| Matt_Graham |
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| 11/01/10 12:33 PM |
Verny-Carron
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Hi Folks
I may have the opportunity in coming weeks to lay my hands on a new Verney double. I dont have any experience of them but they seem to be pretty solid and nicely made. Does anyone else have any tips if this is a good thing or not??
Thinking about 470 over a 450 3 1/4 in a case coloured finish over the coin finished jobs
Cheers and thanks
Matt
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| 12/01/10 01:33 AM |
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Matt
Sounds like you are getting tempted by the double barrel dark side.
Can't comment on the V-C but I'd go for the .450, more choice in projectiles. But either will provide the goods and a .470 is more likely to have factory ammo available around the world.
| Matt_Graham |
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| 12/01/10 06:14 PM |
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Tempted?? Hell I have always wanted one!! Just getting sick of waiting around for Marrakai to leave me one of his in his will!!!
| tinker |
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| 12/01/10 06:29 PM |
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Go 450
Heaps of bullet choices, many of them very good cheap game hunting bullets too!
Cheers
Tinker
| Sarg |
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| 12/01/10 09:30 PM |
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Hi Matt , yes 450NE is good/better mate but only in a rifle that is the right size ie small/light/handy , if the same size as 470NE action , get a 500NE 3in much more smash than both ,will make a better back up rifle ,wink, wink & hopefully the barrel will not fall off like the 458Winny
| ozhunter |
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| 12/01/10 10:03 PM |
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There is enough bullet choice in the 470...Woodleigh.
The 470 hits harder that a 450NE but the 450 penetrates better.
470 Brass is available at a reasonable price from Norma and Hornady.
450 is available from Hornerber and Hornady.
450 can be built on a lighter action due to its slender case.
You could always flick a coin...
| Sikahunter |
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| 16/01/10 06:42 AM |
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Matt
I am very impressed with the V-C guns. Major problem for me was getting over the French thing.
I own a V-C .577 and have ordered a bespoke .500 which is due in April. I have found the V-C's to kick less than the other Continental makes I have owned. The V-C guns have been cleaning up at the Vintagers competition the last two years.
In choosing between the .470 and .450, I would pick the .450. Just my opinion.
Back to the bespoke option, if you can hold tight and wait a few months you can get a gun built to your dimensions with your chosen options. I ordered my .500 to weigh 11 1/2# to 12# with rounded action and 26" bbls. and a bunch more custom touches. Ken Bush at KEBCO is the U.S. importer and an all around good guy.
Hope this helps.
Don
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| 16/01/10 07:55 AM |
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If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.
My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.
My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.
| 1980E26 |
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| 16/01/10 03:57 PM |
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Verney Carron makes a fantastic product for a fair price! They will make it to your specs in almost any caliber including the big 600NE.
BR
| Matt_Graham |
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| 31/01/10 08:26 AM |
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Getting close....getting VERY close!!!
Looks like it will be the 450 3 1/4 over the 470. Personally I would have rathered the 470 but there isnt a lot of difference - just a few foot pounds and a bit more frontal area.
The main reason I picked the 450 was that I just couldnt wait for a fitted gun and while the 470 Ken had looked great I just couldnt get it to fit me. The coin finished 450 fitted perfectly, even though they were all cut to the same specs, so I am going to go with that one!!! Hooray!!!
Thanks for your comments and advice guys...
MG
| ozhunter |
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| 31/01/10 09:58 AM |
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Sounds great, will you have for next weeek end??? For a looksee???
| Matt_Graham |
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| 31/01/10 11:15 AM |
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No mate sorry - wish I did!! Prolly a 2 month wait to get the gun out of the USA.... compared to a nine month wait to get the fitted version... I took the 2 month option!!
I just wanted it for this hunting season. Also Ken the VC agent in USA is coming to do a hunt with us this year - I'm hoping to do some promo for the guns during the hunt. Ken is bringing his VC 577 I think... that will be cool!!
I think Ken is a member here too...
MG
| Matt_Graham |
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| 31/01/10 11:17 AM |
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Any ideas where to get brass from???
| gryphon |
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| 31/01/10 11:19 AM |
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Ask Ken!
| ozhunter |
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| 31/01/10 11:49 AM |
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Any ideas where to get brass from???
At one of the Melbourne shows I got talking to the Hornady agent and he told me they would be bringing in the NE range.
Not sure if that was just ammo or cases as well.
I can ask John C if he has any Hornerber available. Its great quality but quite pricey.
| bwananelson |
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| 31/01/10 02:39 PM |
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spent some time with them at sci while i set up a booth for zoli nice work they had a nice 577 and a 600 there and they will be bringing out a 375 rimmed soon they were a nice change and very easy to talk to
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| 31/01/10 02:40 PM |
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Any ideas where to get brass from???
At some of the shows Bertram often has a seconds box, which still function OK. I bought more than a couple hundred of .450's from him to add to the 60 I had at full price.
| Snowwolfe |
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| 31/01/10 07:13 PM |
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Hornady brass for the 450 NE 3 1/4 can be found at Cabelas and Grafs Reloading supplies. If you find a coupon for Cabelas they have the best prices as I just bought 5 boxes from them.
Midway is the only one that I know of at the present who has both the Hornady dies and shell holder (#54) in stock.
| CHAPUISARMES |
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| 31/01/10 07:24 PM |
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Hey Snowwolfe,
Matt might need a "Care" package sent, the US is really giving the companies in the US a hard time and they can't Export even to an allie.....
Cheers,
Jeff Gray
| Matt_Graham |
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| 31/01/10 10:03 PM |
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Quote:Sorry I meant in OZ!!
