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Harrowing Howdah Hunting, Howdahs, Howdah Guns and Pistols, pinched from elsewhere on the forums and the net. Enjoy! The Howdah Discussion Thread - click here Oh ..... ! From this thread The Howdah Discussion Thread - click here |
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Greener side lever howdah pistol, 1870-1890? chambered for the .577 service cartridge? From this thread |
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Wilkinson howdah pistol with a side lever From this thread |
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Magnificant pair of double barrel 14-bore howdah pistols by Mortimer. Quote: From this discussion thread Some photos added to fb |
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A. Hollis & Son 12-bore Howdah ejector rifle This 12-bore has 2 3/4 inch chambers proved for cordite and 750 gr bullet. Invisible rifled 23 inch barrels. Ejectors, rib extensionwith a blind Breener cross-bolt. One quarter rib with four folding leaves and night sight to 300 yards. Fitted for original claw mounts. 7 ibs 6 oz unscoped. From this discussion thread Added to fb |
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12-bore Howdah Rifle Quote: Quote: Quote: Photos borrowed from Marrakai's article, to read the full article - click here. Discussion thread on NE, click here. |
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And from Marrakai's article, a time when the Howdah rifle would have come in handy! But maybe one of these ... ... for this ... Read more of Marrakai's article here. Discussion thread here. |
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Pair of Rodda .577's on auction currently. Go for it guys! From this thread |
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Jos. Lang Howdah in .577 From Atkin Grant & Lang Website Joseph Lang Until 1812 Joseph Lang worked for Alexander Wilson of 1 Vigo Lane, who subsequently moved to 14 Titchbourne St, Piccadilly. In 1821 he set up on his own and in 1825 was recorded as Joseph Lang Gun and Pistol Repository (from Wilson's Warehouse, Vigo La.) at 7 Haymarket and was to stay there for more than a quarter of a century. In 1826 he had something of a commercial coup, as he was able to advertise in the Morning Chronicle of 8 June the entire stock of guns of the bankrupt Joseph Manton after he had to leave his Oxford St premises. He opened a 21 yard shooting gallery adjoining the premises in early January 1827, one of the earliest recorded shooting schools. In 1830-34 Joseph took delivery of 84 guns, rifles and pistols from James Purdey on sale or return, all of which were quickly sold. Joseph obviously got on well with Purdey; indeed he got on even better with one of his four daughters, whom he subsequently married, making the younger James Purdey his brother-in-law. Just before leaving his Haymarket premises he exhibited at the Great Exhibition and was very impressed with a French Lefaucheaux gun, so much so that in 1856 he introduced his own version using the Houillier pin-fire cartridge system. His marketing of this design and subsequent improvements to it have resulted in Lang's name being forever linked to the introduction of breech loading sporting firearms into Great Britain. In 1853 he moved to 22 Cockspur St, Charing Cross, the last premises he personally was to occupy. I his life he not only brought us the breech loader, but he became a driving force in popularising lemon and white pointers and also the idea of field trials for dogs. After his death, his son, also Joseph, ran the business, although it appears that the name was not changed to Joseph Lang & Son until 1875. Young Joseph, perhaps as a result of the kinship through marriage, had been apprenticed to the younger James Purdey in 1845 and such expert training helped to ensure the continuing success of the firm. After the move to 10 Pall Mall in 1890, Lang brought out the Vena Contracta gun, the brainchild of H Phillips (shooting editor of The Field magazine), which fired a 12 bore cartridge in a barrel which was contracted to a 20 bore gauge during the first third of its length. However it was not a great success, as the weight advantage gained was offset by increased recoil and indifferent performance and many of these guns were subsequently re-barrelled. Eight years later, the business of James Lang & Co. was to be taken over. This was the result of young Joseph's brother, having set up on his own in 1887 and that business now being returned to the fold. The business was briefly renamed Joseph Lang & Co Ltd and it moved to 102 New Bond St, which had