooling, machinery setup, etc.
Some years ago the 95 carbines were available here for dirt cheap. I had other projects going and never bought one but some friends did and really enjoy them. Bullets are made using the Lee drawing die and .338 bullets which are common.
Some of the guns imported here were German conversions to 7.92x57.
Your thread has me wondering yet again about a 95.................
Keep posting your findings!
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| 02/08/11 04:29 AM |
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I am not the only one thinking abbout a sporter project
here is such a thing in a auction
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3412441
a M 95 action with a new 6,5mm barrel blank without a chamber. I wonder what the plan was for this project? a 6,5x53R Finnish would be work or some kind of a special 6,5mm wildcat cartridge.
you may imagine that there is a reason for my passion about the M 95 action.
my own and till now secret sporting rifle project
trying the first time if the cartridge fit into the action
yes, its the 10,75x52R Springer
and it work in the magazin without problems
I am waiting for a custom die set from CH4D. when it arrive I will make dummy rounds from 8x56R brass and order a chamber reamer for the big springer.
an old stutzen is in the hands of my gunmaker and will get a new barrel in 10,75mm. the plan is to proof the rifle for the 350 grains bullet at 610m/sec. this was an old DWM load for the 10,75x68 to hunt european game. I have use the time and did a little work on the original military stock. this were first pics in spring when I hade an old sporter stock. this one like many other also was made from the miltary stock before. I change the pistol grip like it was done on the old stock. when the stock get a checkering this will be nearly invisible.
why? because of curiosity
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| 02/08/11 10:38 AM |
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lancaster...you've been holding out on us!!
Please by all means keep us posted step by step!
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again M 95 sporting rifles
here a sporterized Stutzen, its the stock you see in my pics above. this original military stock was trimmed to much so it became unstable and have got cracks
this is another sporter with a then new made full stock, double trigger and schäppermontage
unfortunately lost the scope over the times
notice the spring to catch the clip
| DarylS |
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I had a M95 that I pulled the barrel off and put on a .375 barrel, chambered for the .350 Rem Mag case necked up to .375 for a sporter.
I turned the belts off the cases as I'd cut the chamber with the top 2.0" of a .300 Win. Mag reamer and .375 neck throater. Ballistics were not too shabby - 270gr. at 2,150, about the same as the original belted .375. The barrel was only 19".
I kept the pressure fairly low and didn't push it. Broke the extractor one day, lost interest while trying to find another extractor (pre-internet) and tossed the action.
I still have the brass though, I think, along with the barrel - It would put 2-300's, 2-270's and 2-285 GS into a 2" group at 100 meters.
| lancaster |
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interesting story, would like to see the brass or a loaded round if you find one.
I suspect the cartridge work in the original clip???
when my mannlicher will be ready someday - I am still waiting for the die set from ch4d to make a chamber reamber for this - it will be the maximum for the M 95 action in my opinion
350 grains softpoint at 2000 feet per sec is not bad
| Igorrock |
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| 17/08/11 07:33 AM |
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Lancaster, do you have any fact of 10,75x63 Mauser ? It sounds quite interesting when I found it from Cartridges of the World...
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interesting story, would like to see the brass or a loaded round if you find one.
I suspect the cartridge work in the original clip???
when my mannlicher will be ready someday - I am still waiting for the die set from ch4d to make a chamber reamber for this - it will be the maximum for the M 95 action in my opinion
350 grains softpoint at 2000 feet per sec is not bad
That's good speed with that weight, that's for sure. this one will do it as well, however a different bolt actioned rifle might be needed.
On the left is the 'new' .375x2"R w/300gr.Hornady with a 9.3x57 w/293gr.TUG on the right side. With the belt turned off the base is now .500" with the rim at .532". I used my .375 Styer seater die to seat the bullet. All the brass I found (about 100), was primed, but not loaded.
As to functioning in the mag. - I don't know - I didn't test them, although I had a 2 boxs of factory 8x56R with 4 clips - wonder why? Probably as usual when in load testing mode at the range, I single load. Broke the extractor before I got around to completing my tests- or going any further. It's unfortunate - good round. If I'd used the magazine, the extractor might not have broken -
| lancaster |
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Lancaster, do you have any fact of 10,75x63 Mauser ? It sounds quite interesting when I found it from Cartridges of the World...
maybe the only living person with real facts about the 10,75x63 is kuduae
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=153734&an=0&page=2#Post153734
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| 19/08/11 11:25 PM |
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Thank ! I have just forgotten this topic...
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Here is an pic of an sporter, think made betwen 1920-1930?
| lancaster |
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thanks chapman, I looking forward for the pics of your sporter restauration
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Thats a nice old photo. He must be proud sitting there with his rifle! //S
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This is an hunting stutzen with M95 system i am just restoring, so excuse the bad pics.
Its in 7x57 R, proofed in Ferlach 1937. Stock is an miltary type with closed holes, two piece with new forend, the checkpiece (?) is set on, metall buttstock. Scope is an Reichert/Wien 3x.
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chapmen;
Can you give a little bit more info on the photo of the fellow with the 95? Where was it taken?
