| clark7781 |
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UPDATE - B. Searcy & Co .577 NE with PHOTOS
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All:
I just wanted to give you a SITREP on the status of the .577 NE my dad ordered from Butch.
This past Friday, my dad flew to California and met with Butch. Butch, as my dad said, "is one hell of a good guy!" He spend the better part of six hours with my dad going over his rifle, picking wood, fitting him and showing him the sights of Boron.
First, about the rifle. He picked his piece of wood out. (I'm going to see if someone out there can post a pic of it since I can't figure it out yet). Regarding options, he is going with the leather recoil pad, the extended trigger guard and a drop grip cap.
Engraving: On one side plate he is having a cape buffalo, on the other, a rhino. On the bottom, an elephant. Dad is leaning towards a scroll type of engraving on the other areas. Regarding engraving, we have ordered two books on engraving rifles for "ideas." If anyone has additional suggestions for sources for engraving pictures, please send them our way.
Also, if anyone has ideas for engraving, please send them along!
Butch also said that he really liked what my dad was going for with this gun and asked my dad if he would mind if he took it to SCI with him next year. Butch said he hopes to finish it by the first of the year. So, if all goes well, who ever goes to SCI next year and stops by Butch's booth may see Pop's rifle.
We'll keep you updated!
| Rusty |
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At Clark's request here is the stock blank.
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That will be a very well figured buttstock.
Is there a knot in the pistol grip or is the grain just a bit bent there?
| clark7781 |
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| 19/04/05 01:51 AM |
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NitroX:
That I don't know. I'll have to have my dad respond to that one. But before my dad arrived, Butch had already set aside some blanks for my dad to consider. He liked this one the best. My dad has more pictures in his digital camera, but hasn't downloaded them yet (old fart).
He did say the reverse side of the blank looked nicer.
| Chasseur |
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Doc and Clark,
Nice piece of wood!
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| 19/04/05 05:03 AM |
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That's a great-looking stick of wood!
I'm no stock-maker, and if Butch says it's OK - then I'm sure it is, but (especially in 577) I think I might look for another stick with less "wave" through the grip.
That is the weakest part of the stock.
| clark7781 |
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New Guy:
Thanks for the remarks (And Chasseur):
Butch actually had that piece picked out for my dad even before he arrived at his shop--picked it out just based upon our phone conversations with him.
And, since Butch recommended it, I'll leave it at that. He's forgotten more about rifles, gun stocks and doubles than I'll ever know.
Another note, the barrels on the .577 will be 25 inches long.
| mehulkamdar |
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Doc and Clark,
Fantastic piece of wood. The finished rifle should be a perfect example of gun porn (in the most complimentary sense!
)Hat's off to your father on his fine taste and thanks for sharing the pictures.
Good hunting!
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New Guy,
That stock is fine, the grain is straight through the grip and what you see as "wave" is fiddleback but the grain structure is correct and good enough for Government work.
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New Guy,
That stock is fine, the grain is straight through the grip and what you see as "wave" is fiddleback but the grain structure is correct and good enough for Government work.
I did assume the stock would be fine as one would expect from a competent rifle maker. Certainly is a lovely piece of walnut.
| Doc52 |
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To all,
I just want to let everyone know, That I had a great time with Butch this past weekend! I got the grand tour of the shop, along with the grand tour of Boron, Ca.
In my opinion, Butch is first class all the way.
As to the wood blank, Clark and Butch had been communicating via Email about the wood for the stock. I had downloaded pictuires from Clark to take with me. Butch showed me his stack of wood during my tour, and I figured I'd be there for at least a couple of hours,looking at wood! Butch already had this blank picked out based on the Email swapped with Clark! I looked at the blank and then at Clarks pictures that I had Brought along and BINGO we had a match.
I can't say enough about the experience I had working with Butch! He is truely a great person and an exceptional world class craftsman!
My best to all,
Doc52
| Rell |
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Doc 52,
I'm just getting set to order from Butch myself. I was running the idea of slightly more then standard engraving around in my head. If I remember correctly you're getting 3 animal scenes with border engraved. If you don't mind what does that run?
| clark7781 |
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Rell:
Right now, the old man hasn't gotten a quote yet from Butch. We are still looking for pictures/ideas on exactly what it is we want. I can tell you this. A Rhino will be on one side plate, a Cape Buffalo on the other, and an Elephant on the bottom. Some type of small scrolling will accent the other areas.
