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11/01/10 05:32 AM

i want a howda

but i refuse to use cabelas any help

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11/01/10 06:00 AM

Re: i want a howda

I got mine from Dixie

Get the 20x20
Mine prints side by side right over the bead at 30yds with a 70grain charge!!

Cheers
Tinker

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11/01/10 10:02 AM

Re: i want a howda

I certainly knew where there was an original .577 BPE double Hammer Howda available 6 months ago, would you like me to make the call and see if it is still available.?

Regards

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11/01/10 11:19 AM

Re: i want a howda

If Bwananelson does not want it or it is too much hassle to export, I am interested and in UK

Thanks for any help

TH44

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11/01/10 12:06 PM

Re: i want a howda

US IS MINE UK IS YOURS

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12/01/10 01:27 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

I got mine from Dixie

Get the 20x20
Mine prints side by side right over the bead at 30yds with a 70grain charge!!

Looks good!

PH0581 HOWDAH HUNTER PISTOL 20X20 $650.00

Classic large caliber double barrel pistol in the English gunsmith school style,used at close range to stop tigers which commonly leaped upon elephants carrying hunters in Howdah in the far away colonial territories. The stock is a three-quarter stock w/checkered pistol grip. European walnut w/satin finish. 20 ga. smoothbore double barrel, blued, tapered round - .985 at breeh to .825 at muzzle. Front sight is a brass bead. Barrel is 11 1/4" in length. Uses #11 percussion caps. Features color casehardened steel furniture which includes locks, buttcap, wedge plates, triggerplate, triggerguard & tang. Engraved lockplates (Rhino & scrolls on one - Leopard on other). Scroll engraving on hook breech tang & triggerplate. Overall length of pistol is 18 1/2". Uses a 1/4X28 nipple (NP1365). Recommended load is 25 grains of 2F black powder with 1 oz. shot. Manufactured in Italy by Pedersoli.

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12/01/10 03:57 AM

Re: i want a howda

Note the length of the nipple noses, which keep the hammers from curling over the fences. They are easily trimmed back such as these. Also a bit of file work behind the nipple seats can make the nipples 'stand proud' as they should be.
The reason for this modification is to make them look more pleasing to the eye, as the English pattern of nipple to hammer fit should be presented.

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12/01/10 02:37 PM

Re: i want a howda

Bramble,

I might have an interest. Can you provide details?

Thanks,
Curl

stephens@cfw.com

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12/01/10 03:25 PM

Re: i want a howda

I made the call today to the owner. It is out on consignment and he will ring me tomorrow and let me know if it is still there.

It is a Lancaster O/U and is in .577, I do not know if that is .577 BPE or a shorter pistol version. It is hard to imagine a .577 BPE pistol but they were tougher then.

I will post more information as I get it

Regards

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12/01/10 03:35 PM

Re: i want a howda

.600 roundball and 70gr FFg is manageable out of the Pedersoli.

Sounds Glorious!

Cheers
Tinker

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12/01/10 05:15 PM

Re: i want a howda

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=29212

English Double Barrel Percussion pistol by Thomas Lloyd of London. Sliding safeties and captive ramrod. Approximately .60 caliber. Barrel length is 6 ½” and overall length is 13”. Hammer spurs have been replaced. Has old sales tag. Overall in very good condition. $1,095.00 Item# AH2570 Request Info

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25/01/10 04:36 PM

Re: i want a howda

Terrific old hand cannons. Perhaps I'll break down and buy one of the new ones from Dixie.

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25/01/10 04:42 PM

Re: i want a howda

Checkman-

Go for the 20/20
You won't be disappointed!
Mine is a ripper and tons of fun to shoot.
I have pounds and pounds of roundball that I got ultra cheap from a shop that couldn't move it (new old commercial stock) so they sold it to me for about 1/4 the spot price of pure lead.

If you get one, get a roundball mould to go with it.

Cheers
Tinker

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01/02/10 05:24 AM

Re: i want a howda

BTW:
You can see a howdah pistol in last Sherlock Holmes film in hands of the Chief police.
Martin

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01/02/10 12:04 PM

Re: i want a howda

Glad this is back TTT

I apologise to all interested parties, I spoke to the owner of that gun today and totally forgot to ask if he had any news.

I will attend to it tomorrow, too much on my mind. Sorry to all.

Regards

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01/02/10 12:27 PM

Re: i want a howda

There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

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01/02/10 01:18 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

Hey, Huvius...great idea!

And...for a good kitchen-table and legal "user", pay Uncle Sam the $200 sucker stamp and make up a cheapy.

A Stoeger or some such double chopped to 8 inches with a pistol grip.

