| mehulkamdar |
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| 22/02/12 04:48 PM |
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Perazzi just announced a double rifle. I recall reading that they had built a prototype many years ago but chose to concentrate on shotguns after that. They must have changed their minds after seeing how much interest there is in double rifles these days.
| Kebco |
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| 24/02/12 10:46 PM |
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They were taking orders at 2011 shotshow with very limited production. Saw one at 2012 SCI, very plain gun at a $20K price (not looking anything like the one in the picture at the above link). I can see the people that have to have it because it is a Perazzi, but not sure how many they will sell to people who critically compare it to other makers 450-400's in a O/U format.
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 24/02/12 10:58 PM |
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If they are as mechanically good as their shotguns and accurate I reckon they will sell, my Perazzi was bullet proof, God knows how many cartridges, never a murmur
| DarylS |
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| 25/02/12 02:46 AM |
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Mike, perhaps only the trap guns have problems.
The Perazzi's used for trap shooting are constantly breaking their trigger springs here - Brad said that's why you get 2 in the repair kit with a new Perazzi trap gun. Almost every Sunday, you'll here, "Ahh sh-t anyone got an extra spring with them?
Nice looking guns - perhaps it's only the trap models have trigger spring problems.
The Perazzi shooters told my friend Brad his Ruger wouldn't stand up due to it's cast parts. Brad shot trap for going on 10 years, not a single malfuntion - ever - attended all the meets, used handloaded 3 dram X 1 1/8oz loads always- no one else would shoot his handloads in their expensive guns. They were all using 1oz. light loads. Brad told me everyone in that 'section' replaced both springs at least once, some 2 or 3 times in same time frame, litterally same # of rounds. Longevity is why Brad had 28, 20, and 12 bore Red Labels.
| Buchsemann |
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| 25/02/12 04:10 AM |
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It's nice to see that Perazzi is jumping into the mix, quality should be top notch. IMHO starting off with the 9.3X74R and .375 H&H Magnum was a great idea for market entry. I haven't heard of the trigger spring issue that Daryl mentioned but then again I don't know of anyone shooting clays (trap or other) at my club using a Perazzi. I know I wouldn't appreciate such a failure especially if it happened while hunting ... anything.
Buchseman
| MaxGera |
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| 25/02/12 04:27 AM |
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When I was building my double rifles, I used a drop lock very similar to the Perazzi. I fact, for my prototype I used a modified Perazzi assembly.
For my "production" guns I used coil springs instead of the "V".
By the way, the one that I'm making now will be a side lock with back action coils springs and interceptor sears. In a .700 NE doubling is not an option.
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 25/02/12 05:57 AM |
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Odd Daryl, when was that ? I put everything through mine, it is an MX12 model SCO, that includes slugs, no problem and I have never met a guy here with a Perazzi (and they shoot a lot of trap) who has had that problem. Also I never got any spare springs with mine ?? best, Mike
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 25/02/12 06:02 AM |
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I should add that the MX12 model i.e. mine, is a field gun and does not have the removeable trigger assembly but still it seems inconceivable that most olympic gold medalists (and most use Perazzis) would put up with that ??
| mehulkamdar |
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| 25/02/12 10:48 AM |
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I think it is interesting that Perazzi are expanding in several different ways. They have these double rifles and they have also partnered with E J Churchill to build their Hercules shotguns for them - the first partnership since Perazzi first partnered with Fabbri many decades ago.
As Ken points out, some people will buy these rifles because of the Perazzi label. That said, I think any new company building a new range of guns, or any new entrant to the gunmaking business is welcome. Our sport needs to go from strength to greater strength.
Good hunting, gentlemen!
| DarylS |
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| 26/02/12 02:31 AM |
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All I know about the situation is what Brad told me, Mike. According to him, it seemed almost every week he told me that someone was replacing springs due to breakage - of course, in their Trap guns. Since there were only 6 or 7 of them, that's a lot of breakage, seems to me. He may have over-exaggerated the breakage - but even one breaking every 6 months would be too much in such an expensive gun. That would probably only 250 rounds average, with maybe 300 at an event.
Perhaps that's only with guns that are now 10-20 years old? When these guys started Trap with the Perazzi's the standard was 3 drams and 1 1/8oz. shot. The spring 'kits' are VERY expensive too $400.00? - nice presentation box with each 'set'- at least the spring kit I saw was very posh.
| Brithunter |
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| 26/02/12 05:48 AM |
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I have not shot clays fro years now. There was a dealer in Sussex England who took on the Perazzi line telling all and sundry how they were the bee knees yet almost everyone I saw used on that little clay circuit we used to do had problems. It got to be a joke waiting in line then the person up front would have a problem and it would be a damned Perazzi or Berretta.
| Sville |
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| 26/02/12 06:03 AM |
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I used to shoot Perazzi in skeet competions some years ago, find them probably one of the best in o/u shotguns. Never had any problems. But I would probably not choose a Perazzi DR because it will be an o/u. //Staffan
| sbs470 |
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| 26/02/12 09:01 AM |
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I thought this thread was about a Perazzi double rifle. not the reliability of a shotgun.
good shooting
sbs470
| doubleriflejack |
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| 01/03/12 06:03 AM |
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I recently bought a Rizzini O/U double rifle in .30-06 caliber, and it is one of the most accurate well regulated doubles in my large collection. To the best of my knowledge, most all Italian O/U double rifles today are built on same basic action type, but with varying sculpting of the frames, etc.
| gryphon |
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| 01/03/12 06:09 AM |
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Why don't we just talk about P/double rifles instead of straying to other makes and other builds by perazzi.