We should have some diagrams/ideas out to Butch within a week or two. When we get a quote, I'll drop you a note with the information.
| clark7781 |
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The reverse side of the gun blank (unfinished):
| clark7781 |
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Better picture of the first side of the gun blank:
| clark7781 |
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Ok.
Butch switched our wood on us. After a closer examination of the blank, Butch wanted something stronger in the wrist so he got us what we all consider an even nicer blank!
Here it is:
Whatcha think?
| MauserRifle |
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| 13/09/05 06:31 AM |
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clark7781
In my humble opinion, the second piece of wood is a better choice. I too was a little hesitant of the first piece of wood in the wrist area.
Just my opinion though!
| Maineguide |
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Doc52,
I have the same gun in that caliber and with the same engraving. It's awesome looking !!! The second stock looks a bit better to me but the stock on a .577 is pretty thick through the wrist,it has to be, the recoil is substantial but manageable with practice. Your Son Clark has seen the pictures of my gun and the scenes were engraved by Russell. Who is doing your engraving?
Maineguide
| clark7781 |
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Maineguide:
The old fart doesn't usually get on the computer much so I'll answer the question for you.
Ron Collings, Butch's main engraver, said that he wouldn't be able to do engraving its due service, so Butch put us in contact with Jim Blair. Butch has never used Jim before, but in the engraving circle Jim is regarding as one of the two best Bulino guys in the States.
Jim has all of our information and ideas. I spoke with him last week and will again next week. It's at that point that I'll get the $$$$$ from him...
So, when I have another update, I'll pass it on!
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Clark
Don't be surprised if full coverage Bulino, by a top engraver, doesn't cost as much or more than the rifle.
If it doubles the price of the rifle will your Dad still be happy with it or would he have been happier with a $45,000 Westley Richards or Holland?
At what point do the economics of a rifle take over from the dreams?
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In reply to:
At what point do the economics of a rifle take over from the dreams?
NEVER! (Speaking for myself, of course
) The money spent is soon forgotten, but that rifle may be in your hands during every serious encounter for the rest of your hunting life. Then the kids can sell it, hopefully at a profit, after you're gone.This is why some of us swear by vintage Brit, regardless of cost, and I suspect why Clark's ol'man is happy to dress up the Searcy. You only live once!
| Maineguide |
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An engraving job like the Doc52 is talking about costs as much or more on a WR or H&H. So the gun would be quite a bit more money than the $$45,000.00 That might be the cost of a typical light rose and scroll gun. Also I must assume that the english guns are used. When you start going up above the .40 calibers guns cost more. I'm with Marrakai. The Doc will have something done the way he wants and that he can hunt it without reservation,it will be new and his alone. He also gets the personal attention from Butch. I mean spending 6hr's with a client on a second visit is customer service personafied. And that will beat out the competition everytime. Buying an expensive double is a very personal experience for each of us but to know that the company is right in Ca. and that they will take care of any issue you may have is tough to pass up.
Maineguide
| Peterb |
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At last year's Vegas show, I saw a new H&H double with nice engraving (no Bulino or gold). It was over $200,000. I know engravers who would charge about $7000 for the work you want. Now if the engraving is done on a hardened gun, the cost will be more.
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Maineguide&Marrakai,
You are both correct. Clark and I looked at a couple of WR's before deciding on a Searcy. Both had pitting issues in the barrels and had a 25K price tag on the 500NE and 35K on the 470NE. I spent 6hrs with Butch on my FIRST visit. When all said and done I'll have a custom 577NE that was built to fit me and built to my specs. Then again I could of bought a high dollar British DR that was built for someone else for the same price, or more, But then it wouldn't really be mine now would it.
Peace, Through Superior Firepower,
Doc52
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You done good, doc. An English DR is definitely worth more on the used market but who wants to part with that much dinero? Having a DR built exactly to your specs is the way to go, IMO. I'm now waffling whether to save up for a Searcy built to my specs or keep butting my head up against the wall for my partner's dad's DR.
| 500grains |
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| 20/09/05 02:23 PM |
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What does a 2 piece blank like this for a DR cost?
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Ok, I've done research and asked questions and looked at and decided on a couple of upscale guns to buy, both from Searcy...but...that stock blank has to be way the heck out of my league in price.