I've wanted such a user for a long time. What fun!

And tho Tink's is really the way top go, I think a 12 bore would be, well, interesting.

I had a 19-inch bbl'd, 4 lb H&R singleshot 12 bore that was the "Fat Girl", ie Tonzafun itself.

I think a 2.5 lb Modern Howdah legal enough to show off In Town would be a Hoot.

And in a holster on the hip while skiing would stop at least one wolf from humpin' my leg should such an eventuality present itself...

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01/02/10 01:59 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=29212

English Double Barrel Percussion pistol by Thomas Lloyd of London. Sliding safeties and captive ramrod. Approximately .60 caliber. Barrel length is 6 ½” and overall length is 13”. Hammer spurs have been replaced. Has old sales tag. Overall in very good condition. $1,095.00 Item# AH2570 Request Info

This gun is easily worth twice that in this country.

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01/02/10 02:23 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

As last seen in "Mad Max" (or "The Road Warrior"). Need a good set of leathers and a Pursuit car too.

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02/02/10 03:15 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

EXACTLY - not a difficult job, either. If wanting something more modern, for less than the cost of the 'new one', a person can pick up a used 12 bore side by side caplock, and build his own. Perhaps a week of evenings is all it takes to make the stock, another week for finishing and done. 12 bore Howdah!

The hardwood dealers usually have good walnut 'shrots', 2 1/2" side, X about 15X15" for around $20.00 to @30.00 with good figure. Cheap Pedersoli, Navy Arms or Armi
San Polo 12 bore - perhaps $100.00 to $300.00 for the used gun + the wood. All 'parts' are already there, whereas to buy a set of barrels, soldering ribs, good locks, triggers, trigger bar, trigger gaurd - about $1000.00 for parts or more.

A double 12 (or 10) bore Howdah would be a worthwile addition to one's belt - for maurading wolves, both 2 and 4 legged.

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11/02/10 07:45 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

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There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

As last seen in "Mad Max" (or "The Road Warrior"). Need a good set of leathers and a Pursuit car too.

Never has a cut down double shotgun looked so good. I saw Mad Max 2 way back in 1982 and I knew even back then (at the ripe old age of 14) I wanted a double shotgun. Just like Max. And the V8 Interceptor and leathers would be a nice bonus.

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11/02/10 12:04 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

Quote:

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There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

As last seen in "Mad Max" (or "The Road Warrior"). Need a good set of leathers and a Pursuit car too.

Never has a cut down double shotgun looked so good. I saw Mad Max 2 way back in 1982 and I knew even back then (at the ripe old age of 14) I wanted a double shotgun. Just like Max. And the V8 Interceptor and leathers would be a nice bonus.

1982 was 28 years ago. Now I can see the double shotgun and the V8, but do you really still want the leather pants ??

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11/02/10 01:03 PM

Re: i want a howda

Here. Same gun as cabelas sells, without going through cabelas. I want one myself but can't justify the money for it. They also offer it in kit form for a bit cheaper if you want to assemble it and finish the stock.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14020
Edit-I see I was beaten by quite a bit.

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11/02/10 02:30 PM

Re: i want a howda

wont even consider a cabelas product they just dont do things in a way i would trust to corperate back stabbing well i'll stop there the dixie model seems nice but a home built one with 58 conicals sound interesting

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11/02/10 03:16 PM

Re: i want a howda

Got mine through dixie as a kit.
Total ripper, glorious sound, FTW!

Cheers
Tinker

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11/02/10 09:08 PM

Re: i want a howda

Good Day,

On the subject Gentleman Howda Bout (pun intended) the Howda gun in the ghost in the darkness 577 Snider I think, I also Love the Lee Speed.

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11/02/10 10:46 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

Good Day,

On the subject Gentleman Howda Bout (pun intended) the Howda gun in the ghost in the darkness 577 Snider I think, I also Love the Lee Speed.

I think its a ml, looks like a D.Egg or similar travelpistol.

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21/02/10 12:24 AM

New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

Hi,
looks like Pedersoli made a good move.
Cabelas offer a .58" pistol.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...&hasJS=true

Martin

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21/02/10 12:58 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

I'm tempted, looks like a laugh, 4 1/2 pounds though ? maybe the barrels are too long. what would be the black powder/pyrodex charge ? are there moulds available ? best, Mike

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21/02/10 01:18 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

Quote:

I'm tempted, looks like a laugh, 4 1/2 pounds though ? maybe the barrels are too long. what would be the black powder/pyrodex charge ? are there moulds available ? best, Mike

A little shorter fortherend and barrels, and i would buy one.