Interesting rear sight base. At first I thought it was a Battue sight, then saw the blade. Drückjagdvisier of some sort?
This thread is one of the most fascinating of all. Very interesting.
A peek into a bygone age.
| lancaster |
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its the second M 95 in 7x57R I heard off now. good for you that it allways have the original scope.
did the cartridge fits realy strong and tight in the clip?
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I know nothing about the pic, bought on ebay without any more infos possible.
The rifle has an very fine rear sight , the rear scope base has nothing to do with the sighting.
7x57R fitting very fine in the clips i have.
Have to make the finish , the barrel is like new----excited on the first shoots on the range....
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chapmen, I was referring to the rear sight on the old pictured rifle. The fellow looks Hungarian, maybe? Slovenian? Not sure. Fascinating pic tho.
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I think this can becoming the ultimate Mannlicher M 95 sporting rifle thread,something you will not find in the wild desert's of the world web. will collect all pics about this theme here from the past and also in what will show up in the future.
declare this thread as an ever-growing one now
first start with mounts
problem with all clip loading rifle's is the clip if it comes to scope's
for the military only a scope mount allowing the load of the clip was acceptable
having the scope on the side of the rifle was not uncommon in older times.
I saved the pic of this M 95 scope mount set was sold on ebay once, iirc. dont know if this was an original or a repro mount and I am not aware that anyone is making this scope mount now.
here are pics from a sporting rifle looking like the scope is also located on the side
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most of the other rifles here have the Wiener Schnäppermontage with the common rear feet like chapmans rifle have or the rear feet seems to be made special for Mannlicher Schönauer rifles like this one:
and this
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=122529&an=0&page=3#Post122529
M 95 in 6,5x53R from J.Just in Ferlach with the scope on a Suhler Einhakmontage
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=154615&an=0&page=2#Post154615
you have to remove the scope for loading the clip into the magazin, easy for stalking the roe buck.
M 95 sporter with "express sight's"
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=103343&an=0&page=5#Post103343
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Excellent posts as always.
Is there any simple method for permanently mounting a clip inside the magazine and then loading the clip one round at a time? Can it even be done? Constant removal of the scope for loading seems trouble waiting to happen.
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you must understand that in older times many hunters were more than suspicious about scopes seeing them as not sportsman like. and scopes were very expensive for the average hunter and they dont use them permanently but having them in a leather box hanging on the side. the scope was mounted when they shot on longer distance. the old scope mounts are very expensive to made today but thats the price you pay for the quality. when a good craftsman do it you can remove the scope many, many times and set it on again and it works.
I dont know any method for a clip- less use of the common M 95. it can be done like it was made with modernized M 88 military rifles using the mauser stripper clip.
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This is a great thread. Thanks Lancaster and all the other members adding to it. And a very useful thread for projects.
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its interesting to note how much Kynoch ammunition in 8x50R come to surface now. it seems that Kynoch was the only maker of sporting ammuntion in this caliber after WW 2 for a long time. I wonder when they start to making this again and what the main market was. found it in a german list from 1972 as available so there must have been some stock after the end of Kynoch.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3456902
for other 8x50r cartridges:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=174842&an=0&page=0#Post174842
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again two post war (8x56R caliber) conversions
with bad pic
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3400395
and with good pics
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3464777
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Lanc!
That acorn-bolted one is a peach.
I especially like the tastefull reshaping of the military stock. Can barely see the plugged swivel hole in the wrist.
I want one.
Been trolling a bit around here to see if I might land one.
I'm certain if a good dry stock could be obtained, proper bedding using Acraglas gel would stiffen it up fully sufficiently enough to handle quite a bit of rugged use and shooting. That is, in spite of being dramatically thinned and reshaped.
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| 03/09/11 12:31 AM |
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if you wait a little bit my 10,75x52R SPRINGER REAMER WILL BE AT HAND
and every .423 barrel blank will work
we will see, if I have time next friday will inspect the Mosin action+barrel in 9,3x53R coming back from the proof house. talk with the gunmaker then about making the rifle ready in the white and then ... I will have the brain free again for future projects.
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| 21/09/11 04:22 AM |
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I have safe pics from an original military scope mount for a M 95 but forget where it was, for educational use
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| 12/11/11 07:14 PM |
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how not to do
the stock in special could be useful in the coming winter time once but for a bubba job not bad
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3553059
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| 29/11/11 06:18 PM |
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this is maybe an interesting find for someone with an mannlicher that lost the scope sometimes
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3569037
a Karl Kahles Wien Mignon 4x" engraved on the tube "Joh. Springer Erben, Wien"
it may not fit but for a good craftsman it would be possible to rework it.
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| 05/12/11 12:07 AM |
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from bad to good
very nice made "Mannlicher "stock M 95 in 8x50R
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3599843
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| 05/12/11 01:03 AM |
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I like this one, too, lancaster.
