| Longknife |
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""""Pedersoli Kodiak MK IV DG Double Rifle .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4""""
When did they come out with this? I can't find it on the Pedersoli web site..... " The Kodiak 450 Nitro Express uses an action with the sliding third bite"....interesting, wonder how (or if) they regulate?
http://wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11126918
| DUGABOY1 |
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| 04/06/16 02:13 PM |
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""""Pedersoli Kodiak MK IV DG Double Rifle .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4""""
When did they come out with this? I can't find it on the Pedersoli web site..... " The Kodiak 450 Nitro Express uses an action with the sliding third bite"....interesting, wonder how (or if) they regulate?
http://wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11126918
I could be wrong but I am not aware of Pedersoli chambering this rifle for 450NE. These rifle were re-chambered to 450NE from 45-70 buy private owners quite a bit. I have the 143rd one off the line from Pedersoli. These rifles were commissioned by Trail Guns Armory of Texas and were only originally chambered for 45-70Gov, and are replicas of the 1878 Colt double rifle.
Mine was re-chambered for 458 RCBS, a wildcat invented by Huntington originator of RCBS.
These rifle were $900 originally but wnet up to about $3500 the last listing I saw. I don't think you will find this rifle listed chambered for 450NE from Pedersoli, but if you you do please let me know!
NitroX
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| 04/06/16 03:41 PM |
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Link doesn't work.
Pedersol .450 NE's are rechambered factory .45/70's. Not a factory chambering.
The same rifles seem to be purchased and re-sold again and again.
Might be for a reason.
Let the buyer beware.
| Longknife |
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| 05/06/16 12:29 AM |
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Here is the another link. It works when I try it.... Try copy and paste....These are not used guns. This is being sold by Wholesale Hunter, a dealer in NEW firearms, It says they have TWO NEW of the 450 Nitro Express rifles in stock....If link doesn't work then google Wholesale hunter Kodiak MK IV
http://wholesalehunter.com/newsearch.asp?keywords=pedersoli+MK+IV
http://wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11126918
Douga boy, I have a Trail guns Kodiak in 45/70. They are selling for $4800 on Wholesale hunter.
| Mauser416 |
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| 05/06/16 01:33 AM |
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I've e-mailed Wholesale Hunter and Pedersoli to see what they say. The Pedersoli web page lists the S.890 as only being offered in .45-70. I cannot even find the 450 being offered in any of their rifles. It will be interesting to learn what both parties have to say.
Eric
| DarylS |
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| 05/06/16 02:26 AM |
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Both links worked for me - someone has a chambering reamer, and is re-chambering them, it appears, then jacking up the price by 2 or $3,000.00.
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| 05/06/16 03:05 AM |
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http://wholesalehunter.com/
Even this doesn't work for me.
| Longknife |
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| 05/06/16 04:57 AM |
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If they are re-chambered, how do they modify the action?
Quote from Wholesale Hunter web site........ " The Kodiak 450 Nitro Express uses an action with the sliding third bite"....
My Kodiak 45/70 had no sliding third bite.....
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| 05/06/16 05:25 PM |
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This site can’t be reached
wholesalehunter.com took too long to respond.
Only that site. Must be on a crappy server.
| mehulkamdar |
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| 06/06/16 10:06 AM |
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Site works for me, and I see it offered for $ 6995 plus tax. Not on the Davide Pedersoli website itself, where the Kodiak is only offered in 45-70, 8x57R, and 9.3x74R.
| Mauser416 |
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| 06/06/16 10:48 AM |
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Quote from Wholesale Hunter web site........ " The Kodiak 450 Nitro Express uses an action with the sliding third bite"....
My Kodiak 45/70 had no sliding third bite.....
The picture they show of the action has no third bite either let along a rising third bite.
Their listing on Gun Broker went expired with no sale.
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| 06/06/16 07:14 PM |
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Quote:Quote:
Quote from Wholesale Hunter web site........ " The Kodiak 450 Nitro Express uses an action with the sliding third bite"....
My Kodiak 45/70 had no sliding third bite.....
The picture they show of the action has no third bite either let along a rising third bite.
Their listing on Gun Broker went expired with no sale.
Is this the same as the Rigby Rising third bite? If so, what a bargain, $6000 compared to a $100,000 !!!
Even if it is invisible in the photos.
Trying their ultra crap website for the twentieth time ... maybe they should spend more than $5 on their ISP server ...
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NitroX
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| 06/06/16 07:20 PM |
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The server at wholesalehunter.com is taking too long to respond.
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NitroX
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| 06/06/16 07:20 PM |
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Must be the millions of people buying "non" re-=chambered Pedersoli .450 NE's ......
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| 06/06/16 07:21 PM |
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Still missing out on the non rechambered from .45/70 Pedersolis ...
The server at wholesalehunter.com is taking too long to respond.
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NitroX
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| 06/06/16 07:29 PM |
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From a different browser ...
This site can’t be reached
wholesalehunter.com took too long to respond.
| Mauser416 |
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| 07/06/16 07:05 AM |
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I just received two pictures and a video from Wholesale Hunter. It appear that the gun has a cross bolt rather than a rising third third. This is probably why they refer to it as a sliding bite.
| Mauser416 |
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| 07/06/16 07:13 AM |
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I do not have ready access to a hosting site. I would be more than happy to forward the two pictures and short video (11MB) to someone willing to upload to the forum.
Eric
| Longknife |
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| 07/06/16 11:24 PM |
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Eric, You can send them to me. My add. is in my profile....Ed
| mehulkamdar |
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| 09/06/16 08:39 AM |
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I contacted Davide Pedersoli on Facebook, and they confirmed that they offer the 450 NE.
