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23/10/12 12:17 PM
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Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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(Reuters) - Italian hunting enthusiasts have killed 13 people and wounded 33 in shooting accidents since the season opened in September, increasing pressure to reform antiquated hunting laws.
The death toll swelled across the country this weekend when a 16-year old was killed by a friend while hunting, a pensioner was shot and wounded in his garden and a cyclist was hospitalized after being hit with grapeshot.
Hunting groups agree with environmentalists that the law - which allows hunters to roam on private land and discharge firearms within 150 meters (yards) of a house - should be changed. But the sides have become entrenched in a long-running stalemate over how.
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The number of hunters has declined steeply to about 700,000 from two million three decades ago, with most aged between 65 and 78 years, according to farming association Coldiretti.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/us-italy-hunting-deaths-idUSBRE89L10Z20121022
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SAHUNT
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23/10/12 06:32 PM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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This is very sad news. But I do not think a law will help at all, it is more a matter of hunting responsibly and to be alert of your surroundings. Firearms are dangerous if you do not use it responsibly. The emphasis should be on responsible hunting.
What is also worrying is the decline in the number of hnters. Just more proof that we must pass our hunting heritage to our children and teach them to be responsible hunters
We also have a obligation to promote our love for hunting and stand up to defend that wonderful privelage.
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bonanza
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23/10/12 11:28 PM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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It may come across as an insult, but I always insist on a safety briefing with whomever I go hunting or shooting. I have seen so many so-called seasoned rifleman scare the hell out of me. One buddy was so careless I refuse to go shooting with him again.
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Ripp
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24/10/12 12:55 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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This is very sad news. But I do not thinka law will helpatall, it is morea matter of hunting responsiblyandto bealert of your surroundings. Firearmsare dangerous if you do not use it responsibly. The emphasis should be on responsible hunting. What isalso worrying is the decline in the number of hnters. Just more proof that we must pass our hunting heritageto our childrenand teach themto be responsible hunters Wealsohave a obligationto promote our love for huntingand stand upto defend that wonderful privelage.
Agree totally with the above...but, wow..how does that happen??? do they have hunter safety classes over there?? I realize as with ALL things in life there is risk...but this seems a little over the top in terms of number of incidents...
Ripp
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DarylS
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24/10/12 01:58 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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That is very bad - very bad for them and for their loved ones.
But Reuters - really, grapeshot? Hmmmm - little 1" grape at 7,000 grains weight or the 9 pound grape for the large bore cannon?
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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Ripp, it happens all the time here in Spain too. Since most of the hunting is done here with shotguns the results are not usually fatal but my gardener has been hit 4 times in 4 years, the last time 3 weeks ago, pellets in hand and face (Ikeep telling him to wear shooting glasses) ! I took him on a partridge shoot two years ago and the guy on the next peg had brought along his 12 year old son who decided to shoot a rabbit running between us. There is a lot of flint in the ground here and four or five pellets richoched into my friends shoulder  I can tell you I have many times had a good partridge coming over me but have spotted one coming down low through the line and have ignored my shot and hit the deck to avoid being shot !! The legal culture doesnīt really exist here. When I asked my friend the other day after his trip to the hospital what was going on he just shrugged and said "It was an accident, he said sorry" ! best, Mike p.s. in the UK if that happened you would be escorted away and never invited again
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DarylS
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25/10/12 12:31 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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Gunshot wounds treated at any hospital here, would result in the Police being called. Charges would be laid for "Use of a Firearm Dangerous to the Public Peace", Dangerous Use of Firearm", "Wounding" and perhaps some other charges. These are not considered double jeapardy here, even though they are for the same offense. The shooter would most likely lose all his guns and be banned from possessing firerams for a number of years, probably for life. 'Unintentional Wounding' is taken seriously here.
When I was a kid back in Ontario, a certain nationality was quite infamous for 'hunting' accidents - with rifles small game hunting or large game hunting as well as with shotguns. "Sound Shots" were a normal reaction for them to any sound they heard as they'd shoot in the general direction of the 'sound'. Ontario Game Commission got tough on this - quite Draconian, actually and by the time I left home at age 20, the accidental wounding or killing of hunters had become a thing of the past. It became a most rare accident.
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375Brno
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25/10/12 08:57 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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Allowing hunters to roam on private land and shoot within 150 metres of a house. What sort of BS is that. If you tried that in Australia you would probably get a load of buckshot in the backside. And in most other countries I suppose as well.
Rick
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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My Dad took us to the Dordogne in France about 40 years ago. We stayed in a converted barn on a VERY remote farm. The farmers son whom me and my 5 year old brother befriended had his sole toy which was a dead squirrel on a string which he dragged behind him. It was that remote ! One day we saw another local farm that had apple trees with fruit, I scrambled in and climbed a tree to nick some apples, bad move, the farmer saw us and shot me in the arse with a 12 bore which had been loaded with salt, Christ it stang and I got no sympathy from my old man either. Oh well, learnt a lesson, donīt scrump apples, best
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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Mike, Thank you for really making my day start off great. The dead squirrel on the string toy just cracked me and the wife up. I think it'll set the tone for the rest of the day. French rednecks. who'd thunk it, our kids mostly use sticks and such cause they last longer.
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DarylS
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26/10/12 08:24 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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HA! Mike - good squirrel story - the salt in the britches, I can relate to.
Reminds me of the two old hound dogs sett'n on rockers at the old dog's home. The young puppies running around out front were playing with all sorts of colourful balls and toys. One old dog said to the other, "Why, when I was their age, all I had to play with, was an old stinking cat's head".
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26/10/12 03:07 PM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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Reminds me of the two old hound dogs sett'n on rockers at the old dog's home. The young puppies running around out front were playing with all sorts of colourful balls and toys. One old dog said to the other, "Why, when I was their age, all I had to play with, was an old stinking cat's head".
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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The number of hunters has declined steeply to about 700,000 from two million three decades ago, with most aged between 65 and 78 years, according to farming association Coldiretti.
this is the result of the decline of hunting migratory birds in italy. three decades ago it was a thousend years old tradition most people do on the country from the poorest daytaller up to the priest.
not realy gone today but far off the level it was done once
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DarylS
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28/10/12 01:17 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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They shoot song birds and finches now?
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NitroX
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29/10/12 02:17 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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And eat them too. 
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NitroX
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29/10/12 02:23 AM
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Re: Thirteen Italians die in bloody start to hunt season
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BTW a similar report was made for last year's hunting season opening in Italy and I believe it was later dis-credited as not being reliable, including road accidents in the statistics etc.
I believe it is legal for hunters to hunt on private land without permission from the landowner as a general right. One reason one sees many farm lands with high fences, hedges of cactii, thorns etc and high locked gates to stop people entering farm lands. Also lots of no hunting signs on the fences.
Different laws and traditions in different places. Lack of basic firearms safety is a complete different issue however IMO.
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