CowboyCS
(.333 member)
17/09/11 04:02 AM
2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I will be starting the 2 Bore Jones Underlever Black Powder Cartridge Side by Side Rifle in a few weeks....I have named this one "The Double Deuce" and I will be including video as well as written and photo documentation of this build.
Due to the length and complexity of this project I won't be posting individual updates on each forum I am a member of like I have done for my other documented builds. I have set up a Blog at Wordpress and will only be updating that blog. When I update the blog I will post in this thread that I have added a new update.

People will be welcome to ask me questions or make comments in this thread and I will try to answer them as I have time.

Here is the link to my WordPress blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

You can also find the link on the home page of my business website.

Thanks for your understanding.

Colin


Ben
(.400 member)
17/09/11 06:32 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Oh, boy! What a thumper! Good luck!

Bloodnativ
(.275 member)
29/09/11 01:27 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I tried to subscribe to the blog at the address above but there was nothing in the comfirmation email.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/10/11 11:24 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

An Update to the project has been added.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...2%80%9d-part-2/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


mehulkamdar
(.416 member)
17/10/11 12:40 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin,

You must have the world's heavyweight boxers as your clients. The thought of a 2 bore double hurts!

Will keep an eye on this masterpiece being built. Thanks for posting.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
22/10/11 01:57 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

An Update to the project has been added.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-machined-away/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
25/10/11 03:08 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

An Update to the project has been added.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...nderlever-hole/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
26/10/11 11:32 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I got a little more done today, here's the links to the new update.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...the-watertable/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
29/10/11 09:29 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I got a little more done the last couple days, here's the links to the new update.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...d-lower-action/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
03/11/11 02:52 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This will probably be the only update for this week, here's the links to the new update.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-the-monoblock/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
10/11/11 03:37 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Boring is really boring, here's the update so far this week....

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-the-monoblock/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
12/11/11 05:07 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I got a little bit of draw filing done, this is the last update for this week:

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-breechface/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
23/11/11 05:12 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This should have been posted last week but I wasn't feeling well and didn't get as much done as I had wanted to.


Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-and-hinge-pin/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
29/11/11 04:43 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Last weeks work before Thanksgiving and today's work.


Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...nd-breech-radi/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


500grains
(.416 member)
04/12/11 01:29 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

There is a lot of talent being demonstrated here. However, I doubt I would dare to pull the trigger.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
04/12/11 09:35 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Very interesting.

I wonder how many double rifle 2-bores were ever made? Even most 4-bores were single barrels I believe.

Did 2-bores exist previously?



CowboyCS
(.333 member)
05/12/11 07:09 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks for the compliments. Glad you guys are enjoying the show.

The answer is NONE, from all the research I've done, nobody has tried to build a SxS 2 Bore before.
Yes 2 Bores have existed as Muzzleloaders first, and then later as Cartridge rifles and a few punt guns. All the shoulder fired 2 Bores I've come across in my research have been single shots. There were a few(very few) made for Africa and then there were quite a few made for the Whaling Industry in the late 1800's.

I'm the only one in the world that is currently making a Single and now a Double Rifle that will Chamber the S&H 2 Bore brass.

Somewhere on the Forum is pictures of the 2 Bore Jones Underlever Single Shot I built a couple years ago.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/12/11 01:40 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Short video update this time.

Here's the link to the post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...e-tang-section/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/02/12 11:58 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Finally after 8 weeks I am back to working on the Double Deuce. From here forward I shouldn't have to many distractions since this is the top of my build roster now.

Link to the newest video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...p-tang-shaping/

Link to the whole build blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Thanks for watching, I hope you enjoy it.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
19/02/12 04:15 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This weeks work on the 2 Bore. The video is a little longer this time because it covers a full weeks worth of work.

Link to the newest post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...rrel-threading/

Link to the whole build blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
20/02/12 04:28 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

That is so interesting to watch - thankyou.

tinker
(.416 member)
20/02/12 04:41 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

That big rifle is coming along nicely!






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
20/02/12 10:15 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Glad you guys are enjoying the show.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
26/02/12 03:06 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Another 40 hours worth(in 15 minutes).

Link to the newest post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...action-fitting/

Link to the whole build blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
27/02/12 05:55 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Its facinating to be able to watch a build coming together that would otherwise remain the mystery that actual gunmaking is for the majority of us. Thanks for these posts.

Von Gruff.


tinker
(.416 member)
27/02/12 09:07 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Looks like fun.
Regulation will be a hoot!


DarylS
(.700 member)
27/02/12 10:58 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

You first! HA!

Cowboy - what load do you envision?


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
27/02/12 11:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Actually this one will have a lot less felt recoil than the single shot. The single weighed 24 pounds finished weight...the barrels and monoblock currently weigh 31.5 pounds by themselves. Add in the action, locks, wood, recoil reducers in the stock, ribs, etc...this one might actually be shootable even with a full 700gr load. A guy won't be able to hold it up for more than a few seconds but it should handle the recoil.