been James Lang & Co.'s premises. With that move came the change of name on 28 June 1898 to Lang & Hussey Ltd which was retrained until 27 June 1901 when it reverted to Joseph Lang & Son Ltd. On 14 January 1902 one the directors, a Capt. Bartle Grant, wrote from Malta to resign. He was in financial difficulties and the company had considerable problems recovering an outstanding account for a gun which he had pawned. In February 1904 the company applied for a provisional patent for an armour piercing projectile in the joint names of Mr LM Ames and Joseph Lang & Son Ltd. In 1904 it sent 12 guns to the St Louis Exhibition in the USA. It also did work for the Automatic Rifle Syndicate Ltd, trying to improve the product without success and had difficulty in recovering the money since the syndicate was in financial trouble. In 1906, as a result of the need for more production space, it took over the three-storey building immediately behind the Bond St. shop. On 29 October 1913, Dryden & white's patent rights in their o/u gun were assigned to the company and formed the basis of the Lang 'Under and Over' gun. In February 1914, the company set up a five-year agreement with Abercrombie & Fitch of New York for it to be sole USA agent and this was hoped to improve Lang's indifferent trading performance. Interestingly, the rent of 102 New Bond St at that stage was renewed for a further six years, three years at £475 per annum and the following three at £500 per annum payable quarterly! The company remained under the name Joseph Lang & son Ltd at the Bond St address until 1925 amalgamation with the business of Stephen Grant & Sons. This formed the basis of the major London gunmaking combine of Stephen Grant & Joseph Lang Ltd at 7 Bury St, St James's under the guidance of succeeding generations of the Robson family. Surviving records show that in 1933 their joint customer list contained eight dukes, 254 lords, 206 ladies, 73 service personnel, 6,322 members of the British public and 151 overseas customers! The history of Henry Atkin, Stephen Grant and Joseph Lang is shown by kind permission of Nigel Brown, taken from his book 'London Gunmakers'. A word from the present owner, Ken Duglan I served my apprenticeship with Atkin Grant & Lang over thirty years ago. In my wildest dreams I could never have imagined that one day I would be fortunate enough not only to be part of, but to run such an exceptional company. We make guns today the way they have always been made, by using fine craftsmen. I like to think that Henry, Stephen and Joseph would be content in the knowledge that their names still embellish very fine guns. From this thread. Added to fb |
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Howdah Tiger attack - when the Howdah pistol comes in handy Tiger Howdah Attack! 1 mb MP3 video file From this video thread |
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The Howdah Discussion Thread - click here |
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.577 Snider Howdah Pistol Cal Pappas with his Howdah pistol. .577 Snyder From this thread, and this thread. The Howdah Discussion thread - click here |
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Holland & Holland Howdah in .577 Join in on this discussion thread |
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Howdah 66 cal by D.Egg - sidelock Howdah 20-bore by Hollis - boxlock Join in the discussion thread here The Howdah Discussion thread - click here |
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Fancy wooden howdah seat https://a.1stdibscdn.com/19th-century-bu...4042_master.jpg 19th Century Burmese Elephant Howdah Seat A$2,616.83 https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/seatin.../id-f_20274042/ Polished. Might be slippery and slidey! |
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What is a howdah pistol? https://qsy-complains-a-lot.tumblr.com/post/619897524166246400/what-is-a-howdah-pistol Howdah pistols were handguns adapted or designed to the specific requirements of hunting Indian wild game from a platform on the back of an elephant, also known as a howdah. The sport became a favorite pastime of upper-class Britons during the crown rule of India, starting as early as the late 18th century with flintlock weapons. It quickly became apparent then that not only could the wildlife fight back by climbing the ass-end of your elephant to maul you in your silly little basket, but that said basket was then way to small to properly use your hunting gun in. The only solution, aside from not risking your life and that of others for pelts and bragging rights, was to create a shorter