Quote [Dear Mr. Kamdar,
Yes, we do offer our Kodiak Mark IV also in the .450NE since few years.] End Quote.
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| 09/06/16 08:45 AM |
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Good to hear. Wonder why they don't list it on their website?
Far better idea than a rechambered one. I take back my comments.
I wonder how or to what extent they regulate them?
| mehulkamdar |
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| 09/06/16 09:48 AM |
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Not sure about regulation, John, but the rifles may be designed for the shooter to regulate /zero them themselves, like the regular Pedersoli double breechloading rifles and double muzzleloaders are. I did invite them to post here with more details, so let's see what they say when they come here. In any case, for a $ 6995 retail SRP for a 450 NE rifle that is proofed for the 450 NE, the price looks fantastic. I'm betting that someone is soon going to take it after buffalo in either Australia, or Africa soon . . .
| DarylS |
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| 09/06/16 12:02 PM |
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My ML was not regulated, nor were the other dozen or so I've heard about.
The .30/06 and .45/70's have some form or screw-driven regulating system. Perhaps the .450 Ex. does as well. I hope for over 6 grand, you get more than a long-chambered .45/70 version.
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| 09/06/16 02:08 PM |
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I always understood the Kodiak Mk IV's in .45/70 had fixed barrels?
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In any case, for a $ 6995 retail SRP for a 450 NE rifle that is proofed for the 450 NE, the price looks fantastic.
If it is like the muzzle loaders, the price is achieved by cutting corners, eg regulation or lack of it, which is costly to do. We will see.
| DarylS |
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| 10/06/16 12:24 AM |
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I am hoping it is a HUGE cut above the '06 and .45/70s.
Brother just took possession of his Pedersoli .45/70 Model 86/71 - it is incredibly nicely made - terrific colour case on the action, well finished - MUCH nicer than his Browning model 86 .45/70 or the NEW Winchesters, and the Pedersoli was only $1,700 landed here. The Browning model 86 was a LOT more. Thus, they can do it if they want.
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| 10/06/16 12:28 AM |
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I've owned two of the Pedersoli Kodiak Mk IV rifles chambered in .45-70. Both rifles were very accurate and perfectly regulated.
The latter rifle now belongs to a good friend. Just this past Saturday afternoon I got a text message from him:
"Just fired 8 shots with the Pedersoli. Rang steel 4 times at 100 yards and 4 times at 200 yards. That's a shootin' son of a bitch!"
YMMV
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| 10/06/16 01:45 PM |
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I've owned two of the Pedersoli Kodiak Mk IV rifles chambered in .45-70. Both rifles were very accurate and perfectly regulated.
The latter rifle now belongs to a good friend. Just this past Saturday afternoon I got a text message from him:
"Just fired 8 shots with the Pedersoli. Rang steel 4 times at 100 yards and 4 times at 200 yards. That's a shootin' son of a bitch!"
YMMV
Curl
Good to hear Roscoe.
My experience is with a .58 muzzle loader DR and from experience and also others comments, regulation is far more iffy. Later models than mine reportedly/allegedly were not even atempted to be regulated. I do still have to work on mine and try round balls which might be an improvement. I hope.
| Dunhill |
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| 22/08/16 05:32 AM |
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The ML Kodiaks and the Kodiak Mk IV are as far apart in quality as what the price of them suggests. They are still not 10% the quality of what an English double is though. But, bearing in mind, they do fill a niche for those that want to get started.
I had no idea that they were making them in .450 3 1/4...
I had one re-chambered to .450 3 1/2 no.2....which is a better round for the Kodiak...lower pressure...and it shot better than any rifle I've ever had my hands on. Now, bearing in mind that mine may have been out of rare luck, and I always chalked it up to that.
I don't care if they have a cross-bolt now or not....the choice of the no. 2 cartridge is a better one. The frame size is lacking, at least in my mind, for the pressures the 3 1/4 produces. If they would bump it up to a 12 gauge frame size it would be ok, and would also solve the barrel contour problem.
I have no idea how they regulate them, although I heard they begin with laser bore sighting and fine-tune from that point in some way only they know of. Although this is just hearsay.
I would be tempted to buy another, if I were not into the bore-rifles now.
But I still think they should move up to a 12-gauge frame size. And the barrel contours need work, as they are a bit barrel heavy, but I found that, with the one I had, this 'at least' made for excellent leveling and follow-through.
Could not resist commenting, as it's interesting to me that Pedersoli says they have offered them now "for few years" and I've never heard a thing about it.
| hoosier |
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My Kodiak in 45-70 has fixed barrels and the regulation from the factory with their load is VERY good indeed. Now I have developed macula degeneration and need a scope to shoot as I can no longer see the sights. I wish it had some sort of screw to adjust regulation because it won't shoot well with a scope mounted, still working on a load with good regulation with a scope.
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| 27/08/16 03:37 AM |
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My Kodiak in 45-70 has fixed barrels and the regulation from the factory with their load is VERY good indeed. Now I have developed macula degeneration and need a scope to shoot as I can no longer see the sights. I wish it had some sort of screw to adjust regulation because it won't shoot well with a scope mounted, still working on a load with good regulation with a scope.
Try using the lightest scope you feel useful. Or a light dot sight, 1x. The more weight up there the more the regulation will be affected. Just a theoretical idea on the problem. I know from speaking to the chief regulating gunsmith at the Heym factory that their rifles are regulated for the sight setup for the rifle, ie the open sights OR a dot sight OR a scope. They said changing to any of the others would affect regulation. Some people's rifles seem to shoot OK if changing, theoretically they won't though.