I don't know what the load will be, that will be determined by the best load that produces the best accuracy from both barrels...it's also somewhat up to the customer how much of a load he wants me to regulate it for.

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
27/02/12 11:17 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I cannot imagine it. It will be similar to firing our 1 1/2" cannon - from your shoulder. I just can't imagine it. Evenw ith all it's weight, it bellows and bucks, even with only 800gr. of 1F powder.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
04/03/12 04:04 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Shorter video this week, but that mostly because the work was all the same, so nothing really to show.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-to-the-action/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
04/03/12 08:01 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

WOW - THAT is a BOSS-HOG reamer~!

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/03/12 08:42 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I'm glad you are enjoying the build.

I got a few parts made this week and managed to get them fit and attached. One piece at a time it's slowly coming together.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-of-underlever/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
11/03/12 03:02 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Big fun!

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
18/03/12 10:02 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

A few more bits and pieces:

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-chambering/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
18/03/12 11:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Go Colin Go!

DarylS
(.700 member)
18/03/12 11:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

That's wonderful, thanks Colin.

Once finished, the "Whole blog" will really be something to watch.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
18/03/12 12:20 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

There's over 3 hours of video already...

Sarg
(.400 member)
18/03/12 12:33 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank you Colin, that is just fantastic to watch, cant wait for the next update !!

VonGruff
(.400 member)
18/03/12 02:44 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Dont you just love the offhand remarks implying simplicity of some of the machineing and hand finishing procedures.
Look forward to watching the weekly updates.

Von Gruff.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
19/03/12 02:59 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

If you have any questions about the process or want me to expand on a certain thing just ask, if I know the answer I'll share it.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
24/03/12 01:35 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

For a while now I've been trying to be consistent with my updates and post them on Saturday afternoon/evening when I am done working for the week. BUT tomorrow I will be busy all day with livestock and farm work(it's that time of year when all the newborns come and livestock needs to be moved out to pastures). So this week you get the update a day early.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...plate-recess-2/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
25/03/12 06:45 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Amongst the facinating machining and hand fitting, the regulating wedges was the bit that answered the question for me this week.

Greatly apreciated Colin, especially the clear explanations acompanying the work.

Von Gruff.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
25/03/12 09:29 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank you for the compliments, glad I could help with better understanding how a double rifle is built.

One of these days...I need to try and find out how the Merkel 141 "Petite" regulation wedge is put together because it is fully adjustable but still retains the classic looks of a double rifle. It doesn't have the outside ring look like the Bakails(sp?) have on their muzzles.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
01/04/12 08:24 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Things are slowly starting to shape up and look like a double rifle now.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...lock-profiling/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
08/04/12 12:55 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I didn't get as much done as I had wanted to this week. Tuesday my Father ended up in the Hospital needing a blood transfusion. Then Wednesday I took him down to Topeka to see a Specialist. Thankfully he is home now and after several more transfusions is feeling much better. BUT that was all time I was away from my shop.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ock-and-action/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
08/04/12 01:10 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Looking good Colin!

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
09/04/12 10:28 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank You, slowly but surely it's becoming a Double Rifle.

tinker
(.416 member)
09/04/12 11:08 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Definitely taking shape.

DarylS
(.700 member)
10/04/12 04:02 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Very well explained as you're working, Colin. Thanks.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
15/04/12 10:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

My Father is doing much better this week. Other than one afternoon/evening that I was Judging a Forensics meet at the High School I managed to spend most of the week working. I still didn't get as far as I had wanted but it's progressing right along.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-underlever/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
15/04/12 10:54 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It really is starting to look -- HUGE!





Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
22/04/12 09:38 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

A little Progress for your viewing pleasure this week.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...iring-pin-nuts/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
22/04/12 10:19 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Moving right along there Colin.

Happy to get my Saturday afternoon fix of a view from your shop.





Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
24/04/12 08:03 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This question seems to come up on most of the Muzzleloading forums and a few other gun forums pretty regularly. Usually it is being asked by a first time builder but sometimes just a guy who has never taken his lock apart. So I put together a short video on how I disassemble a lock and the proper tools required.

It's only semi-related to the 2 Bore build but the Lock I took apart is one of them that will be remodeled for this project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di4VhHeUxgo

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/lock-disassembly-tutorial-video/

I hope this helps.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
29/04/12 11:04 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This weeks update is posted:

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-modifications/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
06/05/12 01:12 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

The weeks just keep ticking by, the amount of video is sure adding up these days. It would make for a long boring movie if watched all in one sitting.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...lock-and-stock/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
13/05/12 07:14 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

More Progress...

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...tion-inletting/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
20/05/12 06:16 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

A short video this week:

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...more-inletting/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
23/05/12 12:12 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Looking great Colin!

Thanks for the weekly episodes!!






Cheers
Tinker


VonGruff
(.400 member)
27/05/12 01:26 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Are we there yet?? It must be time for another update Colin. Waiting paitently - well sort of.