more maneuverable weapon yet still capable of dealing with a tiger. Hunters simply took to shortening their rifles into high-powered handguns, before gunsmiths back in England took notice and started crafting them as such. https://64.media.tumblr.com/3782b72c7cb8...465868a704a.jpg Pedersoli replicas of a flintlock hunting carbine and its shortened howdah pistol version. Howdah pistols as such were rifle-powered handguns made from hunting long arms or using similar layouts as if they’d been, more often than not boasting several barrels to give their users quick follow-up shots on target. Both these features made howdah pistols very simple, sturdy weapons, which they needed to be as any misfire could spell the death of their wearers. Howdah hunting was popular all throughout the British Raj and as such many weapons were converted or made following these specifications. Wilkinson-made howdah pistol chambered in .577 Because they were made using rifle calibers, fired more rapidly than single-shot pistols and with more powers than early revolvers, and followed more than a hundred years of firearm evolution from flintlocks to caplocks to metallic cartridges, howdah pistols were also used by these same upper-class Britons when it came time to bring some kind of a sidearm to a colonial war. Up until the adoption of the .455 Webley revolvers by the British army, such handguns were allegedly the only reliable way to stop a local charging at you. The Lancaster’s four barrels and single double-action trigger gave it unmatched firepower at the time. what is what are gun weapon firearm history military history howdah howdah gun british great britain india indian british raj 852 notes Jun 3rd, 2020 |
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https://gunsmagazine.com/guns/handguns/pedersoli-howdah/ Pedersoli Howdah Built For The Final Charge Written By Roy Huntington Discover Hunting Handguns Other 2021 The Pedersoli Howdah — a fun gun to own and shoot, even if you’re not worried about maneaters attacking your elephant! The breeze had stalled and the heat began to pound at the sweating men in the howdah. Their pith helmets were damp, hot and uncomfortable in the sun. The elephant’s gait jostled as they moved through the jungle trail. Sir Reginald Humphries, British Commanding Officer of Her Majesty’s troops in this part of India, his Batman, Wilkins and their mahout riding on the elephant’s neck were hunting tiger. Or Was The Tiger Hunting Them? “I don’t like it, I don’t like it at all,” muttered Sir Reginald. “Blast it, we had him and now he’s vanished like the ghost the villagers say he is. Keep the pistol handy, Wilkins.” Wilkins held the Holland & Holland .577 Snider pistol, only introduced the year before in 1867, but Sir Reginald was known for having the best when it came to hunting. The short, fat, double barrels held the same cartridge as the Snider-Enfield military rifles. Its hefty 480-grain lead bullet carried a lethal sledgehammer-like blow at the muzzle-contact distance, the exact situation the Howdah pistol was created for. Indeed, shooting a rampaging tiger off the flanks of an elephant is something Sir Reginald had done before. Wilkins hoped he didn’t have to do it today. Sir Reginald signaled for the mahout to stop the elephant. A low, throaty, gravelly growl oozed from the thickness nearby. “He’s too damn close, too close, blast him … I knew it. He’s hunting us now. Wilkins,” Sir Reginald’s hand reached out. “Hand me the pistol … quickly man!” British Colonial Rule During the 19th century, the British kept India on a short-leash and the country was filled with British officers on station along with monied British society men, all bent on hunting tigers and other game. They often hunted using the same techniques the local Rajas had used for generations — a howdah-equipped elephant. The howdah was simply a platform securely held on an elephant’s back. They were sometimes built-up on the sides with protective barriers to keep tigers at bay. They could also be very elaborate, if royalty was hunting, or more utilitarian, as situations dictated. The British were keen on “the hunt” and the strong British “bespoke” gunmakers like Westley Richards, Purdey, Holland & Holland, Manton, Rigby et. al kept them supplied with custom rifles, shotguns, handguns — and eventually, dedicated howdah pistols. The first howdah pistols were simply cut-down military rifles, often worn-out guns with the barrels shot out. The toe-to-toe engagement distances battling tigers from the back of an elephant didn’t require much accuracy but as much stopping power as possible. The big bore military