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Hello the crew. Well it looks like I own a WW Greener 12 Bore rifle. I was at the Game Fair in London over the weekend, and a WW Greener 12 Bore rifle followed me home. Hammer Gun Damascus Steel Barrels Recent Birmingham nitro proof Jones underlever Fully rifled bores 3 Leaf sight. 12x65 chambers Antique (Pre 1898 ) Now what? Anybody got any info ? I have sent an email to Graham Greener, but gun came with no info. So bullet weight and style and dram requirements are a mystery. Should be fun. Nitro |
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Terrible terrible man. |
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Wow! I would first check the rifling twist rate. That and the gun weight will tell you if it is a round ball gun or a elongated bullet. |
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WOW - am excited to find out 'things' about this rifle! At the muzzles, the twist appears quite slow with no discernible angle so I suspect (hope) for round ball twist. WW Greener knew well about rifling matching the projectiles - as well as chokes. Sweet! It's been well cared for. |
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Now that is a very nice find. |
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Lucky Dog. |
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Looks sweet! Can't wait to see the load work up for this wee beast! |
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Excellent condition bore rifle - it looks quite early with those hammers, I have a Howdah pistol (posted somewhere here) with similar - these early doubles are most attractive, you have a gem! I am sure you will have much fun getting a good load for it, Daryl's Round Ball loads may be a good start TH44 |
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That's one great looking DR! You're lucky to be chosen by this old lady. And the quest for the right load could be more interesting than the result. |
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Very nice indeed, enjoy! |
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Possession is 9/10 of the law, so it's too late to take it back now! Certainly have a few of us interested as to what this ol' girl can really do. Daryl will certainly give you a load once he know a bit more info. TH44 nailed it - "these early doubles are most attractive, you have a gem!"! Lovey piece of kit matey! |
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Well guys Thanks for all the comments and info and offers of help. Now the long process of getting her home. And then me getting home too, i still have a year on my contract in Europe. Then the fun begins. Maybe I can find this Grand lady a European friend before i cross the pond for the last time. Nitro |
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Just mail her to me and I'll have a great load for it by the time you get Stateside. Then, you can visit, we'll hunt and you take her home???? Great idea, eh? |
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Daryl Tempting, but then i miss all the fun. I swear i buy these obscure guns just for the challenge of making them shoot. I still have a ton of work to do on my 20 Bore. Nitro |
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Another member with the same disease that I am afflicted with. |
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Nice find! I have never seen anything like that one before and it sure looks to be in excellent condition. |
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She is waiting on export permit at the exporter. Nitro |
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shocking! |
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That is going to be fun. Should there not be info on the table or underside of the tubes at least for what it was proofed for? Greener's original stamping should also be there as well, I'd think. |
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Unfortunately not. In a 2015 Christies listing it says 4 Dramms of powder incribed in barrel. but my recollection is nothing on barrels or watertable. Just BP proofs and the new NP proofs. No problem all partof the adventure. Nitro |
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I wonder who's closet that's been hiding in all these years, beautiful!! Bob |
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Quote: Yes - it will be fun! |
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That is one lovely rifle. You can send it to me, and I will have it in its best behavior by the time you return to the U.S. Wonderful rifle! Curl |
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4 drams would make an excellent deer, hog and black bear load - using Swiss 1 1/2F, of course. That is only 109gr. Appears an early gun, so likely for round ball? Sure nice looking colour case on the action. |
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aren't u guys in michigan stuck with using slugS? if so bet it would be legal. great looking rifle |
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Ducmarc Exactly, it will be my new deer gun, I had a custom 20ga bore rifle built a few years ago, on a Simson 16ga action. Beautiful gun, but when i saw this old dame, I was smitten and decided the deer of MI deserve the honour of being harvested with this. Nitro |
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Great find! Looks like a bunch of fun coming your way. Do post reports of load development and of course that of the day you harvest your first MI whitetail with it. Cheers! Mark |
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My recollection is the intended dram weight charge for a quality bore rifle can be determined from the weight of the gun. I know I have seen a chart or table somewhere, maybe in Greener's book? Anyone recall seeing this? Nice double, hopefully it is true and unchanged and still functions as new. Looks like an excellent candidate. Well Done. |
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I would start with 3 drams and go up form there, 1/2 dram at a time, with round balls. I do not recall the text CommandCar speaks of. That does not mean it is not in the book, just that I do not recall it. |