Also I think Searcy charges $400 to $500 or so for a stock blank for his Deluxe Bolt Action rifles (info courtesy of Mike378, who asked him via email of the price difference if you send Butch your own stock blank).
Richard
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500grains:
It was about $1000.00 for the wood upgrade.
| Mike_McGuire |
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Richard
One point that probably needs to be made is that although Sercy said the price of his bolt action would drop about $400US if you supplied your own blank that would not necessarily mean his black is $400.
It is possible that his blank is better and would prefer to use what he has and he maybe offering a discount that is small as a disincentive to people supplying his own.
If it is a case that his blank is $400 one would also need to consider the way he buys and his $400 blank might be as good as what you or I could get for $800.
Mike
| Doc52 |
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Thanks 475Guy, I think we made a very good choice too!
sounds like you have a pretty tough choice also! But in the end, no matter what choice you make....you still have a DR.
Good luck!
Doc52
Peace, Through Superior Firepower!
| johndozier |
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I had not wished to get involved in this due to business ties, but after the plug for Denli, who has nice wood by the way, I must point out that the wood involved came from www.oldworldwalnut.com. You might want to check out the offerings and the prices. All wood is real ur-walnut from some of the oldest forests on the earth. Not from Turkey, tho they do produce some gorgeous wood, BUT....and Bill Dowtin is a real gunmaker-knows his guns and his wood. Ask Mr. Atkinson, another member of this board.
| clark7781 |
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All:
Just wanted to give you an update on our .577 being built by Searcy.
Butch emailed this picture this morning. As you can see, it had not yet been checkered when the picture was taken.
Opinions?
| Maineguide |
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| 20/12/05 10:35 AM |
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Clark,
Wood looks great, really great, you don't see that type of figuring often. And the grain through the wrist looks tight. Smoking!!!
Maineguide
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Looks great. Should be one hell of a rifle.
| Chasseur |
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Clark and Doc that's one sexy piece of wood!!!
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Fantastic!
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Great piece of wood. Looking forward to the finished product.
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Wow...that is beautiful!
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| 20/12/05 01:25 PM |
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As another of Burch's wood suppliers, I can say that is one fine piece of wood even if that one did not come from me.
Here is one I supplied for my 470/12 Ga pair from Butch:
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Peter
Do Searcy's normally come wide enough in 470 to fit twelve Gauge Barrels or is yours a special ordr?
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I can only guess that they come wide enough. I guess this because mine is only 9 1/2 pounds and if it were normally less, mine would weigh more. Super neat gun and nicely balanced.
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You done good! That wood is SWEET! Armbar.
| NE450No2 |
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Clark
Heck, I've seen fire wood and boat oars that looked better than that.
Sorry could not resist.
That is a great looking stock. Looking foward to seeing you and meeting your dad at DSC. When he gets that rifle we will have to do a hunt.
| clark7781 |
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Thanks, all. I spoke with my dad last night and we both agree that the stock exceeded our expectations! Now we just have to wait some more until the howitzer arrives.
Tony, can't wait to see you and everyone else at DSC! Can't wait to bring the old man and the rifle to the next DRSS hunt!
As always, I'll keep you updated with any new developments.
| bulldog563 |
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I'm pretty sure Butch's actions do come wide enough to fit 12 guage barrels without modifications. I asked him if a set could be made for a DR after it had been in possesion for a while and he said it would be no problem.
| mickey |
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I'm pretty sure Butch's actions do come wide enough to fit 12 guage barrels without modifications. I asked him if a set could be made for a DR after it had been in possesion for a while and he said it would be no problem.
At the risk of starting a war, I don't think that is a good thing.
| Peterb |
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And how many double rifles have YOU made?
| mickey |
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And how many double rifles have YOU made?
None, why?
| clark7781 |
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UPDATE:
The .577 will be making an appearance at both SCI and DSC this year. The rifle will be in the white, but Butch asked if he could take it with him to show it off - he says it's very impressive.
So if you are heading to DSC or SCI and stop by Butch's booth, check out our .577!!!!
| clark7781 |
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ANOTHER UPDATE WITH PHOTOS!
Butch sent these photos to us last night. Here is the rifle as it looks now. He'll have this at SCI and DSC this month.
| bulldog563 |
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Did you change your mind on the long trigger guard? Looks very nice!
| clark7781 |
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Bulldog:
It will have the extended trigger guard - in the pictures, according to Butch, he hasn't done it yet.