Von Gruff.


tinker
(.416 member)
27/05/12 01:48 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Yes VG, I watch this spot every weekend.
Colin is doing a great service with these build cycle episodes.

I'm staying tuned...






Cheers
Tinker


PHMadness
(.275 member)
27/05/12 02:02 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I need my fix too. I don't know what I'll look forward to after you finish this project.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
28/05/12 03:59 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Sorry about the late posting, it's been a busy week.

Here's the update:

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...earm-inletting/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
28/05/12 11:37 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Nice.
The week can now feel complete!


What is the current weight?








Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
28/05/12 12:03 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I haven't weighed it since I inlet the buttstock, but probably close to 40 pounds. I know after picking it up a couple hundred times a day it really starts to get heavy. I would have preferred to turn the barrels to a very light profile(shave a couple pounds off of each barrel) but the customer specified the profile so it's going to be a very heavy rifle. The silver lining is that with as much as this thing is going to weigh it should mitigate the recoil a lot.

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
28/05/12 12:38 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Wow

I own a 40lb rifle.
Yowza.






Cheers
Tinker


VonGruff
(.400 member)
28/05/12 03:31 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

At 40 lb you certainly wouldn't want to have carried to for 5-6 hours then sudenly have to get it into action for multiple shots. Can see the need for a gun bearer either with wheels or legs to take some of the muscle lagg out of the equation.

On another point, with your inletting advise, I can see my time to do so ( in my ameturish fashion) becoming more carefully and PAITENTLY used. Thanks for that.

Von Gruff.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
03/06/12 04:18 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It's starting to look like a double rifle now...

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-stock-shaping/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


bakposten
(.300 member)
03/06/12 04:42 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Fantastic. Looking forward to see the finished result!

DarylS
(.700 member)
03/06/12 09:32 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Coplin- those tubes appear to be about 24, maybe 25"? Was there a reason not to go shorter, like 22"? They do seem long to me, for such a thumper.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
03/06/12 10:30 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Daryl,

They are 30" long and only have a very slight taper...this was all done to the customers specifications. When we first discussed this build I tried to talk him into a shorter barrel length and a much more pronounced taper. I could have shaved several pounds off of each barrel...but when the man with the money is very specific about what he wants, I give my opinion and then leave it up to him to decide what is best.

Unless it's a safety issue or in rare cases when what the customer wants would "look so bad" as to reflect on my reputation as a builder, I leave the rest up to "the customer is always right". I always turn down jobs that are unsafe(no exception there) and I try to stay away from projects that would be bad for future business.

Colin


DoubleRifle999
(.224 member)
09/06/12 07:26 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Certainly is coming together Colin....!!! Great balls of fire man,....Who, I repeat WHO, is going to be able to carry this thing?? I wouldn't want to carry 45 lbs of ANYTHING out to the end of my driveway, about 1500 feet, much less attempt to shoulder and fire it....AND it's going to end up a little muzzle heavy too!!! Sounds more like a punt gun!!

Anyway, I have followed this from the beginning and admit to a great interest in the project! I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind??

How did you arrive at your basic stock dimensions? I realize the customer had his input and the stock has to conform to the metal of the action etc....I am not talking about length of pull or cast, more so the amount of drop at heel, the buttplate angle, etc...I know something about stockmaking, but very little about double rifles and even less about shoulder cannons like this. Is the intent to cause the gun to rise dramatically while in recoil?? Of course with all that weight up front who knows what will happen?!?!

You know,..Just asking....


DoubleRifle999
(.224 member)
09/06/12 07:50 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

As an interesting aside, I thought I would do a quick test a few minutes ago. Since most of the weight will be "between the hands" or as much so as Colin can make it, I tried to keep it as real as possible......

I started with an eight pound, 30 in. barreled 10 bore shotgun (actually weighs a little more than that), then had my son drape a 25 lb. bag of shot over the gun directly over my hand on the forend. Then added ten lbs more in two small bags placed so the balance point was just at my front hand. Total weight 43 pounds (give or take). I don't know about you guys, but I am not man enough to handle it! I gave up any pretense of being able to shoulder it and hold it for more than a few seconds and if the weight was even heavier, as Colin says it will be, and further forward.......I am afraid that buff or ele would just have to have a go at me!!

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!!


DarylS
(.700 member)
09/06/12 08:41 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I would think that 30 pounds is a LOT to shoulder, swing and fire at a game animal. I cannot imagine doing that with 45 pounds. Maybe I'm just getting too old and of too restricted an imagination. 45, eh, well, good-on-ya.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/06/12 04:06 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Like I said if it had been my decisions to make I would have reduced the weight in this thing a lot, but it's someone else's money.

Drop at comb, drop at heel, cast-off, pitch at toe are all measurements taken from the user and worked through in a set of formulas, then the smaller tweaks are done by experience. If you dig beck through the videos, I explained how the measurements are arrived at.