I would like to be kept abreast of their double rifles if news pops up.
| 4seventy |
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| 01/03/12 10:25 AM |
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To the best of my knowledge, most all Italian O/U double rifles today are built on same basic action type, but with varying sculpting of the frames, etc.
If you compare your Rizzini DR action to the Perazzi, I think you'll find that they are vastly different in design.
I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with the Rizzini, just that it is a different action design compared to the Perazzi.
Perazzi incorporates many strengthening features in their O/U actions compared to other Italian makers.
The Perazzi DR action shown in the link is a very good design indeed for handling rifle cartridge pressures.
It features very thick bolstered sidewalls, the hinge trunnions are supported by the knuckle, axial load on firing is taken mainly by the (large) lump radius, barrel bites are integral to the monobloc, and are positioned nice and high, and locking bolts are located deep within the action frame.
That's one hell of a strong design.
I think this Perazzi O/U has the potential to be a great double rifle.
It would be nice to see the addition of vented and bushed strikers just to top things off IMO.
I like the looks of it and can't wait to see more photos and details.
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/03/12 10:59 AM |
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Quote:What was the Rizzini worth mate - if you dont mind me asking??
I recently bought a Rizzini O/U double rifle in .30-06 caliber, and it is one of the most accurate well regulated doubles in my large collection. To the best of my knowledge, most all Italian O/U double rifles today are built on same basic action type, but with varying sculpting of the frames, etc.
Anyone know what these perazzis will sell for??
edit: oh I see now, about 20k Ken says...
| mehulkamdar |
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| 01/03/12 11:15 AM |
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The Perazzi website now has more pictures and desccriptions of the various trim levels offered. No idea of prices. I did check with a couple of dealers I know but they had no idea themselves. That said, since this is Perazzi, I think the guns will be expensive . . .
| 458Win |
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| 01/03/12 11:35 AM |
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They look like well designed and built rifles - as you would expect. But if you want an O&U so are the Zoli Z guns - for a lot less money
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/03/12 12:15 PM |
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Phil - what are the Zoli worth??
| MaxGera |
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| 01/03/12 12:47 PM |
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I don't know why. But somehow, an o/u double rifle rubs me the wrong way!
On the subject of Zolis, I just found this Zoli 45-70 that sold on some auction site for $1,550.00
I can see why they are cheap: It looks like junk! Let me rephrase that: It is Junk!
| 458Win |
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| 01/03/12 01:32 PM |
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Phil - what are the Zoli worth??
The 450/400 Zolis list for just under $10,000 but Cabellas has a couple of new 450/400's for around $7500. The 9.3's list around $6500.
They are very well designed and executed and offer features not found on any double rifle that make them useful for the rugged conditions here in Alaska.
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/03/12 02:50 PM |
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Hey Phil
That doesnt look like junk at all!!
I could definitely use one in either of those calibres.... 450/400 and 9.3R
| 458Win |
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| 01/03/12 03:04 PM |
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They are a long way from being junk - in fact they are built of better materials and more rugged than many of the famous English doubles
And more accurate as well
| kamilaroi |
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| 01/03/12 04:52 PM |
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Certainly a better deal than a Westley either in SxS or Ovundo. Noting their robust trigger plate mechanism fitted with coil springs. BTW having handled two Ovundos they are not well balanced and in particular slow in target acquisition.
As for Winchester's foray into the field via Browning then it wasn't particularly successful.
| 500Nitro |
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| 01/03/12 05:10 PM |
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I have a SxS Zoli in 9.3, awesome gun.
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/03/12 05:11 PM |
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is that fixed regulation mate??
| 500Nitro |
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| 01/03/12 05:15 PM |
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If asking me, yes, fixed regulation.
I adjust the reloads (or did, haven't shot it for a while) and can get two bullet weights to shoot to the same POI.
It has a detachable scope on it which is nice.
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 01/03/12 05:52 PM |
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Kamilaroi, funny you say that, I´ve never picked one up but have heard other people say they didn´t like the balance on Ovundos. I´m visiting the new premises on Monday, flying to UK today, will come back with a brief report, best
| 458Win |
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| 01/03/12 06:14 PM |
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There is no reason an O&U can't ber made to balance the same as a SxS of the same weight.