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It's really exciting to watch a custom gun project come together. I used to commission a lot of single-shot and bolt action projects through the '80's. I would visit my gunsmith about once a week to gauge the progress. I know what it feels like. Good luck with this one.
Curl
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Ok, another update on the .577 NE 3" Butch is building for us. I received these pictures from the engraver yesterday evening. His name is Mark Swanson from Arizona. He has just about finished with the scroll work and is now starting on the three animals (elephant [penciled outline on the bottom of the action], rhino and cape buffalo).
He is still trying to figure out what might be best for the bolsters on the sides of the action (if anything at all).
I understand this style of engraving isn't for everyone, but based upon what my father and I decided on, we are very pleased with what we saw.
| bulldog563 |
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Looks very nice. When are you supposed to get it?
| clark7781 |
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After the engraver is finished with it, it goes back to Butch for finishing and regulating. Hope to have it by the end of June.
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Geez, that is beautiful! That is probably going to be one of the best looking rifles I will ever see!
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Very nice.
| clark7781 |
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As promised, here is another photo from the engraver:
It is done in deep relief and there may be some additional shading done on the elephant's tusks.
More photos in a week or two. The Cape Buffalo is the next animal to be done.
We are getting close to the finish line!
| clark7781 |
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Well, Lee Hooker (LHook7 on AR) visited with Mark Swanson, the engraver of our .577 on Saturday and he was kind enough to forward these photos to me.
Now, I know this type of engraving isn't for everyone - but this is what we wanted and we are very happy with the outcome.
Here are the final photos I got of the action, barrels and forend release and grip cap:
And finally, here is a photo of Mark Swanson and the barreled action. I can't express how pleased I am with Mark's work for us - I would highly recommend him to anyone interested in having engraving done.
Lee literally sent me close to 25 photos of the action and barrels from various angles. I'm lucky enough to have a high speed internet connection at home, or I would be downloading photos until 2008. If anyone wants to see other photos, just send me a note and I will forward them on to you. Most of the photos show up better/more detail in a larger format, but if I posted them, you'll be downloading until next month.
Now, the action is heading back to Butch for finishing. He is going to fit the extended trigger guard and return it to Mark for engraving. Mark said that should only be a one day turn around.
So, HOPEFULLY it will be in our mits as early as mid July! And yes, it is coming to the DRSS hunt in August!
We placed the order for this on April 11, 2005 - shortly after that my father flew to Boron and spent the day with Butch and finalized the rifle.
Now, after 14 months, it is awesome that is it finally heading home!
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That’s going to be a beautiful rifle. The days must be dragging by slowly while you wait for it.
| Grizzly |
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Damn! What a beauty.
Don't let any of the guys at the DRSS shoot sleep with her - lest the bore be fouled.
Hope Butch is there, and he brings plenty of 577 ammo. I would love the opportunity to touch off a couple on our deadly native man-eating mesquite trees.
You both have to be proud fathers. This is truly one of a kind.
Extraordinary.
| clark7781 |
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Thanks guys.
Yes, Butch is coming to the DRSS weekend in August. He's said he's bringing some guns and ammo - I have a request in with him to bring his new Classic action - he said he will if he gets one finsihed by then.
The pictures that I uploaded don't do the gun justice - the larger images show a hell of a lot more detail, but would be a bitch for anyone on dial-up. If anyone is interested in seeing other, higher resolution photos, just drop me a note and I'll email them to you.
Yep, pround parents over here. The rifle should be back in Boron early next week for regulating and finishing. Hopefully it will find its way home by mid to late July.
Like a kid at Christmas, Guys! Like a kid at Christmas!
| Marrakai |
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Clark:
Regarding posting detailed pictures: for future reference, why not just post the link, rather than hot-linking straight to the picture. Then it won't slow down the loading of the thread for those on dial-up. Include the file-size, and other forum members can choose whether to down-load the picture or not, depending on their baud-rate.
Some forum-ites on dial-up might still reckon its worth the wait!
Hope this helps.
| clark7781 |
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Re: UPDATE - B. Searcy & Co .577 NE with PHOTOS
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Marraki:
Excellent point. I will get more uploaded onto my photobucket account today and post accordingly.
Thanks for the recommendation.