Been a busy week/weekend, but at least I got a video posted:

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ns-lock-plates/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


DoubleRifle999
(.224 member)
11/06/12 07:43 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Like I said, great work Colin. AND...nicely documented too! My questions were not intended to cause any consternation...like I said---"Just asking..." I thought I had been through all of the videos--mayhaps have missed a couple. I will retrace my steps....!!

Thanks for the work done in documenting this...It will be a real help for anyone wondering about a "build"....like me for instance!!!

Howard


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/06/12 10:37 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

DoubleRifle999,

I apologize if I came across a little blunt, that wasn't my intention at all. If I didn't explain it well enough in the video please feel free to ask and I will try to explain it better.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
16/06/12 05:02 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This weeks video doesn't show any new work on the SxS rifle, instead it show the companion piece that is for the same customer. The 2 Bore Muzzleloading Pistol.

Link to the current video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/2-bore-black-powder-muzzleloading-caplock-pistol/

Link to the entire Blog:
stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com

Enjoy

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
16/06/12 07:14 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin - hope you don't mind, I posted the pistol's address in 'over the back fence' at the alr forum - just because.

DoubleRifle999
(.224 member)
16/06/12 09:51 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin....you proofed at 300 gr. IIRC and then test fired by hand at 100 gr. FFg.....What do you think a "normal" load for that beast will be?? I guess maybe as much as you can stand?!?!?!

Hand cannon for sure!


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
16/06/12 12:26 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

The recessed chamber holds 100gr FFg, so the minimum is 100 just to be sure there is no gap between the ball and powder, as far as maximum goes, in theory you could load it to rifle charges but it would recoil enough to break a normal man and a huge amount of powder would be just blown out the front and wasted. I really don't know how high a guy could take it before it became injurious or even possibly dangerous, but the barrel and breech would handle about any charge you could fit in it and still seat a bullet on it.

I don't plan to find out either, I need my wrists so I can keep working on the Rifle.

Colin


DoubleRifle999
(.224 member)
16/06/12 05:25 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Ha Ha!! I understand!! It was mostly a rhetorical question anyway. I don't know, I am just having difficulty wrapping my brain around a 2 bore. And a pistol at that..!!??!! I hunt with handguns (and a couple of them are real hand cannons---as JD Jones was want to say..), but I think this one has the potential to really hurt you. I am glad it is not me testing it!!

Best...Howard


tinker
(.416 member)
18/06/12 01:52 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Very cool little pistol Colin!






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
24/06/12 06:34 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

This weeks video is a little longer than the last couple. Lots of work done though and a lot of information to cover.

Link to this weeks video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...hts-and-screws/

Link to whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

If you have any questions or comments please feel free to ask, I'll answer anything I can.

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
01/07/12 07:41 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

As my wife is found of saying "patience is a virtue, embrace it if you can, often in a woman and seldom in a man". It's always a temptation to rush when things start looking like they are getting done. But slow and steady is what counts at this point.

Link to this weeks post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ding-polishing/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy,

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
01/07/12 12:44 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks Colin!






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
08/07/12 09:21 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

What a week...I think I sweated off 20 pounds.

Link to this weeks post:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...eloading-tools/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy,

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
08/07/12 09:58 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Getting close now and looking more complete every week. Am glad it is not me going to shoot this monster to regulate the barrels.

Von Gruff.


tinker
(.416 member)
08/07/12 12:49 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin-


Great colors, really nice looking job there.
Can't wait to see how it looks in the wood.

Has your client asked for alkanet in the stain for an old Brit red color on the wood?






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
09/07/12 01:51 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Actually he decided to go with something different from the "classics", on that sample block I showed in the previous video there is a section that looks grey with a red undertone. That color of stain is called "Antique Red Oak" and he decided that it would look good against the color case hardening and be completely unique and different than anything else in his gun cabinet. We discussed the possible ramifications of that color finish on the phone and he decided that he really wants a unique finish that is different for this rifle.

I've used that stain in combination with other stains to achieve a certain look but I've never used it as a stand alone color so I'm kind of interested to see how it turns out.

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
09/07/12 05:47 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks Colin - the explanation on colour casing was VERY well done. Nice job.

I really like your die and method as well. I have an old single stage manual short throw 60 or more year old 16 bore shotshell loader that I bought at a Gun Show for $5.00 that does a similar job, especially the crimp cap just as you've shown. I will now turn a better one, now that I've seen yours.

