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Wild Boar Attacks 2019
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ia1icbqJc
| Ripp |
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| 12/07/19 10:44 PM |
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The #1 shooter seems to have gotten smoked by the boar..
Think #2-5 should be "Wild Boar Got In The Way" vs attacks
| DarylS |
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| 13/07/19 02:33 AM |
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Cool!
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 13/07/19 09:15 AM |
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Certainly can be quite nasty at close range.
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| Rule303 |
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| 13/07/19 09:40 AM |
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Wonder why No1 did not fire. Why would you hunt in very close scrub with a scoped rifle. Can't see more than 10 feet, scope would be a big hindrance.
When I use to hunt around the Booligal area in NSW the Hay hospital treated more people for wounds inflicted by pigs than any other type of wound/injury. Mind you blokes use to be on all fours crawling through lignum (type of vine bush similar to lantana) tunnels with a short shotgun or lever action carbine.
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 13/07/19 11:17 AM |
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That's where an Aimpoint is perfect.
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| tinker |
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| 13/07/19 01:09 PM |
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Even the aimpoint or similar optic can be difficult in close and fast cluttered situations.
That last one where the hunter got smacked - I wonder if he had a safety get in the way of his shot.
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 13/07/19 01:51 PM |
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At those distances and at that speed you can easily get the Aimpoint on target specially as you leave both eyes open and when looking down at the target you barely even notice the rim of the optics, at least that has been my experience.
Matt.
| DarylS |
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Even the aimpoint or similar optic can be difficult in close and fast cluttered situations.
That last one where the hunter got smacked - I wonder if he had a safety get in the way of his shot.
Safety-on, was my thought as well.
| Rule303 |
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| 14/07/19 08:28 AM |
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At those distances and at that speed you can easily get the Aimpoint on target specially as you leave both eyes open and when looking down at the target you barely even notice the rim of the optics, at least that has been my experience.
Matt.
That is why I love my Aimpoints.
They have worked for me in similar situations, just like looking over open sights only a red dot is seen.
| tinker |
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| 14/07/19 02:08 PM |
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The dot optics require training, they're not nearly as intuitive as a solid iron front sight.
I've had them on guns, rifles, and handguns for over 20 years - and still they're not as fast or intuitive as iron sights.
Also if the shooter has an eyeglass prescription for astigmatism, that dot ends up looking like a smidge.
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| 14/07/19 02:13 PM |
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Wonder why No1 did not fire. Why would you hunt in very close scrub with a scoped rifle. Can't see more than 10 feet, scope would be a big hindrance.
When I use to hunt around the Booligal area in NSW the Hay hospital treated more people for wounds inflicted by pigs than any other type of wound/injury. Mind you blokes use to be on all fours crawling through lignum (type of vine bush similar to lantana) tunnels with a short shotgun or lever action carbine.
Same reason as 'hunters' put 12 - 36x scopes on their "hunting" rifles. They shoot paper, talk on the internet and have no idea.
Many shooters have never shot a rifle without a scope and have no idea about it.
I think every new shooter and especially young boys and girls should all start off with a .22 RF single shot and open sights. And learn with it, and move on from th
| Rule303 |
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| 14/07/19 05:09 PM |
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The dot optics require training, they're not nearly as intuitive as a solid iron front sight.
I've had them on guns, rifles, and handguns for over 20 years - and still they're not as fast or intuitive as iron sights.
Also if the shooter has an eyeglass prescription for astigmatism, that dot ends up looking like a smidge.
I disagree. I found I was quicker with the Aimpoint than open sights. Other dot sights I have to hunt for but not the Aimpoint. Others tell me they find Helio sights quicker. In very thick scrub with moving pigs I never got behind the open sights just looked over the barrel. With the Aimpoint the dot was always in sight in these situations.
| Waidmannsheil |
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| 14/07/19 06:56 PM |
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I have to agree with Rule, I find that the Aimpoint is on target every time and exactly where you want it, especially if you turn the brightness up one notch from where you would normally have it. This focuses your eye on the target with the dot rather than the dot itself. That was one of the things we learned at the Aimpoint training day and it really works. Most of the guys including the older blokes at the BGRC have switched to red dot sights for all the close up rapid fire events as well as those events where the targets move. I often use the Aimpoint when hunting Sambar in dense forest as you often only have a couple of seconds to make the shot and the Aimpoint is on and where you want it straight away. I have been using one for many years now and love them. They are not the best choice for all situations but at close range in darker light they are hard to beat.
