Ripp
(.577 member)
10/01/18 12:54 AM
In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=0118

Homer
(.416 member)
10/01/18 08:55 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing Ripp.

You can kinda see, how these people new what they wanted to achieve....... but that they didn't quite have it yet.
Some great pistols there but like any new thing, the evolution of this design, needed something from Out of the Blue/Left Field, to get things headed in the right direction.

Doh!
Homer


Rothhammer1
(.400 member)
10/01/18 09:35 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing Ripp.

You can kinda see, how these people new what they wanted to achieve....... but that they didn't quite have it yet.
Some great pistols there but like any new thing, the evolution of this design, needed something from Out of the Blue/Left Field, to get things headed in the right direction.

Doh!
Homer




Much like John Thompson's insistence on the 'Blish device' as the inspiration for and foundation of what became the Thompson Submachine Gun. As time would show (M1 and M1A1 TSMG), the design could be (and was) simplified to eliminate the 'lock' and its machined channels entirely, along with the bolt's internals, felt oiler... .




YouTube

YouTube



NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
12/01/18 07:25 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

I'd love a Mauser M1896.

lancaster
(.470 member)
13/01/18 07:37 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

I'd love a Mauser M1896.




its a licence problem?
can you buy a semi auto rifle in 7,63 Mauser?
just take a Mauser carbine were the the stock is fixed, there are some gunmaker making new mauser carbines and it would be easy for them to fix the stock permanently.

this firm https://www.fineguns.de/mauser-c96-karabiner make first class work , building new carbine's, the action use the M 1932 "Schnellfeuer" magazine





make nice Parabellum carbines too











https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/ffc909_7a4a3355cf8748eb8d5e3c06dceb329f.pdf

you can buy an original too but they can be expensive sometimes https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/orig...che_um/l/144715
this one here sold for 28000 euro and some value will go if you welding the stock to the action







Ripp
(.577 member)
13/01/18 08:19 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

WOW--thx for posting..

Those are really cool...

Ripp


Homer
(.416 member)
13/01/18 02:58 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!

Thanks for posting Lancaster.

Doh!
Homer


93x64mm
(.416 member)
13/01/18 05:24 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

WOW--thx for posting..

Those are really cool...

Ripp



Not wrong there mate, beautiful pieces aren't they!


DarylS
(.700 member)
14/01/18 03:37 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Yes - donuts for sure.

Rothhammer1
(.400 member)
14/01/18 07:27 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century


A 'Double Hundred Dozen' box (2,400 doughnuts):



lancaster
(.470 member)
15/01/18 07:02 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

just see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJwN0Vq7gM

was new to me that Roosevelt had a Luger carbine and take it to brasil on the Roosevelt–Rondon Scientific Expedition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt%E2%80%93Rondon_Scientific_Expedition


Rothhammer1
(.400 member)
15/01/18 02:43 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century


Very interesting.

Found this on the 'net:
web page


Ripp
(.577 member)
16/01/18 01:54 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

just see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJwN0Vq7gM

was new to me that Roosevelt had a Luger carbine and take it to brasil on the Roosevelt–Rondon Scientific Expedition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt%E2%80%93Rondon_Scientific_Expedition




Wow..great find..had no idea either..thx again for sharing

Ripp


Rell
(.375 member)
17/01/18 12:31 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

I have to say that as interesting as these early auto loaders are, I would not be confident doing into harms way with one.

A colt peace maker in 45LC would be much more comforting.

What was the first semi auto pistol you would actually carry in a possible gun fight?


lancaster
(.470 member)
17/01/18 03:15 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Mauser C 96

Rothhammer1
(.400 member)
17/01/18 06:24 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:



What was the first semi auto pistol you would actually carry in a possible gun fight?




Gee, does it have to be a semi automatic?



Homer
(.416 member)
20/01/18 12:09 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

G'Day Fella's,

Here's a M1896 for sale; https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=118570

Also, in the current edition of Handloader magazine (#312), there's an article on the 7.63 Mauser cartridge in the M96.

Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
20/01/18 06:09 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

G'Day Fella's,

Here's a M1896 for sale; https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=118570

Also, in the current edition of Handloader magazine (#312), there's an article on the 7.63 Mauser cartridge in the M96.

Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer




Damnation. And in 7.65 AND the wooden holster as well. Ffff me dead. Anyone want to lend me some money?!!!

What does the price sound like? When I last saw one it was considerably less. But I don't know what its condition was, I think it was 9mm and probably without the holster.

As I am still "handgunless" it would be funny if the first was a C1896 ... imagine turning up to a indoor handgun shoot with the C1896. Would mean a wait of another year till the first proper one could be acquitred.



NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
20/01/18 06:14 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

Quote:

I'd love a Mauser M1896.




its a licence problem?
can you buy a semi auto rifle in 7,63 Mauser?
just take a Mauser carbine were the the stock is fixed, there are some gunmaker making new mauser carbines and it would be easy for them to fix the stock permanently.

this firm https://www.fineguns.de/mauser-c96-karabiner make first class work , building new carbine's, the action use the M 1932 "Schnellfeuer" magazine





make nice Parabellum carbines too











https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/ffc909_7a4a3355cf8748eb8d5e3c06dceb329f.pdf

you can buy an original too but they can be expensive sometimes https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/orig...che_um/l/144715
this one here sold for 28000 euro and some value will go if you welding the stock to the action










My friend, in the logic of our Soviet Australia Stasi authorities, adding a stock to a semi auto handgun makes it a rifle and a terrifying evil murderous illegal semi auto centrefire rifle at that. Only professionals of extreme need could have such a deadly "rifle". (Maybe collectors as well. ) Saw a story about Soviet Australia Stasi concerns about criminals adding stocks to semi-auto handguns to convert them to evil illegal rifles.

As for the C1896, the wooden holster would strictly ONLY be a wooden holster.


lancaster
(.470 member)
04/02/18 09:41 PM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

just now there is a Wagner made "Parabellum Jagdkarabiner" on egun
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6810063











wagner making the 1902 carbine with old DWM parts for years now
http://www.wagner-eltze.de/waffen/aktion-lugerjagdkarabiner/

and I have bought an unready carbine project also that is in storage by my gunmaker and will go to Wagner one day to be completet

the bag is a nice bonus here, never see it before


Ripp
(.577 member)
05/02/18 12:06 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Wow...great find..

lancaster
(.470 member)
05/02/18 03:13 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

don't misunderstand
the carbine for sale here is not an original, its a replica made by using an old DWM 08 pistol with a new long barrel.
that's because it looks so untouched.

Wagner will mkae you another one on special order for 2310 euro but the leather bag coming with this auction will probably cost 200 -300 euro alone


Ripp
(.577 member)
06/02/18 01:36 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Quote:

don't misunderstand
the carbine for sale here is not an original, its a replica made by using an old DWM 08 pistol with a new long barrel.
that's because it looks so untouched.

Wagner will mkae you another one on special order for 2310 euro but the leather bag coming with this auction will probably cost 200 -300 euro alone




Thank you ..I realize that it is not the original, but still didn't know that was currently being made today..

Thank you for posting..that is not that bad of price for what it is I feel... would be very unique to have ..

Ripp


Homer
(.416 member)
06/02/18 09:56 AM
Re: In-the-beginning--semi-automatic-pistols-of-the-19th-century

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!

Thanks for sharing Lancaster.

D'oh!
Homer



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