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One of our European members posted on here but has deleted the thread? Why? Pity.

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One of our European members posted on here but has deleted the thread? Why? Pity.

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It is due to the impossibility of building a discussion.

Ones write something and no answer for days so that ones no longer know whether there is actually interest in the topic or not. Some then have different feelings about their posting.

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Funny this. Many of the most popular European cartridges have a British monica:

6.5x53R = .256 Mannlicher
6.5x54 = .256 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
7x57 = .275 Rigby
9.5 Mannlicher = .375 NE Rimless
10.75x73 = .404 Jeffery
etc etc

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Well I've always liked the different side of things compared to the average fella up here in NQ.

7x57 - Parker Hale M1100 lightweight
7x64 - BRNO 600
.308Norma Magnum - Parker Hale M1200........yep she's Swedish & can she go!
9.3x64 - Mark X....the article by Jack Lott won me, this round can top the .375H&H by a whisker, this is the one that really got me started into the big bores & more advanced reloading back in the 80's
Lastly
10.75x73mm or .404Jeffery - CZ550 Safari classic
I haven't the chance to try the .404 on pigs yet, but all the others do a spectacular job.
The old 7x57 did a top job on a Rusa stag a few years back, not breaking any speed or accuracy records but 140gn Noslers do a grand quartering job mushrooming perfectly; even if the bugger ran 50 yards & playing hard to find after being hit!

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Hey 9.3x64 I am not sure the 404J will be enough gun for pigs but I do know the 416 Rigby works just fine on feral cats

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In days gone by the norm here was 7x57 (R), 7x64, 8x57 and 6,5x57 (R) in the mountains...then the 30.06 began to catch up, followed with .308 and 300 win.mag...

Nowadays .308 prevails between locals, among clients 30.06 and 300 win mag with an odd 300 and 270 wsm is the norm.

I carry either 8x68S for serious work + 9,3x62 for tracking wounded game and 9,3x74R for pleasure when possible.

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I find it funny how things work. To me I would take a 7X64 or 8X57 for hunting anywhere over a 30-06 or 308. Yes I am a bit weird

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I had written that the cartridges that I use in my region are primarily intended for other types of hunting that I do worldwide. For that reason I am a little bit overgunned in my country.

Only the cartridge 8x57IS is in the norm , otherwise I use the cartridges 7mm Rem Mag , 300 H&H Magnum , 9,3x64 Brenneke and 10,75x68 Mauser. The latter for wild boar driven hunts.

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Spending a year in old West Germany back in the early eighties I did quite a bit of hunting in various areas, used a 6.5x54 MS full stocked rifle to take my first Roe Buck, a 7x65R to take a doe and yearling, a 6.5x55 for another doe and can't recall what I was using for another buck. I carried a variety of other loan rifles on other hunts but can't recall what they were other than definitely do recall being handed an 8x57 with a loaded magazine by a farmer who had his own hunting area to do an evening hunt for roe deer. Once I found and climbed into the hochsitz I was given directions to my horror when opening the bolt I saw a variety of cartridges in the magazine, all 8x57 but I don't think any two were the same. Was praying that I didn't need to shoot, would likely have not attempted even if I did get a chance. Was not buck season so only shooting does however I wasn't about to sully my record to date for one shot kills.

Went on some driven hunts and chamois hunts but let my friends do most of the shooting as I had vastly more and varied hunting experience than my German acquaintances and by then had shot a pile of our various deer species, chamois and tahr so was happy just to be in the field with gun in hand and let my friends take animals.

Everyone used a variety of cartridges in various action types and seemed to try and match different cartridges and loadings for different game. I know there were calibre and energy limits for some game but personally I would have chosen a 222 or 243 for the small Roe deer or just stayed with a 7x57 or 7mm-08 and my favourite, a 140gr Sierra Gameking for everything. Much of the hunting is from the hochsitz so the shot can be picked and most avoid taking running shots at all cost unless they wound with the first shot or are on a driven game hunt. Running shots for me were bread and butter but when in Rome do as Romans do so I had to keep my finger off the trigger more than I normally would.

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In days gone by the norm here was 7x57 (R), 7x64, 8x57 and 6,5x57 (R) in the mountains...then the 30.06 began to catch up, followed with .308 and 300 win.mag...

Nowadays .308 prevails between locals, among clients 30.06 and 300 win mag with an odd 300 and 270 wsm is the norm.

I carry either 8x68S for serious work + 9,3x62 for tracking wounded game and 9,3x74R for pleasure when possible.

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Once Joe Doe enters the store it is all down to prices, availability and stuff...and the .308 win is the winner...big time! Having said that - back in not that old days it was considered a marginal caliber for big bears, boars and stags, however as of latest with modern loads and bulets it is hard to ignore, truth be told it is a logical choice even over long range use - I'd take it anytime.

However - having a luxury of choice not bounded to the appropriateness but a shear luxury of free choice to feel deep European - anything of Mauser (57) or Brenneke (64) descendant gives you aplenty to choose from .. then there are many other cool calibers around that are rarely seen but are as such much more interesting to have around esp. since those are usually accompanied by a distinct owners that are very alike the calibers they carry - it is a nontheless a telling sign of a true character

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98mouse, you are a man of true character.

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Does 30-40 Krag count?