Ask Ken!
Thanks for the help guys... can I get a care package of UP brass from the USA without a B709 ??
Dont really want to send brass with the gun on the same form and docket... just complicates things..
Cheers
Matt
| Bill_Cooley |
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| 01/02/10 01:31 PM |
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Quote:
If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.
My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.
My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.
I would be more inclined to look at .450 with a set of 9.3X74 barrels. I had thought to recommend the .375 flanged but ammo is harder to come by and the 9.3X74 is nearly the same with more ammo choices. I would get both fitted with a QD scope.
Bill
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/02/10 05:02 PM |
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Quote:I wouldnt get a scope for the 450 but a 375/9.3 would sure be a great combo!! I've only got six or seven rifles in that calibre range - whats another one going to matter??Quote:
If you want to order a boxlock I don't think you could do better than V-C. I have a custom made V-C set and it was well worth the wait. I found myself in a similar conundrum regarding which caliber to order. So I decided to order mine with two sets of barrels. The gun is built on one action size so, depending on the combination ordered, you might have either a second set of lighter barrels for a heavier frame or a second set of heavier barrels for a lighter frame. But, unless the difference is extreme, I think the benefits are worth it.
My gun happens to be a 9.3x74R/7x65R set. It balances well with either barrel set and is neither too heavy nor too light. The scope is for the 7x65R and the 9.3x74R barrels have a flip up "night" sight on the front.
My suggestion is that you order a gun to your specifications. I just don't enjoy shooting anything heavier than a 450. So I think a 450 with a second barrel set in a smaller bore like 450/400 would be a very versatile choice. You can set up each barrel set for the kind of shooting you will be doing.
I would be more inclined to look at .450 with a set of 9.3X74 barrels. I had thought to recommend the .375 flanged but ammo is harder to come by and the 9.3X74 is nearly the same with more ammo choices. I would get both fitted with a QD scope.
Bill
| CHAPUISARMES |
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| 01/02/10 05:08 PM |
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Hi Matt,
Did you get the PM that I sent you...
Cheers,
Jeff Gray
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/02/10 08:05 PM |
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Quote:On here?? NO!!
Hi Matt,
Did you get the PM that I sent you...
Cheers,
Jeff Gray
send me an email if you like office at huntaust.com.au
CYA
Matt
| Matt_Graham |
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| 01/02/10 08:09 PM |
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Sorry - found it... didnt get the notification for some reason??
Thanks for that!!
MG
| kamilaroi |
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| 01/02/10 08:57 PM |
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Jazzus!
Can't any of you spell it?
Frockin pathetic!
| Matt_Graham |
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| 10/02/10 03:13 PM |
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Well it's official... I'm the proud owner of a Verney-Carron Azur Safari Standard 450 three'n'a'quarter.... woohoo!!!
Now the long wait to get the gun here.
I'd just like to say that Ken is a really good guy to deal with and from what I can tell these guns are very reliable and pretty fair quality for the price...
http://www.verney-carron.us/
| CHAPUISARMES |
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| 10/02/10 05:56 PM |
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Hi Matt,
Yes that's the hard bit as the clock seems to run slow, a "Watched Pot" so to speak.. Also, I like your new "Logo" a thousand times better than that winging crybaby you had.......
Cheers Mate,
Jeff Gray
| 4seventy |
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| 10/02/10 09:13 PM |
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Good one Matt. Congratulations!
No doubt you will put it to good use.
| Matt_Graham |
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| 10/02/10 09:32 PM |
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Quote:That is my old logo - I dont know what happened to it there for a while....??? Got replaced by something else???
Also, I like your new "Logo" a thousand times better than that winging crybaby you had.......
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| 14/02/10 07:46 PM |
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Well it's official... I'm the proud owner of a Verney-Carron Azur Safari Standard 450 three'n'a'quarter.... woohoo!!!
Now the long wait to get the gun here.
I'd just like to say that Ken is a really good guy to deal with and from what I can tell these guns are very reliable and pretty fair quality for the price...
http://www.verney-carron.us/
Well done Matt!
So now when we will organise a NitroExpress double rifle hunt in the Top End of buffalo, scrubbies and boars?!
| Matt_Graham |
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| 15/02/10 11:50 AM |
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Thanks John
Better hurry up if you want to organise a nitro express hunt. The place with all the pigs is booked-out till July next year!! Unless something else comes up...
Have to pay for buff and scrub bulls on that place but not the boar...
| calpappas |
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| 15/02/10 01:52 PM |
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As many have mentioned the .450 has lots of projectile choices. That is why I bought a .450 no2 ten years ago. It shoots Hornady 500-grain bullets into 2 inches at 50 yards over a standing rest. I buy dozens of boxes of these at gun shows from folks who bought a .458 or .460 and it kicked too much and they sell everything on the cheap!
For what it is worth--I have examined dozens of vintage and new doubles when researching my book on the .600s. I think the VC is the best bang for the buck in a new double today. That is not to put the others down--they are all good--but the locking system on the VC won't shoot loose AND where can you get a new .600 for less than 23K? I like and only own vintage British doubles but if I were to buy a new one for utility use the VC would be my choice.
Lots of doubles and double info on my website. Enjoy.
Cal
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| 16/05/10 08:27 AM |
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Matt
I am very impressed with the V-C guns. Major problem for me was getting over the French thing.
Don
I must admit that the same thing was on my mind before deciding to order my V-C, but I have to believe that of the small percentage of the French population that would have anything to do with us it would be a gunmaker. I'm at peace thinking this is the case. I did change my brand of Scotch, though.