TKS again.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
09/07/12 06:25 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I wish I could claim the idea for the reloading tool but it's a slightly modified version of an original field reloading set.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
15/07/12 01:18 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Sorry guys, NO video this week. I had a really bad week and only got about 5 minutes worth of video shot. The reloading tools are all built and I started casting balls to load these cartridges up. But overall my week was pretty bad, the Head Gasket blew on my wife's minivan, so I wasted a day and a half diagnosing why it was overheating and then my mechanic gave me the wonderful news that the repair would be $1,300.00. Well the van isn't worth 1300 so I decided I should try to track down another vehicle for her. That wasted another day in Lincoln NE and came home empty handed. Then I tried getting some casting done and the power company decide that would be a good day to have the power out for several hours at a time. Then I resumed the hunt for a vehicle, found a really nice truck today about an hour south of us, went and test drove it, decided to buy it(cash sale, private seller). He was very honest and up front about the truck and warned me that one of the front tires was about to go. He didn't have a spare for it, so I decided to try and baby it home...you guessed it...blew the tire 40 miles from home. So now I get to waste some more time tomorrow trying to get a new tire put on the rim and then go back to where I left the truck and get it. New tire mounted on a Sunday in Washington, Kansas...I might get lucky and talk my tire guy into opening his shop for a short while tomorrow but then again pigs might sprout wings and fly too. I'll just have to wait and see how either one of those turns out.

In any case it's been a bad week overall, with little to no video to show you, so I will just save it for next week.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
22/07/12 07:47 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Sorry about the low resolution quality but these longer videos are very large files in higher resolution and my ISP's speed just takes to long to upload them.

Here's the link to the video for the last two weeks worth of work:

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...-and-reloading/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
22/07/12 02:38 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It's nice to see some good news this weekend!
Thanks for the video Colin.
What a neat project.






Cheers
Tinker


DarylS
(.700 member)
23/07/12 01:07 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Good video, Colin. I load my round ball loads quite similarly, but instead of using hand tools, I revert to the bench tool for the jobs of de-priming, priming, wad seating and crimping.

Well done.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
23/07/12 09:54 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks guys, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos.

Daryl_S,

Unfortunately the 2 Bore brass doesn't fit in any of my presses(or anyone else's commercial press for that matter) and I haven't been motivated enough to build a custom press for one cartridge that I don't even own a rifle in. I made a set of 12 gauge and 20 gauge that work in my RCBS Rockchucker and do almost the same thing. I have a 12 Bore Roundball Double and my wife has a single shot 20 bore rifle that I load/reload brass cartridges for.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
29/07/12 01:42 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

No video update this week.

My Father is ill. He is in the final stages of a terminal illness. He was in the Hospital earlier this week, we are in the process of moving him into our home. We will be caring for him through what is remaining of his days. My wife is in nursing, so hopefully with her experience and the help of our two sons and myself we can provide him with a level of comfort and care that he wouldn't get at a nursing home or care facility.

There will be no video, since I didn't even work in my shop this week.

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
29/07/12 07:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin, along with everyone else on NE that has been following the great vid's you have been sharing with us on the 2 bore build I would offer a prayer for the last days for your father to be peacefull and painfree, and that being surrounded by loved family will be a blessing for him. I hope you get to tell him all those things you always wanted to (and like most of us never found the right time to do so) I spent the remaining days and especially the final hours with my father and it was one of the most staisfying and memorable times I spent with him. May you all be blessed and comforted in the days ahead.

Von Gruff.


Carpetsahib
(.333 member)
31/07/12 11:38 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Quote:

Colin, along with everyone else on NE that has been following the great vid's you have been sharing with us on the 2 bore build I would offer a prayer for the last days for your father to be peacefull and painfree, and that being surrounded by loved family will be a blessing for him. I hope you get to tell him all those things you always wanted to (and like most of us never found the right time to do so) I spent the remaining days and especially the final hours with my father and it was one of the most staisfying and memorable times I spent with him. May you all be blessed and comforted in the days ahead.

Von Gruff.


I too, had that experience with my Mother. Our prayers are with you in your time of need.

tinker
(.416 member)
31/07/12 12:21 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Keep your chin up Colin!

Your family is in the thoughts and prayers of my family.






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
31/07/12 01:50 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers they are much appreciated.

Tinker,

I really enjoyed the phone call tonight.

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/08/12 02:49 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I know quite a few of you have been waiting patiently for the next update...I haven't gotten a lot of time in the last couple weeks but I did get a little bit of work done.

So here's the current update:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-regulation/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
12/08/12 02:14 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Tks Colin - good tretise on rib soldering.

Murphy
(.224 member)
12/08/12 02:26 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank you Colin that was a very good description of the soldering. I have one question for you. This technique of heating the barrel from the inside for the soldering, will that work in "squirrel gun" calibers also, was thinking along the line of .45 and .50calibers?

Murph


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
12/08/12 02:53 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Soldering with irons works with any caliber, the only thing about doing smaller calibers is you will need more rods. The smaller diameter won't retain the heat as well or as long so you will have to swap them out more frequently...that means you have to have enough rods hot to let the first one reheat before you come full cycle and need it again. For 45 or 50 caliber rifles probably 8-10 rods minimum...the smaller you go the more rods you will need.

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
13/08/12 01:02 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Nice!





VonGruff
(.400 member)
13/08/12 07:45 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I certainly hope you dont have to fire 120 shots to get this beastie regulated.

Von Gruff.


tinker
(.416 member)
13/08/12 02:26 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I've heard of the irons being used in re-regulation of existing rifles.
Seems it would do the trick.




Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
13/08/12 10:18 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

VonGruff,

I'm hoping for the least number of shots possible to regulate this rifle...these 2 Bores can be very punishing to shoot. I'm hoping with as much as this one weighs it will tame the recoil quite a bit.

Tinker,
Using irons works very well for re-regulation, it allows you to control the heat, keeping it localized to the muzzles/wedge area and helps prevent everything from separating. Depending on how old the rifle is...if it was put together with Cornish tin, that stuff flows at 275degf. If a guy is careful he can re-regulate an old double that was soldered together with Cornish tin with out effecting the original finish.

Colin


500grains
(.416 member)
17/08/12 12:55 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Can't the rifle be held in a rest for basic regulation, then at the end tested off hand just to make sure it is ok? A fellow could suffer brain damage regulating that beast.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
17/08/12 03:51 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Double rifles need to be free to move, if you anchor them down or try to shoot them off of a fixed rest the regulation will be off. It's all about the position the muzzles are in when the projectile leaves the muzzle.

Started putting the first load development shots through it tonight.

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ad-development/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

lots more shooting to do but it's a start anyways.

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
18/08/12 07:16 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Impressive to say the least. Your rest looks to be a bit low to me for your comfort - but then I am not shooting that much recoil. Do you need to squinch down for any other reason other than to allign the sights on target.

Von Gruff.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
18/08/12 01:03 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It's slightly low, I need to tighten up the strap a little, I didn't account for the weight of the rifle as much as I should have. Leaning into it like I was isn't a bad deal though, I've found that leaning forward into these 2 Bores helps me roll with the recoil better, instead of the recoil twisting my back, it just kind of stands me up straight.

Like I said in the video...one of these days I really should build a real sling rest on a permanent frame. That way I could make it easily adjustable and just drag the whole thing out of the way when I'm not using it.

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
18/08/12 04:50 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Maybe a simple spreader bar between the somewhat flexible uprights may help.

Von Gruff.


500grains
(.416 member)
20/08/12 03:54 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Out of curiosity, what company manufactures barrels in 2 bore caliber?

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
20/08/12 05:17 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Oregon Barrel Works owned by Joe and Suzi Williams or for Black Powder Muzzleloading Only barrel...custom barrel maker Ed Rayl will also make one, Ed doesn't make cartridge barrels.

Colin


500grains
(.416 member)
20/08/12 05:24 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

With 3 places making barrels, I amn guessing there must be more than just a handful of 2 bores out there.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
20/08/12 07:53 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

3 places?? Joe Williams(Oregon Barrel Works) and Ed Rayl are the only two I know of, maybe I didn't write that last post very clearly or do you know of a third maker?

In any case, there aren't really that many shoulder fired 2 Bores around. This is the 5th one I have built and I know of about 5 others made by various gunsmiths, that includes both cartridge and muzzleloaders. Modern reproductions like I make are pretty rare, there are only a couple guys in the whole world making 2 bores...as for originals, I can count the number on one hand that I have been able to verify and research. Even in punt guns and whaling guns 2 bores were/are pretty rare.

Colin


500grains
(.416 member)
20/08/12 08:21 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I guess I misread that.

tinker
(.416 member)
20/08/12 08:37 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Any way you slice it, this 2-bore is one heck of a rifle!






Cheers
Tinker


DarylS
(.700 member)
20/08/12 10:11 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin - thanks for the shooting video. That is a LOT more recoil than I would put up with. Good-on-ya.

500gr. is 18.3 drams, BTW. 12 (4 less than the full load) drams in a 4 bore, broke WW Greener's recoil machine,w hcih recdored up to 200gr. So - 10 drams (273gr.) with a 1,450gr. ball in a 22pound 4 bore, was enough over 200 pounds to break a machine that recorded recoil up to 200pounds without breaking.

Colin is shooting a 3,500gr. ball, more than twice the weight in projectile, with a charge 50% greater and recoil isn't too/too bad. (I noticed he only shot 2 of those 500gr. loads - I wouldn't have shot any - "hey, new owner, time to regulate your rifle"!! Yes- the gun weighs twice as much - go ahead, knock yourself out, have fun with it.
Yowser!


PHMadness
(.275 member)
06/09/12 06:26 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I'm really jonesin' (no pun intended) to see this behemoth all finished and spiffed up.
I sure hope the next project is as cool, your videos have been great.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
06/09/12 11:06 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

My Father's health has now declined to the point were he require round the clock monitoring and assistance, so I haven't been spending any time in the shop. Eventually though I will get back to this project and get it finished up. I have some interesting builds coming up after this one. I'll be converting a 10 bore shotgun into a modern version of a 10 bore paradox rifle, and I have a matched set of 10 bore Purdey style muzzleloading SxS rifles to build. The matched set will have all the classic features, triggerguard grip, English Barlocks, patent breeches, etc. I'm planning to keep going with the video blog since the format seems to be working well and I'm getting more comfortable being and speaking on camera.