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Great to see this thread on the M95 sporters. When I first saw it today I thought I would post some photos of mine and ask some questions. A little further in I realized I wouldn't have to post the photos since they were already there
. Thank you Lancaster for posting the pics of the sporter with the express sights and the hex receiver ring. I haven't found much information on the M95s, does anyone have an opinion on whether mine is an original sporter or a conversion? If I remember correctly it has a proof mark or factory stamp on the underside of the hex receiver ring that made me think it was an original sporter, but I haven't seen another like it. It is in 8x50R.I thought there was so little interest in these actions I almost considered putting QD rings and a scout scope on it if it could be done with little alteration. That's a very slick action on that little carbine.
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Thank you Lancaster for posting the pics of the sporter with the express sights and the hex receiver ring. I haven't found much information on the M95s, does anyone have an opinion on whether mine is an original sporter or a conversion? If I remember correctly it has a proof mark or factory stamp on the underside of the hex receiver ring that made me think it was an original sporter, but I haven't seen another like it. It is in 8x50R.
I thought there was so little interest in these actions I almost considered putting QD rings and a scout scope on it if it could be done with little alteration. That's a very slick action on that little carbine.
your obidient servant
the stock looks to me like a sporterized carbine stock, also the barrel and rear sight are in the military style. the gunmaker filed the rear sight down before making an express sight from this. the hex receiver is unique to me. I have absolutly no clue about this.
the general idea of this post is to collect so many informations about M 95 sporter as possible. they were existing before 1914 but I dont know if the OEWG/Steyr made commercial hunting rifles or if it was done only from gunmaker in austria.
what I know about Steyr is that they did any business and sold also actions to everyone. if you compare the pics you will notice that most rifles are spoterized carbines. the years from 1919 up to 1960 are possible for any of this.
this is another unique austrian sporter, a Fruhwirth carbine in 11,15x36R - similar to 44/40 blackpowder loads
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| 30/12/11 12:08 PM |
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Thanks for the info, Lancaster. I expect you're right on the cut down stock and conversion. I pulled it out of the back of the safe and took another look at it. When comparing it to the others in this thread it does look like the rear sight was filed down and the express sights added. If someone was doing a sporter from scratch I'm sure they wouldn't have used the nasty looking front sight either. It is the original military sight, isn't it?
The stock has a cheek piece that was added and it also has a dowel under the checkering plugging a through hole in the wrist. Someone probably just took a file to the action to give it the hexagon shape. I wonder what that would have done to the action strength?
Too bad it wasn't a full length stock, I really like the looks of those. Removing the barrel band and hand guard wood, shortening the forend wood and adding a horn or ebony tip would go a long way to improving the looks of this one. Adding a barrel band swivel and replacing the front sight with a nice ramp would be even better.
Thanks again for posting the pictures. The only way I'll learn more about my vintage firearms is from the experts such as yourself.
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| 30/12/11 01:23 PM |
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Lancaster-
That Fruhwirth carbine is really neat, and the cartridge sounds pretty cool too. Is that gun for sale somewhere?
Cheers
Tinker
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it was on egun last week and sold for 250 euro but the seller was only willing to ship inside of austria.
was one of the first bolt actions with a tubular magazin
to my knowledge the same case like for the werndl carbine and for the big gasser revolver.Roth had the 11,2x36R in the 1927 list under hunting and target cartridges but its only suitable for roe deer or your whitetail deer.
1.some years ago I made a dummy from 7,62x54R Lapua brass
2. the new Prvi 8x56R brass would be right, you see that the shoulder starts at 36 mm
3. 10,75x52R Springer made from Prvi brass
4. 8x50R Mannlicher made from Prvi brass by running it in a 9,3x53R Fin. die and a 8x50R Lebel die, than loaded with the Lebel die set
5. 8x50R Mannlicher from Kynoch
6.8x50R Lebel
7.9,3x53R Fin.
I am probable ending with a 8x50R barrel next year and because nothing will be waisted it could become a 12 ga barrel insert so looking for fodder.
god to see it could be loaded without problems.
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dont know what the story behind this is http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3684628
new 63cm long barrel in 7,62x54R maybe because factory sporting ammunition is available. it looks not bad at all but I am not a fan of stocks with bayrische backe. wonder why there is no new proof, maybe a project gun the custumer was dying before it was ready.
must trying to move my projects, must trying to move my project, must...
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| 03/10/12 03:54 AM |
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very nice Stutzen in 8x50R
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4023861
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| 03/10/12 11:12 PM |
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Does anyone know of a source for double-set triggers for the M95? This thread is whetting my appetite for a M95, maybe in 7x57R.