rifles of the time seemed perfect — but hunters soon found cutting a rifle down often left a poorly balanced tool, dangerous when response has to be lightning fast. Enter The Howdah Pistol Between 1835 and about 1850 Westley Richards made a very heavy single-barreled caplock pistol in .722 caliber specifically for defending your life in a howdah. As cartridge technology evolved, other makers got on board, chambering their various designs as muzzle loaders, then pinfires and eventually centerfires. The final iterations of the classic howdah are large bore centerfire cartridge guns, most often double barreled with external hammers. There are some without external hammers but they are rare. I think the idea of the external hammers is to simplify things. You “know” the gun is cocked and ready when the hammers are back. Most had very rudimentary sights, often just a bead near the muzzle. We’re talking arm-distance or closer so no sights are really needed. Period hunting literature did make a point to say “… use extreme caution so the mahout is not killed, as then the elephant would be out of control.” Well … there’s that too. Keep in mind, at the time, the only real alternative would have been Colt-style muzzle loading revolvers like the 1851 .36 cal. Navy or the various .44 designs, and European revolvers chambered in rim- or pin-fire cartridges of .38 or .45 caliber. None of them would have been very effective stopping a tiger intent on eating your mahout. The sights are basic, but so is the gun. Roy found them adequate for the toe-touching distances the gun was made for. Enter Pedersoli Why make a howdah today? Frankly, there’s no good reason at all, which makes it all the more unique, interesting and fun. The main reason is simply to enjoy a bit of what I think we can simply call “living” history. Why do we still make single action revolvers? Or single shot .22 rifles? Or any number of other antique designs? There’s no “need” for any of them and any plastic or aluminum platform will likely outperform the other designs — but we know the siren song of history beckons and one sure way to sing along is by using the guns of the day. Pedersoli’s design has elements of the originals, blended with modern technology. I think had it been offered 150 years ago, it would have been chambered in a larger bore, centerfire rifle cartridge because I think the .45 Colt might be marginal when it comes to stopping charging tigers. We could argue loading it with a Buffalo Bore 300-grain hard cast bullet at 1,400 fps would do the job — and it likely would — but it’d not be the first thing I’d choose were I to step foot in a howdah today. Nonetheless, it’s a delightful bit of whimsy to hold, shoot and experience. It’s all steel, with a hard-chrome finish and painted wood stocks, while the action is essentially two single-barreled pistols put together. That was the whole idea of double rifles to begin with. Two barrels, two hammers, two triggers, two action springs — two separate rifles — just in case one broke at a critical moment. Explanations Chambered in .45 Colt, it’s actually bored to also chamber .410 shotgun shells. Barrels are 10.25" and rifled, keeping it out of the “short barreled shotgun” category. It’s about 17" long, weighing a bit more than 4 lbs. empty. It’s got a brass bead front and a sort of simple “V” notch rear blade assembly. The triggers each control one barrel and yes — you can shoot them simultaneously if you like. It’s actually not very dramatic due to the weight. The safety is on the tang and comfy to use. Once broken open with the side-lever on top, cartridges or shotgun shells chamber easily and extract the same way. The edges are a bit sharp on the ejector as is the case with many Italian guns and I’d stone them a touch if I were keeping it — but it was only something I noticed and didn’t affect usability at all. Overall workmanship is top-notch and parts fit as well as you could expect. I think the black-painted stock is a matter of taste and while it does look “tactical” with the hard chrome, I’d like it more left as natural walnut. Your taste may vary though. Takedown is like any double barrel shotgun or rifle, making cleaning easy. Stocks are painted walnut but Roy feels natural wood would be nice too — maybe even better? Accuracy? Well now, I’m not quite sure if it matters. While British officers were known to take their howdah pistols into battle at times, distances even then would be measured in feet. Since this gun is simply made for fun, I’d say the same applies. Could you use it for home defense or some such? Well, of course, just like you could use a club