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
06/09/12 11:26 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I do hope your Dad's condition either improves or that he stays pain free and comfortable. Family close by can be the best care a man would want.

The comming projects sound great, Colin.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
06/09/12 02:53 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I appreciate the thought but his condition is terminal so comfortable is the best we can do for him.
It's only time that he faces now.

Colin


PHMadness
(.275 member)
07/09/12 11:41 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Your time is definitely best spent with him right now.

And yes I agree your next projects do sound very interesting. I look forward to them in the future.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
11/09/12 11:29 AM
My Father passed away today



My Father, Kenneth Stolzer Sr., passed away at 2:00 am this morning(9-10-2012).

He was diagnosed with a terminal illness in April of this year. He had been doing fairly well with it until July 22 when he ended up back in the hospital. I took him home on July 23 and stayed with him at his place until arrangements could be made to move him into our house. We moved him in with us on the 28th of July and he remained with us until he passed on last night.

This is the Obituary that will run but it in no way does justice to my Father's life.

Kenneth LaVerne Stolzer Sr., 67, died September 10, 2012 at his home.
A funeral service will be at 3:00 p.m., Monday September 24, at Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, Washington. Pastor Judy Hill will officiate.

Ken was born at Kansas City, Missouri on August 15, 1945 to Harvey and Pansy (Boswell) Stolzer. He went to grade school at Eureka and Scruby Schools and was part of the last class to have gone at Scruby. He went to eighth grade and high school at Washington Kansas, graduating in 1963. He attended one semester at Fairbury Junior College 1964.

Ken was united in marriage to Irma Jeanne Doering on November 5th 1963. She preceded him in death on October 12, 1994.

In 1966 Ken moved to Oregon, he graduated from nursing school in Walla Walla, WA in 1973. In 1981, he went back to college to be a correctional health specialist. Ken was one of only 5 nurses in Washington that could write prescriptions. In 1985 he moved to Evanston WY and in 1988 to Lander WY. On June 17, 1995, he married Darlene Hallet and they moved to Douglas WY, returning to Washington, KS in 2001. He continued with nursing until 2006, 35 years providing healthcare, retiring due to respiratory illness. Ken enjoyed Bingo and playing slots at the Casinos.

Preceding Ken in death were his parents; his wife Irma Jeanne; his second wife, Darlene; and sons, Kenneth L. Stolzer, Jr., Patrick L. Stolzer.

Surviving him are sons, Christopher (Mary) Stolzer of Thermopolis, WY, Colin (Bobbie Jo) Stolzer of Washington; daughter, LaRee’ (John) Schaaf of Carpentersville, IL; stepsons, Robert Hiser, Bill (Dana) Hiser of Lander, WY; grandchildren – Dana, Kevin, Christopher Jr., Gilbert, Wolfen, Justin, Jonathan, Sierra; and four step-grandchildren, six great-grandchildren and four step-great-grandchildren.

That short obit in now way reflects the measure of his life...

When we took him home from the hospital the Doctors told us 2-3 weeks but my father being the stubborn kind of man he was hung on a bit longer. The first 4 weeks were very good and we were able to take him out and do a few things on his "bucket list". The fifth week put him permanently in a wheel chair and this last week has been very difficult for my Wife, Sons and I. Friday morning was the last time he was out of bed but he was very disoriented and confused, and then everything went pretty rapidly after that he never got out of bed again this weekend and after Friday afternoon he was pretty much unresponsive. Last night his condition changed fairly rapidly and he passed pretty quickly.

I am really sleep deprived, this has been a very difficult experience. I helped take care of my Grandmother when she passed on and then I helped my Father 2 years ago when my Step-Mother died but this is the first time I have ever been the full-time care giver for a dying family member. My wife is in nursing and works at the nursing home in town so she took all of last week off and stayed home to help me(I don't know what I would have done without her) but even with her help it has been extremely difficult at times.

I really don't know what else I can say other than I am grateful that he isn't suffering anymore and that I am glad that I am self-employed and was able to set my business aside(thanks to my very understanding customers) and spend this time with my father.

I think I might be able to sleep some tonight and maybe tomorrow will look a little brighter.

Colin


TexasJohn
(.300 member)
11/09/12 12:36 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

Colin,
I know I speak for the entire Nitro Express forum when I tell you that I am sorry for your loss. I have some understanding of the difficulties having lost both parents to cancer. Your father sounds like he was a special person. I have very much missed your postings during the time and knew you must be going though a very troubling experience.

Best,
John


450_EXPRESS
(.333 member)
11/09/12 01:26 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

My sincere condolences to you and your family.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
11/09/12 01:41 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

Colin

I am sorry to hear about your father's passing. Condolences.


tinker
(.416 member)
11/09/12 10:40 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

Colin-

It's good you got the time with him as he went away.
Severance is tough, but you know he was in loving hands as he left his life here.
Get your rest.






Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
14/09/12 02:02 AM
Re: My Father passed away today

Thank you all, your thoughts and prayers mean a lot to my family and I.