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| 06/10/12 11:27 PM |
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I think this were common parts in the white fittet into the mannlicher by hands of a the gunmaker like he did with mauser sporters
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Quote:That's also the nicest M95 sporter that I have seen. Concerning the double set trigger: the set trigger mechanism is readily available from Brownells at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, the kick-off lever (this replaces the trigger lever) is not available and must be fabricated. Does anyone have a photo of the kick-off by itself that I could use as a pattern?Quote:
the mannlicher sold for 581 euro what is the highest price I have seen for such a rifle
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| 15/11/12 05:50 AM |
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pic of a heavy engreaved M 95 done in Ferlach some years ago, found it on my hardware again and safe before its lost
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| 19/11/12 04:59 AM |
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found the rifle again, for sale in austria
http://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/195255
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| 17/12/12 10:22 PM |
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must be the grandmother of all Mannlicher hunting rifles
a M 1888, 59 cm long barrel in 11,15x58R Werndl
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| 03/01/13 10:38 PM |
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single shot rifle in 8x50R
but otherwise very nice
http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...2095&o=neu#
| Caprivi |
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| 21/02/13 02:08 PM |
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Maybe a Donor action for a project.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=330264962
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| 21/02/13 05:27 PM |
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they trying to work with the original stock but it did not happen in the end. we will safe the pics as a warning for others:
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| 22/02/13 02:34 AM |
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Stock is indeed near comical. Similar to my wood work ....:):):)
The action and double set triggers may be salvageable for a project for someone
| lancaster |
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| 20/03/13 06:26 AM |
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again a high quality sporter for sale in the united states. wonder about the caliber 7x57 is probably wrong, maybe the 7x57R!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=333002833
| lancaster |
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| 20/03/13 06:53 AM |
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a gun dealer Leopold Oppenauer in Ried/Austria still exist
http://www.123pages.at/b/leopold-oppenauer-ried-im-innkreis
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| 19/05/13 07:36 PM |
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singel shot rifle in 8x50R made between the war's
http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...%2095&o=neu
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| 23/05/13 04:50 AM |
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"new" made sporter with a left hand action in 8x56R, comes with the original right hand bolt
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/207263
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| 25/05/13 11:36 PM |
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8x50R
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&sale_id=90785
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| 16/06/13 11:31 PM |
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8x50R for sale in austria
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4460119
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| 16/06/13 11:56 PM |
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I had missed your May 26th post. Very interesting.
That is about my favorite stock layout. I am not sure which "house style" to attribute it to, but the long-ish hand with the cap at that angle is Fraser/Jeffery looking. The finial at the nose of the comb as well. The forestock detailing and length as to the overall thinking of a British stocking.........
A friend has a Jeffery takedown on a M98 that is a near ringer for this. I missed a "no named" M98 that, again, was stocked very similar.
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| 18/06/13 06:58 AM |
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Here is someting special for lancaster
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http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4179080
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| 21/06/13 12:59 AM |
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thank you very much igorrock but I fear its a little bit to special for my taste
| lancaster |
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| 27/07/13 06:05 PM |
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M 95 in 8x50R with double set trigger and Kahles Minox 4x on Wiener Schnäppermontage
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/211333
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| 15/09/13 09:35 PM |
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this looks post ww 2 to me
very slim stutzen stock and the scope on claw mount
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| 21/09/13 12:36 PM |
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This is not a sporter but anyways very rare "bird":
http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/view_lot_info.asp?lot=3147-346
"UNIQUE STEYR 8MM M87/88 MANNLICHER-SCHOENAUER RIFLE. SN 1. Cal. 8.15 mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer Experimental. An exceptionally nice, unique prototype M87/88 Mannlicher-Schoenauer straight-pull rotary magazine rifle made by Steyr, SN 1. Earliest pattern single lug Mannlicher straight-pull bolt system with rotating bolt head cocks on closing and is in the white as is the trigger, with the balance of the weapon having high polish blue. The unusually large diameter bolt handle has an ivory button inset at the rear. Undented magazine first prototype pattern of the famous Schoenauer rotary magazine with spring-loaded follower. The caliber is 8.15 mm, but the cartridge is an unknown rimless type with the same small diameter as the 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer case body. Complicated flip-up rear sight is graduated to 2500 meters and proofed with a single "K". Beautiful prototype would be the centerpiece of any early Austrian weapons collection. PROVENANCE: Collection of Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess. CONDITION: Excellent. Bore very good to excellent, strong rifling grooves. Two-piece stock shows numerous light scratches, dings & dents, and previous refinishing. 4-53173 DW66 (8,000-12,000)"
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| 24/09/13 08:05 PM |
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Finnish gunmakers imported some Steyr m95 military surplus actions after the war and coverted them for finnish 7x53r, 8,2x53r and 9,3x53r calibers.
So far i have seen only one m95 in 7x53r for sale and one 9,3x53r with older (m88?) Steyr action.
Unfortunately i have no photos to share.
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| 26/09/13 04:51 AM |
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"So far i have seen only one m95 in 7x53r for sale and one 9,3x53r with older (m88?) Steyr action.
Unfortunately i have no photos to share. "
did you mean this unique rifle?
imho, this was one of the rumanian Mannlicher 93 that was captured by austro-hungarian troops in WW 1 and then changed by Steyr from 6,5x53R to 8x50R. if you compare the cartridges and complete different en bloc clips you still believe that only the steyr factory alone was capable to do this work. this rifle found the way after the war to finnland where it was converted to 9,3x53R again years later.
your idea with the M 88 was not bad because the M 93 was a modified Mannlicher M 92 ( the later M 95 Dutch rifle)and this M 92 was developt direct from the M 88. probably because Steyr had the machinery from making M 88 and was looking for something that can be made on this after the production ends.
