CptCurl
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Oh Hell, Joseph Egg Officers Pistols
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What's a man to do?
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| Viking338 |
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| 14/03/14 12:29 AM |
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They are beautiful and would be a joy to see in real life!
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NitroX
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| 14/03/14 01:09 AM |
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What's a man to do?
Curl
Every Virginian Gentleman needs a pair of duelling pistols.
| DarylS |
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| 14/03/14 01:17 AM |
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They are beautiful and would be wonderful to shoot.
| MikeRowe |
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| 14/03/14 02:44 AM |
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They are simply magnificent.
What to do? A gentleman should buy them.
| poprivit |
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| 14/03/14 03:07 AM |
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What do you think Julia will get for them? To my recollection J. Egg will bring a small fortune.
| Oldbrit |
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| 14/03/14 03:39 AM |
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What do you think Julia will get for them? To my recollection J. Egg will bring a small fortune.
Anyone got a small fortune they can spare?
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CptCurl
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| 14/03/14 07:47 AM |
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They are a really cool pair.
.75 caliber! 12 bore pistols.
They are headed to Virginia to reside with a very deserving collector.
Curl
| dons |
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| 14/03/14 07:48 AM |
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Sold for 20.7K plus commission
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CptCurl
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| 14/03/14 07:51 AM |
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The description:
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EXCEPTIONAL HIGH CONDITION CASED PAIR OF JOSEPH EGG FLINTLOCK OFFICERS PISTOLS. SN NSN. Cal. .75. These high quality, military caliber, horseman’s pistols with 8" twist ovate bbls fitted with U-notch rear and silver blade front sights, are engraved “Joseph, Egg. No 1 Piccadilly London” in script on top flats. Each bbl has gold band at rear, and platinum touch hole. Captive bridled ramrods mount to heavy bosses under muzzles. Locks with semi-waterproof pans, bridled frizzens with large rollers on springs, back sliding safeties, and serpentine cocks, have chamfered plates with rebated pointed tails. Rear portion of plates and flat body of cocks have floral engraving. “Joseph Egg” is engraved under each pan. Dense, nicely figured European walnut stocks have horn tips, and fully checkered bag grips. Trigger guards with floral engraving on bows extend to classic pineapple finials. Rectangular crest plates with clipped corners behind breech irons, are each engraved with a horse. Stocks mount to bbls with single captive side nail with no escutcheons. Orig makers mahogany case with key lock closure, and with ebony key escutcheon, is lined in pilled green baize, and has orig paper Joseph Egg label on lid. Case contains a number of lead balls in central compartment and under one covered compartment, a second covered compartment is empty, a fine early rosewood cleaning rod with brush, scraper, and jag, early double bladed walnut handled turnscrew with brass vent pick/ blade guard, and a cleaning brush. PROVENANCE: Robert H. Haskell, III Estate Collection. CONDITION: Excellent, as found. Bbls retain 80 – 90% orig brown, silvering on sharp edges. Locks and breech irons retain a great deal of their orig case hardening color under a layer of dust and grime. Trigger guards and thimbles retain nearly all of their charcoal blue. One thimble is considerably flaked. Stocks retain nearly all their orig finish with some dull spots and a few minor marks. Bores are very fine with a few minor pits. Locks and frizzens are crisp. Safeties work. Exterior of case retains most of what appears to be an old refinish over a number of scratches and marks, and some minor repairs. Bottom board has two cracks. Interior cloth is extremely fine, with some light rubs and marks from contact with guns and accessories. Partitions are solid. Label is extremely fine, unsoiled, with two minor tears. Accessories are also very fine. A truly exceptional pair of flintlock man stoppers, by this highly regarded maker, nephew of Durs Egg, who was working at 1 Piccadilly from 1814 – 1834.
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CptCurl
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| 14/03/14 07:54 AM |
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Sold for 20.7K plus commission
No. The $20.7k includes the commission. The bid was $18k.
Curl
| kamilaroi |
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| 14/03/14 10:04 AM |
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If there were in OZ at some time then I've seen and handled them. They are very fine.
| DarylS |
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| 14/03/14 10:13 AM |
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.75 = 11 bores! Yeah - I know it's quibbling.
| tinker |
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| 14/03/14 11:34 AM |
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Swoon!
| Sville |
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| 14/03/14 06:00 PM |
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Beautiful pistols!
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CptCurl
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| 14/03/14 10:03 PM |
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.75 = 11 bores! Yeah - I know it's quibbling.
A 12b ball is .735" from my Lyman mould. A nice thick patch will work perfectly with that.