Colin


VonGruff
(.400 member)
14/09/12 06:29 AM
Re: My Father passed away today

It is a sad fact that death is an inescapable part of life just as birth is and while we mourn the one and celebrate the other, they come to us all. It is how that life is lived between these two momentous events and the love that is freely given and shared that when it is remembered can aleviate the sorrow and bring peace to the grief. Having shared with us some of your memories and hunts with you father ( here and on AR)I pray that these temper your and your families pain.

Von Gruff.


DarylS
(.700 member)
14/09/12 01:07 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

Von Gruff - well said. It is most difficult to put into words, ones feelings even after losing 2 'fathers' myself, my father and step father.

Colin, we are thinking of you and your father - we do care. Please know you are not alone, our thoughts and prayers are with and for you and your family.


ruffcountry
(.300 member)
14/09/12 03:06 PM
Re: My Father passed away today

Prayers for you and yours .

nitro450exp
(.333 member)
15/10/12 07:59 AM
Re: My Father passed away today

Colin

I am fortunate in that my Birth parents are still living.
I buried my Step Mom a little over a year ago.
It was a long and drawn out battle with Cancer.

I am sorry for your loss.

Regards
GS

PS:I have missed your work.


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
28/10/12 08:46 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thank you all for your condolences.

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if I was ever going to get back to this project. Now that things are starting to get back to normal in my life, I am back to work full time now.

Without further ado here's the new video:

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ng-the-barrels/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
26/11/12 10:59 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It took a while to get the regulation done but I'm finally in the home stretch now:

New Video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...he-finish-work/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


DarylS
(.700 member)
27/11/12 03:54 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Bravo - is all I can say - I cannot even imagine me shooting that rifle in an attempt at regulation.

Rolland
(.333 member)
27/11/12 11:14 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

And to think I was whining about my 12 bore

Matabele
(.300 member)
02/12/12 01:52 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Whew! Finally got through all the videos, man that was fascinating Colin, great work and thanks for documenting everything so well!!

One question: when fitting the Jones underlever "lug" to the monoblock bites (pretty sure thats not the correct terminology) why do you simultaneously file-to-fit the bites and the lug? Would it not be easier to file a camming surface/gradient on the monoblock first and then file-to-fit the lug to that?


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
02/12/12 06:17 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Actually it can be done either way. You can file(or Machine) the cam angles into the Lumps first and then match the underlever to it, or you can file(or machine) the angles into the Underlever first and then fit the Lumps to it, or you can do it the way I did and fit both parts at the same time. There's no particular reason to do it one way over the others as long as when you are done you have a full contact mating surface on both parts that pulls(cams) the barrels tight to the watertable/face.

Colin


Matabele
(.300 member)
03/12/12 04:38 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Got ya, thanks for the info!

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
09/12/12 04:35 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Ooohh shiny...

New Video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...wood-finishing/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
23/12/12 04:52 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Getting closer everyday now...

New Video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-checkering/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

I have family arriving from out of state today and they will be staying past the first of the year so that I can take my nephew hunting, so I may not post another video until after the first of the year.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,

Colin


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
17/01/13 02:06 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

It's finally finished.

New Video:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...final-assembly/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

I will get the finished pictures posted sometime later today, hopefully.

I hope you all enjoyed seeing how a double rifle is built from the planning stages on paper to a finished working rifle.

Colin


tinker
(.416 member)
17/01/13 04:48 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Neat project Colin.
It's been fun to tag along.

Do you know if your client plans to hunt with this rifle?





Cheers
Tinker


CowboyCS
(.333 member)
17/01/13 04:55 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

As far as I know he doesn't do much hunting he just really likes Big Bores.

The finished Pictures can be found at this link:
http://www.stolzergunsmithing.com/2boredoublerifle.htm

I hope you all enjoyed the show.

Colin


Claydog
(.375 member)
17/01/13 07:30 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks Colin
Did enjoy the show, good to see what really goes into making something like this. That is one huge fire arm.


DarylS
(.700 member)
17/01/13 11:01 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Colin - nice touch to align the rifling that closely at the muzzles before soldering them together. With such large bores, that 'intent' is evident. Well done.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
17/01/13 11:33 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Good eye Daryl, in all the videos and pictures you are the first person to notice that. Yeah I was pretty happy with being able to get the timing that close.

Colin


Matabele
(.300 member)
17/01/13 04:55 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Fantastic final product Colin, it's been just amazing to me to watch that come together!! Thanks very much for documenting it so well and sharing your knowledge.

PHMadness
(.275 member)
17/01/13 05:58 PM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

I can't tell you how much I enjoyed and appreciated your documenting this build. It was great to see the final product but at the same time sad to see it end.

CowboyCS
(.333 member)
18/01/13 02:24 AM
Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce"

Thanks guys, I'm glad you like the videos.

I hope by doing this it answered a bunch of questions about building double rifles and why they are priced higher than other sporting arms.

Colin



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