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| 26/09/13 03:24 PM |
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No i didn't. It was a straight-pull action and looked much like this:
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| 27/09/13 01:35 AM |
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what you showing here is a Mannlicher M 88-90, the 8mm small bore conversion of the original M 86 in 11,15x58R. because the 8x50R and the 9,3x53R having a very similar rim and base diameter there is no problem for a competent gunmaker.
this old M 86 Stutzen in 11,15x58R was sold by Widforss in Stockholm
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| 30/09/13 03:10 AM |
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"Mannlicher m 95, Steyr" in caliber 6,3x53r finnish:
http://www.pyssypuoti.fi/kauppa/product_details.php?p=1279
I think VALMET was the factory behind these conversions.
| Igorrock |
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| 30/09/13 02:08 PM |
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It seems that "Suomen metsästysmuseo" (The Hunting Museum of Finland) has many customized M95 Mannlicher in their collection. There seems to be even one small caliber shotgun.
You could find them with that search -machine:
https://www.finna.fi/
| lancaster |
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| 04/07/14 10:20 PM |
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Stutzen in 8x50R, Georg Gabriel Breslau - I think it was the retailer
the rifle have a very strong austrian smell, absolutely nice
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?364389-need-help!-What-exactly-do-I-have-here
| lancaster |
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| 25/10/14 07:30 PM |
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interesting pic showing an austrian sniper in the great war with a M 95 sporting rifle
anyone an idea what kind of scope this is?
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| 23/11/14 01:41 PM |
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I went to see a old gunsmith & see what he had for sale, I bought a few nice rifles & old hand guns .
Thought I had found a old English Steyr 95 Sporter (was after 92-95 Dutch type), but now see it is some thing else put together by B Woodward & Sons Birmingham, I may just rob the sights off it for one of my Lee Speeds if it is not of much value, any one know much about this model, I don't know the caliber, but says Nitro Proof on the side ?
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I may just rob the sights off it for one of my Lee Speeds if it is not of much value, any one know much about this model, I don't know the caliber, but says Nitro Proof on the side ?
noooo, you would not dare to do this?
from here I say its a Mannlicher 88 in 8x50R or .315 india and thats what this rifle was build for I suspect.
need the common clip for 8x50R
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I may just rob the sights off it for one of my Lee Speeds if it is not of much value, any one know much about this model, I don't know the caliber, but says Nitro Proof on the side ?
noooo, you would not dare to do this?
from here I say its a Mannlicher 88 in 8x50R or .315 india and thats what this rifle was build for I suspect.
need the common clip for 8x50R
Yeah, don't do that please!
You don't see very many sporters on the straight pull action (that is what it is, right?)
Give it a good scrub and see how it performs. Looks quite sleek to me and may be a joy to shoot.
| lancaster |
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| 23/11/14 02:24 PM |
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straigth pull
its the forerunner of the M 95
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbUYf5FY3k
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| 23/11/14 09:30 PM |
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anyone an idea what kind of scope this is?
Is it possible to get it in higher resolution?
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| 23/11/14 10:36 PM |
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sorry no but a hunting rifle no doubt
| chapmen |
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| 23/11/14 10:47 PM |
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Shure an hunting rifle.
The scope looks for me like an Hensoldt Solar I or III.
| kuduae |
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| 23/11/14 10:52 PM |
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anyone an idea what kind of scope this is?
Pre-WW1 3 1/2 x Goerz "PERNOX" prismatic scope. Shown in the 1912 Westley - Richards catalog.
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| 23/11/14 10:56 PM |
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After doing some work on the pic- yes, it is an Pernox / Goerz.
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| 29/12/14 04:31 PM |
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post war stutzen in 8x56R
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5225164
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| 03/01/15 06:34 AM |
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thats a mystery
a M 95 proofed in Ferlach in 1919, caliber is 11,4mm 525mm long barrel http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...r.html?offset=1
sold for 175 euro in the last auction - wish I had sen this before
a 1872 Früwirth carbine in 11,2x36R, 560 mm long barrel
http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...r.html?offset=1
also sold for cheap 125 euro
what happen in this auction?
| lancaster |
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| 29/06/15 01:39 AM |
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7x57R with Kahles H/4x60 on snapper mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5506777
another 7x57R
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=265416&an=0&page=0#Post265416
two rifles, pics comes from Slovakia
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| 30/06/15 01:50 AM |
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After doing some work on the pic- yes, it is an Pernox / Goerz.
I would say the distance shown between the end of the prism case and the edge of the adjustment knob to too long for this scope to be a Goerz Pernox 3.5x. I believe it must be an earlier type of Pernox or a Hensoldt Solar of some type.
Obviously a sporting rifle. Did the Austro-Hungarians requisition scoped sporting rifles as was done in Germany?