I do know that at 8lb 6 oz my 450/400 weighs less and balances much better than the typical 9 1/2 to 10 lb, muzzle heavy English SxS rifles of the same caliber.
| kamilaroi |
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| 01/03/12 07:19 PM |
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Mr Bailey,
Yaama
IIRC my experience handling such was with a 318WR and (maybe) a 360 #2. Note that Westley's had a clause abt doubles the need to manufacture same to cope with "modern high pressure" rounds (abt 1920?) in a catalogue so I'd imagine that they were catering to the trade, esp continental.
FWIW I found the Ovundo somewhat "clubby" and muzzle heavy and I'm over 6 foot and fairly athletic. IIRC I do remember that the barrel profile from the breech to abt 15 inches out was fairly stout.
Yiyaalu.
K.
| tinker |
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| 02/03/12 03:45 AM |
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Looks like Perrazi all have single trigger.
| doubleriflejack |
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| 20/03/12 07:29 AM |
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4seventy,
If you compare your Rizzini DR action to the Perazzi, I think you'll find that they are vastly different in design.
I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with the Rizzini, just that it is a different action design compared to the Perazzi.
Perazzi incorporates many strengthening features in their O/U actions compared to other Italian makers.
The Perazzi DR action shown in the link is a very good design indeed for handling rifle cartridge pressures.
It features very thick bolstered sidewalls, the hinge trunnions are supported by the knuckle, axial load on firing is taken mainly by the (large) lump radius, barrel bites are integral to the monobloc, and are positioned nice and high, and locking bolts are located deep within the action frame.
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I did compare the two actions, and I fail to see "vastly different design" you speak about. What I do see is vastly similar disign, with only minor differences.
Perazzi does, indeed, incorporate strengthening features in their o/U action, but so does Rizzini!
You say the Perazzi "features very thick bolstered sidewalls," (So DOES THE RIZZINI) the hinge trunnions are supported by the knuckle (SO IS THE RIZZINI), axial load on firing is taken mainly by the large lump radius (SO IS THE RIZZINI, AND RIZZINI HAS TWO LARGE BARREL LUMPS EXTENDING DOWN THROUGH THE ACTION FRAME THAT TAKE CONSIDERABLE FIRING STRESS, barrel bites are integral to the monobloc, and are positioned nice and high (SAME AS RIZZINI), and locking bolts are located deep within the action frame (SAME AS RIZZINI).
As I said, the majority of Italian O/U actions today, are built on same basic action type, varying only in insignificant ways.
| Mike_Bailey |
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| 20/03/12 08:17 AM |
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At the risk of being moaned at for going off topic, I too am impressed by Rizzini, I bought a young 17 year old a 12 bore O/U last year as a birthday present, he proceeded to put 1500 cartridges through it in 2 days with nary a hitch and shot it well too, he was over the moon. The italians IMO do O/U better than anyone else and if I was buying a single trigger I would only want to buy italian, best, Mike (ducking cos I know I´m going to get grief on this
| 4seventy |
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| 20/03/12 07:32 PM |
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I did compare the two actions, and I fail to see "vastly different design" you speak about. What I do see is vastly similar disign, with only minor differences.
Perazzi does, indeed, incorporate strengthening features in their o/U action, but so does Rizzini!
You say the Perazzi "features very thick bolstered sidewalls," (So DOES THE RIZZINI) the hinge trunnions are supported by the knuckle (SO IS THE RIZZINI), axial load on firing is taken mainly by the large lump radius (SO IS THE RIZZINI, AND RIZZINI HAS TWO LARGE BARREL LUMPS EXTENDING DOWN THROUGH THE ACTION FRAME THAT TAKE CONSIDERABLE FIRING STRESS, barrel bites are integral to the monobloc, and are positioned nice and high (SAME AS RIZZINI), and locking bolts are located deep within the action frame (SAME AS RIZZINI).
As I said, the majority of Italian O/U actions today, are built on same basic action type, varying only in insignificant ways.
doubleriflejack,
Is there any chance that you could post a photo of your Rizzini DR which shows the features you mention?
I did a bit of searching on the web but couldn't find a photo showing the trunnions, bites and bolting etc.
thanks
| 4seventy |
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| 22/03/12 09:25 AM |
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DR Jack,
The photo below is a 12g Rizzini. Is the DR action similar to this?
What differences are there between this action design and the Rizzini DR action?
Thanks
| doubleriflejack |
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| 27/03/12 05:55 AM |
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I have no cameras of any kind, and, even if I had one, I have no idea at all about how to post pictures. Comparing one dark side view picture of a Rizzini 12 ga., to their Rizzini double rifle is foolish, because one can see only a small fraction of overall action interior, etc. BUT, the double rifle looks sort of like the 12 ga. I have had my double rifle Rizzini apart, so I know it well throughout. However, I have no idea if the 12 ga. has barrel lugs, one on each lower side, that extends down through action frame, to function as recoil shoulders, as does their rifle action? Batista Rizzini is a trained machinist who knows "his stuff," and he makes a fine o/u double rifle that has interchangeable parts that make it a simply proposition to keep double rifle as tight as a rat trap, even in moderately intense cartridges, for double rifles, such as the .30-06! The Italians dominate the entire o/u double competition worldwide, at both high and low ends.