| JohnTheGreek |
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For those interested, here is a thread relating to the new Pedersoli Howdah . The weapon is allegedly currently in production though neither Dixie Gun Works nor Pedersoli shows it on their web-sites. They are available in either .50x.50, .50x20 bore, or a pair of smooth 20 bores. I personally would have done some things differently with the design and just made them as .72 cal. guns but we as beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
Best,
John
| Charles_Helm |
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I'd like to see one for breech-loading centerfire (break action), but perhaps that is just me.
I thought they looked a bit long for howdah's but am not an expert.
I have read that you can cut the .72 cal guns down and restock, but DO NOT take my word for it, consult the applicable regulatory authorities.
In any event, it is a neat idea and I appreciate the post.
| degoins |
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| 14/02/07 05:51 AM |
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ooooooooooooooo man i want one!!!!
| Taos |
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| 14/02/07 10:01 AM |
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I will have to have one of those!!!!!!
NitroX
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I think these are going to sell real well.
I would like one in .58 to match the long arm (or a .72 as mentioned).
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Interested to see how the 20b does with roundball
I'd prefer to see back action locks.
Much prefer those back action locks behind a Jones underlever
--Tinker
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Just released the Pedersoli Howdah
Pedersoli Howdah Hunter
Howdah Hunter Pistol
Classic large caliber double barrel pistol in the English gunsmith school style, used at close range to stop tigers which commonly leaped upon elephants carrying hunters in a Howdah in the far away colonial territories. During the first British colony government period in India, starting from 1840, the Howdah pistols were preferred by the army officers detached in the widest territories of the Empire. Blued barrels. Engraved locks featuring wide animals in their natural habitat, case hardened colour finish. The walnut pistol grip stock is checkered and finished with a steel butt cap.
S.359 Howdah Hunter Pistol Combo Percussion model
Caliber 20 x .50
Grooves 12
Twist
mm 450
inches 1:18
Barrel Length
mm 285
inches 11 1/4
Overall Length
mm 470
inches 18 1/2
Weight
kg 2.3
lbs 5.07
Our bullet code USA 520-490
Our bullet mould USA 307-490
S.358 Howdah Hunter Pistol Percussion model
Caliber .20 & .50
Grooves Smooth and 12
Twist
mm 450
inches 1:18
Barrel Length
mm 285
inches 11 1/4
Overall Length
mm 470
inches 18 1/2
Weight
kg 2 & 2.3
lbs 4.41 & 5.07
Our bullet code USA 520-490
Our bullet mould USA 307-490
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| 26/10/07 01:05 PM |
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PS I want one.
| Mike_McGuire |
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| 26/10/07 03:54 PM |
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PS I want one.
Ditto.....I have just become interested in handguns.
| Marrakai |
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| 26/10/07 06:12 PM |
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A beaver-tail stock on a howdah pistol?
Good grief.....
What were they thinking!
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| 26/10/07 09:38 PM |
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I'd prefer to see back action locks.
Much prefer those back action locks behind a Jones underlever
--Tinker
Right on! The bar action locks just don't quite get it.
If I were to buy one of these (and I might) I would re-finish the barrels to brown. The blue finish is bogus.
Wouldn't it be nice to have damascus barrels?
.58 cal should be made in this for sure.
Curl
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| 27/10/07 08:01 AM |
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You guys are hard to please.
| DarylS |
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| 28/10/07 08:27 AM |
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Interesing to see and they deserve congratulations for bringing out this pistol - however. It is evident Pedersoli still does not know the reason for fences behind the nipples. The hammer noses are suppoed to curl over the fences before engaging the nipple - they got it wrong in the 70's and still are producing it wrong, 30 years later - obviously they know didly squat about doing the job properly. This is kin to polititions make hunting laws.
; One more cut with a milling machine before drilling and tapping the nipples is all that was necessary for them to get it right - When they get this simple aspect of breeching down right, then I'll consider buying one of their guns. Were it not for this goof on breeching, I'd have purchased their 12 bore side by side long ago.
; Here's a proper breech.
: Here's another one.
| mehulkamdar |
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| 29/10/07 06:16 AM |
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When the Pedersoli ML double rifles retail for $ 800 this should be a fairly inexpensive "howdah" pistol to buy. I can see the experts here are not impressed with the design and its lack of attention to authentic howdah pistols - perhaps, we need to look at this as what it is: a cheap interpretation of a howdah pistol from Pedersoli, one that could be shot and abused as the owner pleases without any worry about damaging a valuable old gun.
Even as a learner and happy non expert, I can see the point in buying one if someone has a 50 Pedersoli double ML though the other calibre selections do seem to be weird. I'll check with Cabelas when they would have these out. It might be fun to have one of them even if they are not an authentic design.