The mounts look terribly flimsy and very high, even for that time.
| lancaster |
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http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?...p;product=r3294
Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Very fine circa 1900 custom carbine. Beautifully game scene engraved. Full length rib with quarter rib. Claw mount Zeiss scope. Bolt handle finishes with an acorn knob. Gun has adjustable set triggers. Beautiful pre-war custom sporter.
http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?...p;product=r3293
Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Fine pre-war custom sporter with adjustable set trigger & Mannlicher stock. Excellent quality pre-war workmanship.
| lancaster |
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8x50R pre war rifle
http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukti...teyr.html?img=1
another 8x50R build with a Budapest made rifle, scope on a snap mount
http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukti...pest.html?img=1
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| 18/08/15 08:24 PM |
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8x50R
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/123719-8x50r-mannlicher/
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| 30/12/15 05:45 PM |
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8x50R proofed in Ferlach 1954 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5730256
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| 29/05/16 03:24 PM |
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8x50R http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5978380
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| 08/06/16 07:01 AM |
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I guess I'll add one to the mix. I picked this up recently out of curiosity more than anything. It appealed to me due mainly to the appearance of European handiwork. The seller's pictures unfortunately did not show the spliced in piece of walnut in the butt portion of the stock. It was however, cheap. I did a chamber cast today and determined that it is more than likely 8x50R. As PPU makes softpoint ammunition in 8x56R, I had hoped it was chambered in that caliber, but I was fairly certain prior to the chamber cast that it would most likely be 8x50R. Upon disassembly, it looks as though it was once fitted with double set triggers, but sadly they are now gone and replaced with a military single trigger. The bore is good+ but I have yet to run any solvent through it - just a quick brush and swab.
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After doing some work on the pic- yes, it is an Pernox / Goerz.
I would say the distance shown between the end of the prism case and the edge of the adjustment knob to too long for this scope to be a Goerz Pernox 3.5x. I believe it must be an earlier type of Pernox or a Hensoldt Solar of some type.
Obviously a sporting rifle. Did the Austro-Hungarians requisition scoped sporting rifles as was done in Germany?
The mounts look terribly flimsy and very high, even for that time.
The Austrians used big game hunters, mainly members of the royalty, and in their experience, they were much more fond of bringing their own rifles then the standard issued rifles, read the book the Sojurner for a novel about Austrian snipers in WW1.
| lancaster |
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| 12/06/16 03:54 PM |
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perfect Stutzen in 8x50R
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/282882
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| 10/07/16 02:42 PM |
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7x57R http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=285010&Main=284905#Post285010
| lancaster |
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and another stutzen
| lancaster |
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| 10/10/16 12:55 AM |
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Stutzen in 7x57R with Skoparette-Voigländer BS on claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6106631
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8x50R
the Kahles Hubertus 4x scope on snap mount having an unknown eagle mark
| lancaster |
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bear hunt, I think hungarian carpathians before 1914
https://forum.wildundhund.de/showthread.php?103336-Steyr-M95-Fangruppe/page10
notice the M 95 in the middle and on the right side
| lancaster |
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8x50R http://fotoalba.xchat.cz/photos.php?aid=2610250
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Lancaster you need to share the love and send some of those rifles over here lol😎 Seriously, you have great taste in rifles
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"Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Very fine circa 1900 custom carbine. Beautifully game scene engraved. Full length rib with quarter rib. Claw mount Zeiss scope. Bolt handle finishes with an acorn knob. Gun has adjustable set triggers. Beautiful pre-war custom sporter.
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"Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Fine pre-war custom sporter with adjustable set trigger & Mannlicher stock. Excellent quality pre-war workmanship."
http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?search=Uberti 1866 Yellowboy .45LC caliber rifle New&page=30&sort=alphadesc&category=&product=r3293
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Could one be converted to a 303 British?
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| 23/12/17 10:27 PM |
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"Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Very fine circa 1900 custom carbine. Beautifully game scene engraved. Full length rib with quarter rib. Claw mount Zeiss scope. Bolt handle finishes with an acorn knob. Gun has adjustable set triggers. Beautiful pre-war custom sporter.
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"Steyr 1895 Sporter 8 x 50R mm caliber rifle. Fine pre-war custom sporter with adjustable set trigger & Mannlicher stock. Excellent quality pre-war workmanship."
http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?search=Uberti 1866 Yellowboy .45LC caliber rifle New&page=30&sort=alphadesc&category=&product=r3293
| lancaster |
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| 23/12/17 11:01 PM |
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yes, I think so but with a claw mount this is not a problem and remember for hunting european game allmost ever one or two bullets will do it. if the hunt is over you take the scope of, put it into the leather box and push the button to remove the clip.
| lancaster |
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probably yes but only if you have a lee speed in .315 india aka 8x50R Mannlicher http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=309201&Main=305523#Post309201
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After admiring all of these sporters I finally purchased a 95 for a build. Would like some insight as to a nice stock? Where to get one? Will it be a strictly made from a blank? Also, Lancaster, you showed us your project 10.75, would this round be suitable for an ex military rifle?
| lancaster |
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"After admiring all of these sporters I finally purchased a 95 for a build. Would like some insight as to a nice stock? Where to get one? Will it be a strictly made from a blank? Also, Lancaster, you showed us your project 10.75, would this round be suitable for an ex military rifle? "
sorry dont see this before, was offline then
I believe its possible to use the 10,75x52R Springer's Erben in the M 95
my project m 95 is still alive but till now in the waiting line behind other projects
Stutzen in 8x50R
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7062178
| lancaster |
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| 02/09/18 04:34 AM |
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8x56R so post war made sporter https://www.gunbroker.com/item/775370379
basic sporter in 8,2x53R Mosin !!!