Im a huge fan of 9.3x74R for most 4 legged things larger than a Coyote. Ive always wanted something small and compact in 6.5x55.

I tried to find ammo and/or load data for 9x54R (9.3x54R). Id love to build a "Heavy" caliber on a Mosin Nagant; but I havent been able to find anything. I keep hearing it exists but I cant find it.

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Very reassuring to see that no-one reinvented the wheel when it came to designating the most popular European calibres i.e. 6,5x55, 6,5x57 & 6,5x57R, 7x57 & 7x57R, 7x64 & 7x65R, .300H&H, 8x57JS & 8x57JRS, 8x68S, 9x3x62 & 9,3x74R, 9,3x64, and 10,75x68; the junior of which, the 8x68S, dates back to 1939 or 1940! Ballistics were good from start, end-of-line users did not succumb to marketing temptation for new products each year and as already reminded above by Joël Dorléac "it's not the arrow that kills, it's the archer".
Louis

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Louis,
I thought the 300H&H was a British development - does it have a metric equivalent or perhaps I'm wrong???
I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but virtual parallel developments like the .257 Roberts & 280 Remington in its many guises where very close to the 6.5x55 & 7x64 overall - half a world away.
It just goes to show how well thought out all these cartridges are for taking similar game & over what range these were designed for. All are very classy cartridges in their own right & really it comes down to more about personal preference for the game to be taken.

But yes Mr D's comment really nails it, all else being equal it really is up to the 'archer' to bring home the bacon so to speak!

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Very reassuring to see that no-one reinvented the wheel when it came to designating the most popular European calibres i.e. 6,5x55, 6,5x57 & 6,5x57R, 7x57 & 7x57R, 7x64 & 7x65R, .300H&H, 8x57JS & 8x57JRS, 8x68S, 9x3x62 & 9,3x74R, 9,3x64, and 10,75x68; the junior of which, the 8x68S, dates back to 1939 or 1940! Ballistics were good from start, end-of-line users did not succumb to marketing temptation for new products each year and as already reminded above by Joël Dorléac "it's not the arrow that kills, it's the archer".
Louis

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All good Louis, I suspected that but the English are somewhat (very) sensitive when it comes to things like being lumbered in with someone else. Us Aussies like to stick it to our Pommy mates every now & then - it gets reciprocated back just as well, especially with their stiff upper lip & all too!

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Yep, when living in the UK, we used to talk about "going to Europe" for our holidays.

Yes, the British Isles are geographically part of Europe but the mentality is not necessarily that way.

Hel;, recently they wanted to try to resurrect the old British Commonwealth again with Brexit, before Boris sold out again with excessive EU concessions.

I had friends from all over the world, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Czech, Denmark, Sweden, Norway among others in Britain and some especially the French or Germans got peeved when saying "going to Europe" across the channel, especially when visiting them in their own countries. Had to change to saying "continental Europe".

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Dear 9,3x64 and All. Thank you for understanding that my comments were a bit provocative, but not on the wrong side of the meaning, and I do praise your sense of humour!
Unless referring to nationality each time one mentions a European calibre e.g. a British one, a German one, an Swedish one, etc. I think that on a wider European scale (including the British Isles of course) one should therefore refer to two distinct categories i.e. Imperial and Metric ones when talking about European calibres. However I do not intend to turn that mole hill issue into a mountain and things won't probably change!
Louis

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OK Louis, if you are truly sorry, I want to see you using a .303 for all your hunting next season.

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Dear 9,3x64 and All. Thank you for understanding that my comments were a bit provocative, but not on the wrong side of the meaning, and I do praise your sense of humour!
Unless referring to nationality each time one mentions a European calibre e.g. a British one, a German one, an Swedish one, etc. I think that on a wider European scale (including the British Isles of course) one should therefore refer to two distinct categories i.e. Imperial and Metric ones when talking about European calibres. However I do not intend to turn that mole hill issue into a mountain and things won't probably change!
Louis

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Personally I use the 7x57 and 7x65r and think they are perfect for most European hunting. I would add the 7x64. Not much recoil, but than enough energy down range with good bullets.

But here in the UK 3 cartridges out sell all others by a long way:

243 Win - perfect for Roe, Mintjac and Fallow and good enough for Red Deer. Probably out sells all others combined. It’s the min required for deer and the Police Firearms Licencing like minimums and its most will allow as a first rifle. Also works well as a foxing rifle.

270 win - seen as the big rifle. Its the goto calibre for Scottish open mountain type stalking. And was the standard forestry rifle.

308 Win - the all rounder, and now standard for most commercial contractors and many stalkers. Also used as a range gun. And as lead free becomes more used it will be more used.


6.5CM is becoming popular and suspect may overtake 243 and 308 especially as non toxic becomes the norm.

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Funny this. Many of the most popular European cartridges have a British monica:

6.5x53R = .256 Mannlicher
6.5x54 = .256 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
7x57 = .275 Rigby
9.5 Mannlicher = .375 NE Rimless
10.75x73 = .404 Jeffery
etc etc

The stand-alones are the 8mm Mauser and the 9.3x62 (9.3x74R).

So within my limited rules, they win!

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Funny. Many Australians including myself, and many Britishers too, refer the Britain AND Europe.

I remember when living in London, saying "we are going to Europe for the holiday." A French friend replied "what do you mean, going TO Europe?!"