Good hunting, everyone!
| Tatume |
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| 29/10/07 06:38 AM |
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Mehul,
My biggest problem with the Pedersoli Howdah is the caliber. Why would they call such a small-bore gun a howdah? The experience of shooting a howdah is of firing a ball that reminds one of a golf ball :-). I believe Ross Siefried wrote an article on shooting a couple of howdahs once.
To be fair, I believe it was Hamilton Bowen who built a howdah revolver! It was only .51 - .52 caliber, though he had to get permission from BATFE to build it, and could not offer it for sale. In a modern cartridge, it was considerably more powerful than a black-powder, patched-ball gun of similar caliber, though. If I recall correctly, it was built on a Ruger Redhawk.
Take care, Tom
| mehulkamdar |
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| 29/10/07 06:50 AM |
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Tom,
I fully agree with you. Its just that these guns look like a fun companion gun to have to a Pedersoli double rifle - the name used by Pedersoli is inapt and so is the design from the many posts criticising it here. I guess Pedersoli got carried away because in today's smokeless era a 50 cal is a "big" calibre. Illinois state legislators even tried to ban 50 cal muzzleloaders recently and they may well try to do this again in 2008, so Pedersoli are not the only nut cases with these ideas, I guess.
One fine gentleman who tried to revive the Howdah Gun idea in the late 70s was Lee Jurras and I had some communication with him some time ago. A really nice man and he used Contender frames to build some really nice looking guns. Then, J D Jones took over and he has been making Contenders and Encores and Hamilton Bowen being another great genius would have decided to build Howdah Revolvers using his revolver making expertise... Would you have any pictures of Mr Bowen's Howdah Revolvers? Please do post them here if you do.
Thanks and good hunting!
| szihn |
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| 29/10/07 07:18 AM |
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I have a barrel and a breach plug for a Howdah pistol that I hope to make some day.
It's 4 bore.
It will be muzzleloading and have a backaction lock. Stocked in very hard walnut.
It's just a "fun project" and not an order. So I have not gone ahead with it yet, but it would be truly impressive when it's done.
Need someone with a very small brain to test fire a full charge in it for me.
No experience necessary.
| beleg2 |
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| 29/10/07 07:59 AM |
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Some time ago I made a smooth boer single barrel Howdah pistol 12 bore, proof to shot round ball over 100gn of FFFg.
Not very traditional as it was an underhammer pistol. It looks impresive and shoots OK.
I will try to post some pictures if it is any interested.
Thanks
Martin
| degoins |
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See, I told yall Steve was the devil!!!
| szihn |
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| 31/10/07 06:06 AM |
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Naw............. I’m a nice guy.
Really!
Everyone is always happy around me, all the time.
(or they will be beaten until they cheer up)
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| 31/10/07 01:13 PM |
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Quote:
I have a barrel and a breach plug for a Howdah pistol that I hope to make some day.
It's 4 bore.
It will be muzzleloading and have a backaction lock. Stocked in very hard walnut.
It's just a "fun project" and not an order. So I have not gone ahead with it yet, but it would be truly impressive when it's done.
Need someone with a very small brain to test fire a full charge in it for me.
No experience necessary.
Lots of us like that here!
Can't wait to see the video.
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| 31/10/07 02:13 PM |
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I believe Ross Siefried wrote an article on shooting a couple of howdahs once.
If anyone has that article if they could do a high quality scan and email it to me at
Files AT NitroExpress.com
it would be much appreciated. Please modify the above email address by using an @ and removing the spaces.
I will post the article up on NE.com if the scan is good enough to display at least for a temporary period.
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| 31/10/07 02:15 PM |
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Some time ago I made a smooth boer single barrel Howdah pistol 12 bore, proof to shot round ball over 100gn of FFFg.
Not very traditional as it was an underhammer pistol. It looks impresive and shoots OK.
I will try to post some pictures if it is any interested.
Thanks
Martin
Yes please. Or send them to me at
Files AT NitroExpress.com
(modify to remove the spaces and use an @ in the address)
| beleg2 |
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| 01/11/07 07:56 AM |
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I can not find my pictures yet.
as soon as I get them or take some new pictures I will try to post them.
Thanks
Martin
| b1acksmith |
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| 14/11/07 04:28 AM |
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Howdah or Traveling Pistol, it all depends on what you want to use it for (see last picture). I consider the long barreled ones traveling pistols since Howdah pistols are ment to be in a holster in the Howdah and short to manouver in a small space. They are also always large caliber (.577+) in order to get enough UMPH to knock a tiger out of your lap with a load of BP. I have several articles on them and own the first one below (an H&H .600 smoothbore). They kick like the devil and I would not want to be in front of one. If the Pedersoli is not too expensive, I would want it in 20 bore (a lot of Howdahs are smooth since distance is measured in paw length rather than meters). to cut down, brown it and just age it up a little.