Matt.
| jgrabow |
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| 14/07/19 09:24 PM |
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Turn the volume up for #1. You will hear a click just before the boar gets to him. Did he forget to load the rifle, bad ammo?
| DarylS |
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| 15/07/19 02:03 AM |
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I agree, Jim - I heard that too, second time I watched it. Miss-fire or failure to load.
| tinker |
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| 15/07/19 06:58 AM |
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Good for you guys who get better performance out of the dot sights than the irons.
It's just not that way for me. At this time in my life I am starting to see my eyesight losing it's edge.
I've tried most all of the best optics available, always with the same general results - a bit of hunting for the dot, and for me the dot isn't a dot it's a smudge.
I have a Merkel 375 here today that we've fitted with a Trijicon RMR (I also have a similar product from aimpoint), I'm adjusting it to the rifle. For it's class of sight it's top shelf, but same issues with clarity for me. It's my astigmatism. The 'seeking for the dot' issue is basically me looking for irons - which to be fair to the conversation accounts for only a couple tenths of a second. Together the issues definitely get in the way of a fast shot.
At some time I'll likely need to do something about my eyes getting older and I'll hopefully get some remedy with front sight illumination. I've gotten fantastic results with fiber optic bright day sights. I've worked with tritium lamps, with mixed but mostly positive results. I'll pursue those routes as far as I can.
| Rule303 |
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Tinker, my eye sight is not what it was but I don't have astigmatism. This I think would make most sights a bit blurry. Most people put Aimpoints in the same dot sight area as others. They are slightly different. They have asymmetrical, I think it is called, Lenses. This means that when zeroed it does not matter if the dot appears to be in say, the top right hand part of the sight, if it is on target it is on. Probably one reason I do not have to hunt to find the dot like I do with any other brand or type of dot sight. With the Aimpoint you are not looking for the dot you look through the scope focusing on the hit area and the dot is there.
The other problems with a Red dot sight is if a person is red/green colour blind. I am told the dot appears as a grey smudge/dot. Also, I have been told, some dot sights wash out with any degree of sunlight directly on the front lens. IE facing a setting sun with less than 3 hours before sunset.
A problem with open sights for me now is I cant see them unless they are very big and then they are blurry. Plays havoc with pistol shooting. I either have to just sight using the flat top of the slide as the sight. ie. make sure it is pointing straight at the target or use glasses that allow me to see the front sight but even targets at ten meters are just a blurred outline. Getting old sucks:-)
I know some have artificial lens placed in their eye to replace damaged/crook eye lenses. I don't know if that sort of surgery is wanted/would work for you.
The 3 fastest sights I have used are Aimpoint, some open/peep sights, Trijacon 1.5-4X24 picket post Accupoints on 1.5 power. Nothing else comes close for me. May I suggest you have have a look through one of the Trijacon Accupoints 1-4X24. These are not quite as for giving as the old 1.5's as their eye box is not as big.
I wish you the best of luck in finding a sighting option that works for you.
| 93mouse |
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At the scenarios from the vid any aiming device is superfluous. It is all about point and shoot - a well fitted gun that shoots where you look is worth more than anything else. A good marksman is suppose to hit a dinner plate out to 15m just by pointing without aiming.
Shooting air rifle (.22 l.r. etc) without any aiming device or sporting clays with shotgun is great training for things like that.
| tinker |
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At the scenarios from the vid any aiming device is superfluous. It is all about point and shoot - a well fitted gun that shoots where you look is worth more than anything else. A good marksman is suppose to hit a dinner plate out to 15m just by pointing without aiming.
Shooting air rifle (.22 l.r. etc) without any aiming device or sporting clays with shotgun is great training for things like that.
Part of my impression with *any* additional optic on a rifle or handgun in tight/close/fast situations is that it's a distraction. I continue to experiment with low power and dot optics, but in tight and fast situations, especially where the light is low and/or scattered like a bright day in brush the optics slow me down.
| DarylS |
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At the ranges presented, instinctive shooting is about all I would need - and a 12 bore with GOOD slugs would be the go-to gun - for me.
When training, we taught our guys to hold a 6" group at 25yards shooting instinctively. My riot squad could all do that. I taught "Big Ron" to do this with his 8 3/8" M29 with factory duplication loads. Gun held at shoulder level, just looking at the centre of the target, no sighting.
It only took 45 minutes of one on one training for him to accomplish this. Afterwards he said:
"I thought this was impossible, you were just blowing smoke. If I hand not just done this myself, I would not believe it."
Having a greased "metal-man" surely helped speed up the process.
I noticed most of the instinctive/pointing shots landed high and/or far back. That is common without 'some' practice at this type of shooting. Hip shooting makes shots land even higher for most people.
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| 16/07/19 03:42 AM |
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Tinker, my eye sight is not what it was but I don't have astigmatism. This I think would make most sights a bit blurry.