Now I just need a horse, a pair of saddle holsters, a Wilkinson saber, and a Redcoat uniform of sufficient rank.
Curl
| underlever |
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Now that is money extremely well converted. Thanks for sharing.
Underlever
| kamilaroi |
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| 15/03/14 06:06 PM |
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IIRC the Egg family (Durs being the head) fled Switzerland to London due to religious persecution.
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CptCurl
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| 27/03/14 12:01 PM |
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The pistols arrived today. I haven't had much time with them, but I did carefully remove the locks to see the beauty inside.
After 200 years:
These photos don't do justice to the fine locks you are seeing. After 200 years they look mirror bright, in perfect condition. They will last another 200 years for sure.
More later.
Curl
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 27/03/14 06:03 PM |
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I can´t wait to hear how they shoot
| tinker |
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| 27/03/14 08:20 PM |
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Nice!!
Can't wait for the field report.
...not jealous...
Cheers
Tinker
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NitroX
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| 28/03/14 12:07 AM |
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Can't wait for the field report.
That will depend on who wins the Virginian's first duel ...
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CptCurl
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| 05/04/14 10:20 PM |
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Now in hand, and with teeth in their jaws!
These are fantastic!
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 06/04/14 04:20 AM |
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Just loverly!
| tinker |
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| 06/04/14 07:18 AM |
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Smoke.
I see no smoke...
| TH44 |
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| 06/04/14 09:31 AM |
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VERY nice - although I think you should return them to the UK whence they originated! (I think this is good English!)
I will send you an address!!
TH44
| Huvius |
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| 06/04/14 09:48 AM |
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Fantastic pair Curl!
Not much more to be said...
The lack of smoke is of concern though...
| DarylS |
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| 07/04/14 01:08 AM |
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Don't know why - but I didn't ask - are they rifled? Since they do have rear sights, brings the question, however they could just as easily be smooth bored?
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CptCurl
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| 07/04/14 07:03 AM |
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They are smooth bores.
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| DarylS |
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TKS - bro wanted to know, since they have rear sights.
Still, they'd make good tiger crushers up close and non-friendly over the elephant's head or side of the Howdah! THAT would be exciting - Yowser! - CLICK! (in flintlock terms, that is a misfire - no pan ignition, no powder ignition, just a heart rendering CHICK! FABOOM!- the other goes - dead kitty-cat - hopefully.
Have you measured the bores?
Fun test - place a blank sheet of bristle board (3" square of paper) with tiger's head drawn - 3 feet from you -on your right, facing down-range. Sit facing forwards - your 14 bore DR rifle is empty and you are attacked from the side, draw the pistols from in front of you (probably kneeling?, turn and shoot that cat's head. What fun - Talley Ho! What if 2 cats - one from each side - bravo - golly good day, wot?
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CptCurl
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| 08/04/14 11:25 PM |
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I haven't measured the bores. They are "military calibre" and thus made to shoot the same balls as the Brown Bess musket, standard arm of the day. Anybody know the standard diameter for the Brown Bess ball?
As for smoke, I'm still giving thought to that.
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 09/04/14 01:21 AM |
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Seems to me, the calibre of ball in the issue ctgs. was in the .69 to .70 range.
With the normal British Musket of the day being the Bess, in one or more of it's varieties being .75 to .80 cal, you can see one reason for the atrocious inaccuracy. Yes - being smooth didn't help, however with less windage between the ball and bores, accuracy was improved immensely.
The US military muskets up to and including the 1842 model in caplock, were of .69 cal. (.690 to .700") and those ctg.s used balls of .64" cal until 1820 when their calibre was increased to .65". This virtually doubled the hits at 100 yards, which was still dismal,ie: 2 to 4 on a 3' target at 100yards out of 10 shots is still better than 1 or 2.
Due to the inaccuracy of a single 'shot' in the ctg., buck and ball ctgs. were much more popular as they quadrupled the wounding factor. This, of course was due to the inclusion of 3, 000 buck with the round ball loading.
Buck and ball loads are a LOT of fun in a pistol, Curl! I do understand some reluctance to shoot these beautiful pistols very much - however, to touch off a few shots from each, would indeed make them happy. A squib load of about 40gr. 2F should work just fine.
With bores that large, you can shine and even drop a small diameter flashlight down the bores to inspect the interiors from the muzzle end.
| Checkman |
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| 28/04/14 11:12 AM |
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Wow. Simply wow.
| Ash |
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| 28/04/14 09:55 PM |
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Can't wait for the field report.
That will depend on who wins the Virginian's first duel ...
I'd say he's being doing rather well! There's no roundballs in the case anymore