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Tom
I found the article by Ross Siefried ( Giant Stoppers ) in Guns & Ammo- High Power Handguns
He touched on the Howdah in this story ,but it was more on 577 revolvers by Bland & Tranter
Also the revolver by Bowen in "577" that looked like giant model 10 S&W as you said on a Ruger Redhawk
that you cannot get with out a destructive device class 3 license .I was after a 577 Tranter here ,but when I tracked the owner down it had been stolen in a break in !
I sure would love a 577 revolver followed by 577 D/B Howdah !!
Thanks
| DarylS |
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Guns and Ammo did a feature article on Howdah pistols back in the 70's. It was excellent, BTW, with 3 or 4 guns being fetured. One was a side by side 12 bore, and another, a 4 barreled .577 Snider. I believe the other was a double 16 bore. Both 'bore' guns were both rifled and a block of concrete was blasted with the 12 bore for fun - great stuff.
: I may have to dig out the Digest to re-read that one.
; The Tranter that Ross used for the article would make a fun 'conversation piece' in the staff room of a police station, if worn by a memeber. Big holster, too.
| Marrakai |
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| 14/11/07 11:10 PM |
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Sounds like the article "Frontier Manstoppers" from 1972, in which Howard French described a bunch of howdah pistols, claiming them to be "man-stoppers". Bit of a crock, really, but perhaps he just didn't know any better.
A worthwhile article by Seyfried detailed a lovely best-quality howdah pistol by Dougall, built on the lock-fast action. If I get time, I'll dig out the article: either Handloader or Rifle a few years ago. Anyone else have the reference...?
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| 14/11/07 11:34 PM |
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Marrakai,
The Seyfried article about the Dugall was in Double Gun Journal. I don't know if it was in another publication as well. It was a great article and made me lust for just such a howdah.
It was a rifled 16 bore, as I remember, and was on a lockfast action. Quite a fine piece.
Curl
| Marrakai |
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| 14/11/07 11:57 PM |
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Thanks Curl, my memory must be at fault (I blame the grog!
)Anyone know which issue?
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| 15/11/07 12:14 AM |
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If somebody doesn't come up with it first, I'll search my DGJ issues when time allows. I know I have it.
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 15/11/07 06:35 AM |
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You're right, it was by Howard French. I do believe they would be "Man Stoppers", but of course, not specifically designed for that, originally.
| beleg2 |
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| 15/11/07 10:24 PM |
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Hi,
vol.8 issue.3 p.113.
Martin
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| 16/11/07 10:49 AM |
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Ahhhh Yes! That's the same issue that has the article about clamshell actioned double rifles. A great issue, especially when you look at the drivel in DGJ now.
That Dougall howdah is to die for. The lockfast action is cool as ice. The hammers are nothing but sexy. The condition subperb. Such a beautiful double!
Curl
| 348srfun |
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I thought I would show my Howdah pistol. It's a little different than some others that have been shown but has a lot of class for an over and under IMHO. Yes they made over and unders back in the good old days, too, even has a single selective trigger. It shoots which ever hammer is cocked or one right after the other, if you feel like cocking them both at the same time. This one was made by Gastinne Renette of Paris and is roughly 69 caliber rifled. It is hard not to like a pistol that was made for the specific reason of giving a guy the capability of fighting back when things were going bad and the future looked worse and short. If guns could talk, these are the ones I would like to listen to.
| bwana600nitro |
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| 27/11/07 09:23 AM |
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I love that 2nd pistol posted by b1acksmith. That is the action we need for the modern 577 lite nitro. The Jones underlever with hammers is too cool.
Ed
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Guns and Ammo did a feature article on Howdah pistols back in the 70's. It was excellent, BTW, with 3 or 4 guns being fetured. One was a side by side 12 bore, and another, a 4 barreled .577 Snider. I believe the other was a double 16 bore. Both 'bore' guns were both rifled and a block of concrete was blasted with the 12 bore for fun - great stuff.
: I may have to dig out the Digest to re-read that one.
If you find it and am willing to scan it, email it to me at
Photos AT NitroExpress.com
(Convert the above line back into a normal email address)
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Marrakai:
Sounds like the article "Frontier Manstoppers" from 1972, in which Howard French described a bunch of howdah pistols, claiming them to be "man-stoppers". Bit of a crock, really, but perhaps he just didn't know any better.
Marrakai, if you have that article, it would be much appreciated as well.
Thanks to both gentlemen if you are able to help.
| mehulkamdar |
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| 27/11/07 12:55 PM |
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348srfun,
That is a fantastic little piece! Do you shoot her often? What is it like to shoot her?
Good hunting!
| 348srfun |
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| 27/11/07 02:32 PM |
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mehuklamdar, as much as I would like to, I have not taken the risk of damaging a pistol that, to me, could not be replaced. I did think, at one time, I might have a set of steel barrels made to fit and enjoy shooting it, but I never have.