I used to have perfect eyesight. My eyesight has deteriated with diabetes and horror, age. I used to see perfect circles in dot sights. Now they are little stars. But I can still use express sights most of the time. So far at least. When handgun shooting the close targets are fine. I have a little trouble with the handgun and the 20 or 25 metre target. With the rifle, so far it is fine.
Supposedly per Bob Pretty and the other old Trijicon guys who used to be part of Trijicon in Australia, the triangle dot sights can work better for some people. But no one seems to make them for common sale.
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At the scenarios from the vid any aiming device is superfluous. It is all about point and shoot - a well fitted gun that shoots where you look is worth more than anything else. A good marksman is suppose to hit a dinner plate out to 15m just by pointing without aiming.
Shooting air rifle (.22 l.r. etc) without any aiming device or sporting clays with shotgun is great training for things like that.
Good post.
But being able to hit a smaller clay target is even better and far far cheaper!
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| 16/07/19 03:46 AM |
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A charging animal is always different to hitting a target.
However no doubt practising on running charging targets improves mental and muscle memory. In particular if the same firearm is used.
| 93mouse |
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| 16/07/19 06:05 AM |
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Daryl spot on. In his book "Shotgunning The art and the science" Bob Brister describes how he taught a teenage girl how to shoot - part of it is available on Google books - scroll to page 15:
https://books.google.si/books/about/Shot...p;q&f=false
| tinker |
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Daryl spot on. In his book "Shotgunning The art and the science" Bob Brister describes how he taught a teenage girl how to shoot
Fantastic book.
I have a copy of it here.
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| 16/07/19 08:17 AM |
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At the ranges presented, instinctive shooting is about all I would need - and a 12 bore with GOOD slugs would be the go-to gun - for me.
When training, we taught our guys to hold a 6" group at 25yards shooting instinctively. My riot squad could all do that. I taught "Big Ron" to do this with his 8 3/8" M29 with factory duplication loads. Gun held at shoulder level, just looking at the centre of the target, no sighting.
It only took 45 minutes of one on one training for him to accomplish this. Afterwards he said:
"I thought this was impossible, you were just blowing smoke. If I hand not just done this myself, I would not believe it."
Having a greased "metal-man" surely helped speed up the process.
I noticed most of the instinctive/pointing shots landed high and/or far back. That is common without 'some' practice at this type of shooting. Hip shooting makes shots land even higher for most people.
Going to try that myself.
| Rule303 |
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At the scenarios from the vid any aiming device is superfluous. It is all about point and shoot - a well fitted gun that shoots where you look is worth more than anything else. A good marksman is suppose to hit a dinner plate out to 15m just by pointing without aiming.
Shooting air rifle (.22 l.r. etc) without any aiming device or sporting clays with shotgun is great training for things like that.
Why I said looking over the sights or down the slide. I did this when I had my original Aimpoint and surprisingly the dot was where my pointing the barrel was. For many years now I have not look for the sight when using an Aimpoint, just look where I want to hit and raise the gun to that and the dot is there. Works at longer range's as well. Try it. Just remember do not look for the dot just bore a hole with your eyes where you want to hit and raise the rifle to it.
| DarylS |
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Daryl spot on. In his book "Shotgunning The art and the science" Bob Brister describes how he taught a teenage girl how to shoot
Fantastic book.
I have a copy of it here.
That is a good book. I will have to get it.
When I spoke of shooting high "from the hip" I was referring to the shotgun. Some are worse for this than others, like very short barreled 12 bores or pistol-griped shotguns seem to really shoot high. Even the standard 18" bls. were really bad for shooting high. Ours (Corrections) were M870's with 20" bls. and tube extenders for 7 rounds total, so with one up the spout, they were 8 shot guns. They were not as bad, but still, the tendency was to shoot high from the hip.
We had to run drills of holding the left arm, hand on the forend, with elbow locked. That usually gave centre of mass hits - with average shaped individuals, locking the elbow for each shot. We also demo'd that mounting the gun for snap shooting was just as fast, or faster then all the second guessing of trying to shoot from the hip.
At this point, I will note, the "token" females we were made to enlist on the riot squad all quit after the shotgun training.
The guys were taught to automatically count their rounds fired and loaded while safety-on & reloading between targets when moving, safety off and shooting. It all became instinctive for them. At any time we'd halt them and ask how many rounds in the gun - they had to know then prove it - and after a few trials & watching others, had to be counting-always, they became not only accurate shooters, but always knew what was in the gun - spectator or shooter had to count as well, as anyone was liable to be asked - CEASE FIRE - HOW MANY ROUNDS IN THE GUN - BOB? - DAVE? - RON? - KEITH? or the shooter would be asked.