https://www.armiusate.it/ex-ordinanza-av...-italia_i313064
modern made 8x56R https://shop.strato.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/WB-3159-12
| Rothhammer1 |
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I think that last one would be aesthetically improved if some hard rubber, ebony, or horn plugs were to be fitted over those awful phillips head screws on its butt.
| JDL |
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| 03/09/18 12:43 AM |
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Definitive proof that sow's ears can be made into silk purses!
| lancaster |
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| 20/11/18 09:39 PM |
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a 5,6x57R
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7188196
| lancaster |
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| 23/10/19 06:32 AM |
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/steyr-m95-jagdlich--91792
another https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/steyr-ruckzuck--145376
| lancaster |
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| 02/11/19 05:38 AM |
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8x50R carbine sporter https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6462362/#
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THAT looks like one handy bear gun for these parts!!
| lancaster |
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long time since I had the last M 95, here a simple sporter in a hunting rifle stock
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=329
| lancaster |
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/ku...mgebaut--180231
| lancaster |
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/mannlicher-m-95-jagdlich--312243
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8x50R carbine sporter https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6462362/#
THAT looks like one handy bear gun for these parts!!
That's pretty slick alright!
What do you reckon they did Lancaster to the magazine/en-bloc, surely it not just a single shot?
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| 14/09/20 12:16 PM |
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/mannlicher-m-95-jagdlich--312243
A very ornate sporter, described as Ferlach and similar to this, was for sale recently in Nova Scotia for $3000. I can't post pictures, or I'd put them up.
| lancaster |
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| 14/11/20 04:32 PM |
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not clear if 8x505 or 8x56R
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/militaria/mannlicher-schoenauer-m95-stutzen--321729
| lancaster |
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/ku...r-8x50r--313646
| BungalowBill |
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| 09/04/21 01:28 AM |
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Here is my humble version, shaped from a beat-up M95/30 I bought at auction. It’s still in 8x56R and uses most of the original stock (I like having the military issue serial stamped into the stock under several coats of TruOil). I replaced the inadequate rear sight with a vintage Lyman receiver aperture sight. At less than 7 pounds it’s a very handy stalking rifle, and I’ve taken several feral hogs with it.
https://flic.kr/p/2ks65Au
https://flic.kr/p/2ks66nK
| lancaster |
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hello, thanks for showing your little project, first time I see a lyman sight on a M 95.
what is your ammo, PRVI softpoint or do you roll your own.
| BungalowBill |
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| 09/04/21 04:35 AM |
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Thanks for displaying the photos. I have found that the PRVI soft points work very well in my rifle — better than the 100 rounds I had custom-loaded (quite expensively) with the Hornady bullets. My bore seems a little big for Hornady but just right for PRVI.
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| 09/04/21 07:50 AM |
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Nice job there BungalowBill!
Certainly would make a great pig rifle indeed!
| lancaster |
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| 12/06/21 05:44 AM |
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https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7247995/#
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7247998/#
| Rothhammer1 |
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That last one looks like it worked for a living!
| lancaster |
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| 16/06/21 01:48 PM |
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the black discoloration on the stock is gunoil that was soaked up when the gun was standing for years very well oiled. its not good beside of the look and you have to remove it by laying the stock in thinner or get it out carefully with a good hairdryer. the heat makes the wood to "sweat out" the oil.
| lancaster |
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| 26/09/21 05:23 PM |
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7x57R https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14520494
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| 26/09/21 11:57 PM |
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lancaster: How is this rifle loaded? Is the scope offset or does one have to remove it to load the mag?
| lancaster |
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| 27/09/21 01:23 AM |
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the scope looks centered so you take the scope off what no problem with the claw mount, load the clip and set the scope on again. five rounds are enough for most hunting situation in europe.
the 7x57R is a little bit smaller than the 8x50R but seems to work with the clip.
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| 27/09/21 07:08 AM |
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Nice little rifle there Lancaster!
Would be a pain to load.
Silly question, being loaded with a en-block, can you top up or load singularly with it in place with the M95 rifle?
| DarylS |
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| 27/09/21 08:46 AM |
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Perhaps loading singly?
| lancaster |
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| 27/09/21 01:50 PM |
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loading singly is a pain, the rim have to be under the extractor beause it can break otherwise.
no, take the scope of and on is quick as possible with a claw mount. absolute no problem at all and five rounds are more than enough for any hunting situation here.
| lancaster |
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| 21/12/21 07:11 AM |
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8x50R http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/507817-nabizim-kulovnici-steyer-mannlicher-8x50r/
| JDL |
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| 25/12/21 08:50 AM |
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It's amazing how well those old rifles clean up.
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Quite nice.
| lancaster |
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| 06/03/22 05:28 PM |
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a 7x57R M 95 https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/steyr-m95-jagdausfuehrung--397671
| lancaster |
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| 10/03/22 01:39 AM |
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8x50R https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7541140/
| lancaster |
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| 13/11/22 08:16 PM |
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there is never enough space in the gun safe
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18917301
a Mannlicher 88 in 8x50R
| yamoon |
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| 14/11/22 04:40 AM |
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I have an Austrian Alex Henry patent in 8x50 Mannlicher, full stock with 2 wedges.