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21/02/10 02:25 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

.58 cal. is well covered by many moulds in many slightly different close sizes, round ball and slugs as well as traditional minnie 'balls'. ie; .562, .570, 575, .580 - RB moulds - slug and minnie moulds from .575", .577", .580", .585".

Being a Pedersoli, it will probably shoot RB's best. I would use a .570" ball and .018" patch, or a .562" ball and .022" patch. Pistols usually don't shoot more than about 60gr. of powder and that will give a good charge. Pedersoli will tell you the max charge for the asking.

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21/02/10 02:46 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

I own one of the 20/20 smoothbore pedersoli howdah pistols, got it in kit from at Dixie.

It's truly a ripper with tightly patched .600 roundball on 70gr FFg Goex.
With this load it prints them right next to each other, right over the bead at 35 yards.

That powder load is essentially the same load I'd been running in one of the 16-bore rifles - had the old powder measure (dipper) from a cased set on the bench that day and 'filled her up' with Goex.
The sound is glorious.
The recoil is about what you'd expect, and the pistol handles very nicely.

The .58/.58 (with a 1/24" rate of twist, by the way) appears to be a new offering in the pedersoli line and I might have considered it when I got mine (couple or so years ago) but in retrospect I'm glad I got what I got as it's very consistent with the big powder charge, and it runs nicely as a shot-pistol with less powder and #5 shot.

In field terms, especially where it'd be practical - 35 yards is about the max distance you'd expect to encounter something needing a gunshot in the woods.
The 20/20 does it - and it's versatile.

Cheers
Tinker

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21/02/10 02:46 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

IMHO this is not a pistlo but a "pocket rifle" as you can also buy a detachable stock.
A good gun as coach gun.LOL.

Martin

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21/02/10 04:37 PM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

24" is the perfect twist for reasonable loads in a .58 Pistol with round ball.

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22/02/10 01:25 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

Martin-

Quote:

IMHO this is not a pistlo but a "pocket rifle" as you can also buy a detachable stock.

Where have you seen a detachable stock for the Pedersoli Howdah?
I haven't ever seen one.

Cheers
Tinker

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22/02/10 01:28 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

Quote:

IMHO this is not a pistlo but a "pocket rifle" as you can also buy a detachable stock.
A good gun as coach gun.LOL.

Martin

Martin

Do you have a link to these stocks? Thanks.

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22/02/10 03:10 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

This is it John:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?cmView=full&type=pod&id=0058399

I do not like the way is should be attaches and price is too high IMHO.

Martin

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22/02/10 03:19 AM

Re: New .58 Pedersoli Howdah pistol

Thanks.

Aussie members. Are these legal in Australia and using what sort of club membership?

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22/02/10 07:37 PM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

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There are plenty of tired back action hammer shotguns around.
Why not build a roundball smoothbore howdah from one?

As last seen in "Mad Max" (or "The Road Warrior"). Need a good set of leathers and a Pursuit car too.

Never has a cut down double shotgun looked so good. I saw Mad Max 2 way back in 1982 and I knew even back then (at the ripe old age of 14) I wanted a double shotgun. Just like Max. And the V8 Interceptor and leathers would be a nice bonus.

1982 was 28 years ago. Now I can see the double shotgun and the V8, but do you really still want the leather pants ??

No I could live without the leather trousers.

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23/02/10 03:36 AM

Re: i want a howda

because here it would be illegal....with a shotgun barrels have to be 18"

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23/02/10 04:10 AM

Re: i want a howda

A double 12 bore handgun purposely made as a handgun would be OK - here. To cut down a shotgun, even re-stocking it, would make it prohibited - ei; sawed off shotgun.

You can shorten a shotgun to an overall length of 24"(which is really shot and 'nasty' looking, but it must still be designed to be shot with two hands -ie: visible and useable butt stock. This means the barrels could be very short.

However - first cop or game officer who sees it will confiscate it - gauranteed. You'll get it back, but it will be gone and you might even get a ride in the back seat of his/her car. At least, if a game officer sees it, they'll call the police and hold you until a PC arrives.

No explaining on legal lengths will work - they aren't interested in what's right or wrong according to the law - only that that shotgun has been cut off and looks bad enough it should be illegal - such is the system here.

Legal barrel lengths are subject to semi-auto's only - 18 1/2".

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23/02/10 08:28 AM

Re: i want a howda

and leather pants at our age should also be.................. illegal.................

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24/02/10 04:14 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

and leather pants at our age should also be.................. illegal.................

Amen. I don't even wear blue jeans anymore. If I need work trousers I pull on a pair of Carharts. A few weeks ago my kids were watching old videos of my wife and I. The videos were from 1988/1989. I saw myself running around in very tight 501 Levi jeans. Good god! I don't remember those being like that. I do remember all the hair that used to be on top of my head however.