That was fun and games & actually quite stressful for the shooter, when running stages - barricade to barricade on multiple targets, ALL called by #, having to reposition to use as much cover as possible.
I loved the training, every spring.
| Gundog01 |
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Number 5, nothing beats sharing the field with a loyal & courageous hunting dog.
With enough training an aim point or similar red dot sight is far superior to iron sights in close combat. Period.
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| 07/10/19 06:32 PM |
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Wonder why No1 did not fire. Why would you hunt in very close scrub with a scoped rifle. Can't see more than 10 feet, scope would be a big hindrance.
When I use to hunt around the Booligal area in NSW the Hay hospital treated more people for wounds inflicted by pigs than any other type of wound/injury. Mind you blokes use to be on all fours crawling through lignum (type of vine bush similar to lantana) tunnels with a short shotgun or lever action carbine.
Same reason as 'hunters' put 12 - 36x scopes on their "hunting" rifles. They shoot paper, talk on the internet and have no idea.
Many shooters have never shot a rifle without a scope and have no idea about it.
I think every new shooter and especially young boys and girls should all start off with a .22 RF single shot and open sights. And learn with it, and move on from th
Watching the video again, I had EXACTLY the same thought.
Also that some of these guys need to practice with their firearms more, and also learn how to shoot them. One problem is excessive range safety. The dickheads who believe your firearms must be chamber unloaded, safety on all the time, uncocked or even the action broken open all the time. Hunting is hunting, and range safety belongs on the range not the hunting field. However there is also hunting safety of course, and some people fail at it all no matter what.
On the video, I did not, I think it was the first video, where the guys were standing. In a open cut, in a line, and facing the thick forest. So a boar running out, probably is between the hunters. Dangerous. Why aren't they standing on the other side of the cut?
Also not the poor dogs. One dog yelps at the shot, I think it is hanging on the end of the boar when firing. I think he stands then as the boar continues forward. Hopefully was not hit by shot. I would not want my dog being on one of these hunts with these dickheads.
And a couple of times after an incident, the hunter staggers away, in shock at the closeness, meanwhile the dog is doing the work. Why isn't the hunter moving around to shoot the boar again? In one example he wasn't even touched, though it came close.
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| 07/10/19 06:38 PM |
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Turn the volume up for #1. You will hear a click just before the boar gets to him. Did he forget to load the rifle, bad ammo?
Probably a range trained shooter who carries his firearm empty chamber until it is "needed".
I have hunted with a host who insisted all guns broken open until shooting! And it was walked up pheasant shoot! So the guns were open and when a pheasant rose, you closed your gun, mounted it to your shoulder to shoot. Called excessive safety and risk worries by the host. Possibly he had an incident with a dickhead.
On the other hand I remember ErikD from these forums. First day I hunted moose with him, and was on the highest furtherest out spot on the mountain. Being new he was going to sit with me the first time. I was to walk the trail first. Then Erik and then a bunch of others. In line, the last person would peel off at the proper spot and head to their "stand". As the first person, Erik had me chamber a round, put the safety on, a Mauser M03 was it was uncocked, in case we bumped into something on the way up. Everyone else had chambers empty on closed guns. A sensible way to do it and safely.
When stalking, still hunting etc, I always carry a firearm round chambered, and usually safety off/cocked. Keep the muzzle in a safe direction. Safety on, when needed.
And the scope usually wound right down, unless in very open country or hunting small game.
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That was boar hunting?
Looked like a Mongolian cluster F*** from where I stand.
Last guy should take up remedial sewing, or canasta.
Yup - unloaded gun!
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That was boar hunting?
Looked like a Mongolian cluster F*** from where I stand.
Last guy should take up remedial sewing, or canasta.
Yup - unloaded gun!
On some of these estates guests are invited. Or clients buy a place possibly as a group of hunters. So varying experience from a lot to none at all. All sorts of different standards possible. Some estates would be picky, and invitation only. Others might be whoever buys the spots or day.
Some countries are known for their undisciplined and inexperienced behaviour as well. Generally speaking.
| DarylS |
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My hunters had the magazine only, loaded and with bolt closed on an empty chamber when we were hunting moose. My .458 was always loaded, safety on.
Once we got to where we were setting up to call, they were allowed to load. On the way to that location, there was always possibility of having
bear trouble. I always led (of course) and could not trust most 'hunters' with loaded firearms.
I did not trust 80% of the hunters I guided. Some were OK and it only takes a day getting things sorted out before the hunt starts to see who knows
what they are doing and who doesn't. Range checking guns allows an easy observance of competency(safety & knowledge of proper gun handling).