Mike
| lancaster |
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| 14/11/22 05:59 AM |
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pics will be nice
| yamoon |
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| 15/11/22 03:08 PM |
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Try as I might, I can not get any photos posted.
Mike
| lancaster |
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| 15/11/22 03:55 PM |
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I send you a pm with my e-mail, will post the pics for you
| lancaster |
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| 16/11/22 10:21 PM |
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here it is
I have seen such falling block rifles with an austrian accent in 8x50R before. the mountain hunter allways looking for a short rifle that don't interfere so much when climbing what allways can happen on a hunt in the alps. the engraving looks very british, maybe actually made in Liege for export to austria? what does the proofmarks telling for a story?
| kuduae |
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As I was asked about the purpose of the lever on the left side of the action before: It’s the handle of a screw that is part of the Austrian takedown system of these copies of the Alexander Henry 1869 falling block action. While Henry used a peculiar barrel detaching system, the Austrians detached the buttstock with lock and trigger mechanisms from the action body with breech block and barrel. You can see the parting line in the photos. To take the rifle down you remove that screw and unhook the two parts.
This rifle apparently passed the workshop of Franz Neuber in Wiener Neustadt who installed those Tambour safeties. About the Tambour safeties, see here:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=351696&an=0&page=2#Post351696
A Haenel model 1900 with another Neuber – Tambour safety may be seen here, page 10
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=230186&page=0&fpart=10&vc=1
| DarylS |
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My Martini Cadet action has a similar 'lever' screw/clamp that tightens the action of the take-down (unscrewing) feature it has.
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so this is the grip safety? but what is the little lever in front?
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so this is the grip safety. but what is the little lever in front?
I suppose it to be a locking lever for the Tambour grip safety. Similar purpose as the British “stalking safety”.
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My Martini Cadet action has a similar 'lever' screw/clamp that tightens the action of the take-down (unscrewing) feature it has.
That’s not a clamping screw, but just a pin holding fore and aft parts together. Here are two photos of such “Austrian Henrys” taken down.
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Interesting 'take down'. similar, virtually identical to a hooked breech on a muzzleloader, except they do not use a cross-pin/screw and only the barrel is removed on the muzzleloader.
| lancaster |
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| 05/03/23 10:36 PM |
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8x50R in the next Dorotheum auction
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8454415/#
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https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/steyr-95--467866
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/mannlicher-m-95-jagd--468637
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8x50R https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8567014/#
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8x50R https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/steyr-mannlicher-m-95--485781
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I admit. I kick myself for not buying 10 of these things when century had crates full and wanted something like 40 bucks a piece for them.
A 200 grain .338 bullets squoze down to .330 or whatever it is (.329?) would kill deer and elk and bear quite nicely.
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8x56R https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/8769056/
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Question, I went thru the 8 pages of this thread and I did not notice any Steyr M95 sporters that were the product of one of the English gunmaker houses. I could have misses one if it was there, however does anyone have pics of an English treatment? Sure would like to see them. Thanks
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Plenty of pics of my fine example by W.J.Jeffery on this thread from 2020.
Couple from Huvius's "shot and regulated" example in there too.
Hope you find them useful.
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allmost ever they were made for the austrian market so having the "alpine" look.
the mannlicher M 92 / 93 / M 95 is another story.
the connection to the british gun market is the 8x50R aka .315 india in the Lee Speed rifle.
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Ha! Just realized this thread is about the M95 straight-pull rifle, LRF.
Apologies!
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Ha! Just realized this thread is about the M95 straight-pull rifle, LRF.
Apologies!
Yes I see that but thanks for sharing your rifle it is certainly nice.Here is a quick picture of the one I just recently completed
More about it can be seen in this build thread
Styer Dutch Mannlicher M1895
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Question, I went thru the 8 pages of this thread and I did not notice any Steyr M95 sporters that were the product of one of the English gunmaker houses. I could have misses one if it was there, however does anyone have pics of an English treatment? Sure would like to see them. Thanks
allmost ever they were made for the austrian market so having the "alpine" look.
the mannlicher M 92 / 93 / M 95 is another story.
the connection to the British gun market is the 8x50R aka .315 india in the Lee Speed rifle.
Thanks lancaster, it seemed that way but I had to ask. I am researching another project and these Steyr M95's came up. I have one that is a military I was given many years ago and then I was recently informed that a friend has a commercial one that a gunsmith started to restore 40 years ago. I also have a desire to built another single shot of my own design. It would take the rough shape of a Gibbs Rook Action-in-wood rifle in 30-30 Win.
Decisions, decisions, and I am not getting younger.
Please keep posting pics of M95's when you see them
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8x50R https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8946032/#
8x56R https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8946116/#
and an older werndl blackpowder action with a m 95 carbine barrel in 8x50R
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8946110/#
to make this austrian group completely a nice rast&gasser revolver rifle for the 11,2x36R
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8946026/#