or a spear in a pinch, but there are better tools to rely on. The howdah is heavy, awkward to hold in one hand and the manual of arms to load it is a bit fussy. The “break-open” takes two hands and firm grips and I found a strike on my thigh helped to break it open expeditiously. You need to extract the empties, re-load each barrel, close it down (two hands again), make sure the safety is off, try to aim the beast — I used my off-hand on the fore-stock — then remember to pull two different triggers. Repeat as needed. Give me a Charter Arms .38 any day if things were serious. But — and this is the big one — it’s absolutely nearly as much fun as law allows, plus it raises eyes to high heaven when people see it. “What the bajesus is that thing!?” they say. “It’s a howdah pistol,” you say smiling. “A what?” they say, eyebrows raised. Then the game is afoot. It’s fun, trust me. Out of curiosity more than any sense of practical use, I bag-rested the howdah at 15 yards. Using Black Hills factory .45 Colt cowboy loads that were handy, recoil was virtually zero. Even heavy 300-grain hunting loads barely caused a stir. The right barrel, aimed at the target’s center, sent three of the rounds into a nice, 1″ group about 6″ high and centered, then tossed two into the bull area but just to the right a couple of inches. Oddly enough, the left barrel also hit about 6″ high, but the group was a nicely rounded 3.5″ and about 3″ to the left. The bead sight does make things a bit guessy but I strove to be consistent. I repeated the drill several times and it always worked out the same. The right barrel would shoot a few into a group, then randomly toss a couple into another spot. The left sent them into the same area all the time. But who cares? I predict if Sir Reginald fired it, he’d pronounce it “Bloody fine, but don’t you have one in a serious caliber, lad?” Make this in .45-70 and possibly better sights just for the helluvit and you might have just invented a new fun gun, especially if the barrels can be regulated a bit tighter. And? Yes, it’s a winner. At about $1,395 give or take, it’s not cheap but it’s not too expensive. You could spend this on a nice, modern polymer fancy-auto and exactly nobody would give it a second glance at the range. Spend the same amount on the howdah and be prepared to be inundated with questions, pitches to shoot it — “Oh, please!” — and the stares of people who don’t know quite what to think. All the more reason to wear a pith helmet when you shoot it. “Oh, he must be English?” And, if you get attempted borders en route home from the range, you can repel the savage brutes in high fashion. Just don’t shoot your mahout. ItalianFirearmsGroup.com Black-Hills.com |
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Lang Howdah pistol in .577 Jones underlever, back action, Damascus barrels. Credit RB |
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Rock Island Auction has a Rigby howdah pistol as its Item 3433. See https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail...-577-cartridge. RIA believes that this pistol will sell for between $7,500 & $11,000. This pistol is describes as follows: Lot 3433: John Rigby & Co. Howdah Double Barrel Pistol in .577 Cartridge Auction Date: August 27, 2023 Originally developed by dangerous game hunters in India, the Howdah pistol is named for the elaborate elephant-mounted saddle/carriage that tiger hunters would shoot from. In general, Howdah pistols are large caliber handguns and many have two or more barrels. The gunsmiths of London, such as John Rigby & Co, responded to this new demand with purpose and built large-bore pistols with enough power to stop tigers dead in its tracks. This example has dovetailed blade and three leaf rear sights on a solid rib signed "JOHN RIGBY & Co. DUBLIN & LONDON." A fine scroll and border engraved motif is featured on the frame, hammers, upper tang, and barrel wedge escutcheons. An engraved tiger is featured on each lock plate. The barrel release lever is located ahead of the trigger guard. The barrels are brown Damascus, the hammers and trigger guard are blue, and the remaining surfaces are casehardened. The stock and forearm are checkered, and the butt cap is horn. Fine as professionally refinished overall. The barrels retain 99% plus of the brown Damascus. The hammers and trigger guard retain 98% of the blue finish with an area of minor spotting. The remaining surfaces retain 95% of the case colors. The wood is also fine with sharp recut checkering overall. Mechanically excellent. Discussion thread: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=378165&an=&page=0&vc=1 |