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24/02/10 04:44 AM

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25/02/10 01:37 AM

Re: i want a howda

Cal Pappas with howdah

577 Snyder

posted from the Shooting in Alaska thread.

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28/02/10 03:13 AM

Re: i want a howda

now thats what i call sweet

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12/03/10 09:29 AM

Re: i want a howda

I chronoed some rounds through that Wilkinson today and got an average of 608fps for 5 shots from the right barrel, for 369 ft-lb of energy. That is with 70gns of Goex Fg under a 450 grain bullet, and from a 7" barrel.

The left barrel has a much much lighter trigger pull and I was able to get groups of 1.25" at 15 yards. The right was much larger, and also printed much higher and to the right than the left barrel.

The gun weighs 2lb 9 ounces and has 7" barrels. I'm going to try FFg out of curiosity, but think I'll stick to these loads for normal use to minimize wear. I'm also having a slightly larger mold made up (.592" and 500 grains w/solid nose) with a hollow point pin so I can vary the weight a bit. I doubt it will make much difference for a gun designed to shoot things at arms length, but worth a try.

I'll post the results here as I figure out more about this interesting piece of history.

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12/03/10 06:49 PM

Re: i want a howda

I have a new 455 grn .590 hollow base mold thats crying out to be used.. Call me Rob.

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13/03/10 03:56 AM

Re: i want a howda

Many original "percussion" side by sides, 12's, 14's, 16's and 20's have very good breeches, while the barrels might have deep dents or rust-through areas.

Chopping these barrels off at 10" to 14" will leave a good set of tubes, already joined and breeched, along with a useable double barreled tang. Re-solder (or JB) filling the ends of the ribs and replacing the bead leaves a good basis for making a Howdah pistol - completely legal - here.

A set of back-action or side locks are available from Track, along with triggers, trigger plate, gaurd, etc.

It's a simple build for anyone used to using chisels and a draw knife.

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26/10/10 10:34 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

because here it would be illegal....with a shotgun barrels have to be 18"

The above would be correct if it were a modern cartridge firearm. However, this is a muzzleloader, and not subject to the Federal 18" minimum bbl length for a smoothbore with a butstock.

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26/10/10 02:51 PM

Re: i want a howda

I'd hand it to the tiger and let them fight it out.

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27/10/10 06:41 AM

Re: i want a howda

How 'bout this? I've got a Westley Richards 10-gauge double made in 1872. I'm in it $1500. It shows it's age.

Whack the bbls down to, oh say, 9-10". Grind out a Howdah stock. Winchester sells BP 10-g. loads. Buck & Ball?

Or, should I leave the gun alone.

I'm really in need of a Howda. The tigers are gathering at my windows as I speak.
(You doubt me? I live in Las Vegas. Many, many tigers here.)

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27/10/10 07:40 AM

Re: i want a howda

I would love a Howdah too.

Or a .577" revolver. I am thinking of a Webley style revolver, using a short case, perhaps pushing a 600 grain bullet to 650 fps.

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27/10/10 07:41 AM

Re: i want a howda

Here is an off the shelf Howdah:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/?item=ArmiCategoriaDettaglio&CategoriaId=129&lang=en

Maybe you should try one out before chopping that shotgun up.

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27/10/10 07:45 AM

Re: i want a howda

Another brand:

http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/HOWDAH-HUNTER-PISTOL-116p1194.htm

another:

http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/PDBC.SHTML

oldie:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=36785

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27/10/10 08:27 AM

Re: i want a howda

I want this one:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=30933

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28/10/10 04:25 AM

Re: i want a howda

Quote:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=29212

English Double Barrel Percussion pistol by Thomas Lloyd of London. Sliding safeties and captive ramrod. Approximately .60 caliber. Barrel length is 6 ½” and overall length is 13”. Hammer spurs have been replaced. Has old sales tag. Overall in very good condition. $1,095.00 Item# AH2570 Request Info

$650.00 for the Pedersoli - this one is well worth the extra $400.00. Well and properly made. Just about the same calibre as well and will shoot patched .570" to .575" balls.

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29/10/10 06:47 AM

Re: i want a howda

The Thomas Lloyd Howdah is no longer in the catalog. I'm working on buying a repop from middlesexvillagetrading.com. $345 - not too bad for a percussion Howdah.

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03/11/10 05:10 AM

Re: i want a howda

Illegal to do here in the states.
Cutting one that short would get one into deep er, stuff.

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05/11/10 11:47 PM

Re: i want a howda

now on sale with the creeps at cabelas 499

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